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Horny people are so irrational. Poor devs
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Like people have said. Patreon is the Facebook of crowdfunding at the moment. As it is NSFW content is only about a quarter of Patreons revenue and they really dont seem to care that much to lose it since theres not much competition at the moment. If there was any serious contenders right now Im sure Patreon would lighten up since no business in their right mind would risk a quarter of their revenue. Now seems like a good time for anyone given the climate over a lot of content to start their own website.
Sin was/is better off right now than DS. His page and game complies to their TOS. He cant ( of course it might not matter for patreon) be held accountable for a fan made patch that he has no connection to. On top of all this he too has another game set up once DoD comes to an end. Like you said, unless DoD gets banned I wouldnt be too worried.
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In my opinion Sin and other clearly incest devs are in the same position Dots was. If he has another project prepared that's great. But I wouldn't be optimistic about DoD and other games. People were saying same things about BB cuz it took some time for Patreon to act. Preparing another, high quality games seems to be the best idea for now.
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Help me understand.
How is the use of real people, i.e. actors, creating an on screen, visual representation of something from a book, more tame than CGI representations of something a game developer imagined and placed in a game? I agree 100% that readers of George R.R. Martin's works do not pick up his lengthy novels just to read about incest, rape, etc. but, I can guarantee there are people that watched the HBO series for exactly that reason. While I also agree the Martin's use of those baser human actions are used to fuel the subplots and character development, the same could be said for some of the better game developments we have here.
I'm not certain I entirely agree with your statement, but that is my opinion I guess.
But again DS did almost nothing to prepare for it. DMD was dumb for not changing the title and then explaining how to restore the banned content on patreon. Thats not very subtle at all.
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Without anymore incest theme story it will be not success like BB and DS will lose patreons for this mistake, the new "best idea it will be a worse one" only because he decide to drop a good project and dissapoint patreons.
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Touche
What you wrote explains all the strange and nervous reactions.
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Special cases (such as: working for competion) are special cases. Patreon is not that special case (they dont employ creators, they only provide platform for payment processing).
Dude, working for "competion" is special case.
You are confusing Patreon for your job. Patreon doesnt "employ" creators. Patreon doesnt pay creators any money. Its crowd funding payment site. They CAN NOT forbid someone to pack their stuff and go away.
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@Nem98 , doesn't matter if it's more tame or not. What matters is the scope. Sure, there's probably a moron out there who watches GoT just to jack off on some rape scene, but that's not what the show is about, that's not why 99.9% of its viewers watch it.
Let me put it this way, remove the incest, the gore, the sex from GoT and it will still be an extremely quality product. It will remove from its impact, from the character buildup, but it will maintain its core.
Do you think that can be said about the games here? No need to answer btw, just look at the comments above.
Let me put it this way, remove the incest, the gore, the sex from GoT and it will still be an extremely quality product. It will remove from its impact, from the character buildup, but it will maintain its core.
Do you think that can be said about the games here? No need to answer btw, just look at the comments above.
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You need to come with epic story to replace incest and with this you ar not 100% sure if you going to be popular PORN GAME, example GoT it's not a porn series it's a difference.
In Porn industry if you go with some unsualy fetish you have attention of public, it's doesn't work if you create a normal story porn no one really it's in interesting in that because all on that you can do in reality.
Example if you ar going with incest something desire and you can't make in reality, it's just a fantasy that people like to read story about this. That's why DMD, BB, DOD they got so popular game.
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You're opinions aren't fact. The most popular porn games are not even on Patreon. You like fetish stuff like DMD and BB and yes they were getting a decent amount of money a month. LOP probably gets more than both of them combined but does not use those sort of fetishes, the same with Vdate games. just because they are popular on here doesn't mean they are the biggest and best adult games.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The discussion was about some incest developers and players trying to use ASoIaF and GoT as an excuse for their games, which is stupid.
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I thought you're talking about the new game DS want to make. But agreed with you in that discussion.
There are plenty of alternatives to Patreon! I don't know why you keep insisting that there isn't. And setting up his own site could take less than a day to do using CCBill as payment processor. Rent Webspace, Throw Wordpress and a Forum software on it and set up CCBill to make subscription access. Hell if he needs a consultant about how to do this he can easily go to his nearest stripclub and ask any of the dancers how to set up a fast and easy porn site!
As for getting around Patreon's rules...I know of two games (both incest based) that had their page taken down for review and then made a few changes to have them restored.
MotH (a Unity Game as well!) has simply changed the relationships of the characters to be landlord and roomates in the game and you can restore their Family ties by downloading and placing a Mappings.xml file (found here on THIS F95 site.) and placing it in the Root folder of the game.
As it stands Patreon issue aside, DS himself has to decide if he really wants to keep developing this game to completion.
I'm sure he had a lot more story planned to keep the money flowing until his next game is ready for a release. And without that Patreon Money to pay the bills may not be able to dedicate the time needed to keep up with the Monthly release schedule. And unless he is willing to do what MotH did (which will also lose some subs due to the fact he can't tell them to come here to get the Incest Patch on Patreon) he is going to lose that Patreon money anyway.
I think he is far enough along and made a nice bundle of money that he should just finish the game and story to make it a completed work. Maybe that takes 3 or 4 months to complete the dangling plot lines and character arcs but once he has sewed it all up he should just find a site (or make his own) that will let him sell the game as completed work for $40. If he wants he could build a Patching system and update the game when the mood to add content strikes him and make that Patch a Subscription service just as all the Online games do when they add content.
So it comes down to...
- Does he want to do the work needed to make the story Patreon safe but easily can be modded back to the Original Incest
- Put in the effort to make his own site with CCBill.
- Complete the game, call it a business success and sell it as a completed work.
- Abandon it and move on to Glamour and hope it sells as well as this one did.
If it isn't then what we will get is #4.
Maybe we should simply stop whining.
DS did a good job in the last months and gave us a great game.
Now some assholes decided to make it all miserable.
But instead of simply shutting down he decided to give his last version (for the moment) away FREE!
He doesn't need to do that!
So we should stop complaining, get what is possible for now and hope for a better future instead of babble "why doesn' t he do this or that or whatever..." again and again.
Don't annoy him and wish him the best.
Just my 2 cents.
Greetings after a real boring day in hospital,
Heinz
DS did a good job in the last months and gave us a great game.
Now some assholes decided to make it all miserable.
But instead of simply shutting down he decided to give his last version (for the moment) away FREE!
He doesn't need to do that!
So we should stop complaining, get what is possible for now and hope for a better future instead of babble "why doesn' t he do this or that or whatever..." again and again.
Don't annoy him and wish him the best.
Just my 2 cents.
Greetings after a real boring day in hospital,
Heinz
There are no real alternatives to Patreon. Sure, some people could try to make their own. But bear in mind it took over $100 million of investing for Patreon to get this far. This new site would also have to find a way to accept payments that was safe an anonymous. I don't mind donating for kinky stuff on Patreon, because there a whole lot more non-kinky stuff here, so I shouldn't need to ever explain Patreon showing up on my credit card or paypal statement. But if an adult site, or adult payment service does, that might get a little more embarrassing.
Meanwhile, Patreon is still the number one site for developers to promote their games. DS understandably doesn't want to risk a ban from there on a lot of unknowns related to hosting BB someplace else. If he can make Glamour even partly as successful on Patreon as BB was, I'm sure he'll take that as a win and not push his luck. I don't think he'll make as money with it as he did with BB before. But he'll probably make more money than he would with BB on some other site.
Kinks like incest have been in a gray area for some time. You'll find videos online hosted by porn sites, but most of the time they won't let you search by the word "incest". At least that's been my experience. At the same time, incest is fairly popular. On sites I'm at where women record naughty scripts to record, the incest ones tend to be far more popular. It's the fact that it is taboo that makes it more popular for many, which is also what makes Patreon crack down on it. But Patreon is cracking down on it because their investors want them to do it, and their payment processers do as well. It's not about all adult content. It's specifically about incest, rape, etc.
I get that we all want DS to continue with BB in some way, even if it's just for a few more updates to give us closure. We want to see him tell Patreon to stop fucking with his family. Meanwhile, Patreon is telling him to either become friends with him, or he'll get sent to military camp. We want the option where Patreon gets killed or kidnapped, but that's not likely to happen. So the smart move for DS for now is to focus on Glamour and staying on Patreon. Maybe this exodus of kinky content from Patreon does prompt the beginning of a Patreon alternative, but like DS, we'll have to wait and see. Right now, just like he doesn't really have an alternative to waiting, neither do we. But we can all be thankful that DS is going to issue the next update at least, and, despite how we may have disagreed with how the game went, still thank him for the fun we had with it, and the many, many debates it sparked here.
Meanwhile, Patreon is still the number one site for developers to promote their games. DS understandably doesn't want to risk a ban from there on a lot of unknowns related to hosting BB someplace else. If he can make Glamour even partly as successful on Patreon as BB was, I'm sure he'll take that as a win and not push his luck. I don't think he'll make as money with it as he did with BB before. But he'll probably make more money than he would with BB on some other site.
Kinks like incest have been in a gray area for some time. You'll find videos online hosted by porn sites, but most of the time they won't let you search by the word "incest". At least that's been my experience. At the same time, incest is fairly popular. On sites I'm at where women record naughty scripts to record, the incest ones tend to be far more popular. It's the fact that it is taboo that makes it more popular for many, which is also what makes Patreon crack down on it. But Patreon is cracking down on it because their investors want them to do it, and their payment processers do as well. It's not about all adult content. It's specifically about incest, rape, etc.
I get that we all want DS to continue with BB in some way, even if it's just for a few more updates to give us closure. We want to see him tell Patreon to stop fucking with his family. Meanwhile, Patreon is telling him to either become friends with him, or he'll get sent to military camp. We want the option where Patreon gets killed or kidnapped, but that's not likely to happen. So the smart move for DS for now is to focus on Glamour and staying on Patreon. Maybe this exodus of kinky content from Patreon does prompt the beginning of a Patreon alternative, but like DS, we'll have to wait and see. Right now, just like he doesn't really have an alternative to waiting, neither do we. But we can all be thankful that DS is going to issue the next update at least, and, despite how we may have disagreed with how the game went, still thank him for the fun we had with it, and the many, many debates it sparked here.
1. Patreon flat-out told him they wanted his game gone. Modding it wouldn't work.
2. DS's belief is that trying to host BB anywhere while still trying to have a Patreon for Glamour will likely lead to him being banned from Patreon. I suspect he's right.
3. What's he going to sell the game for? The quirk of the patreon system is that people will pay far more to support a game than buy it outright. While people will pay $40/month or more in some cases for the promise of more incest content, those same people may balk at $30 for a stand-alone game.
4. DS always wanted to move on to Glamour in the first place. It's the safer alternative. Will it make as much money? Probably not. But I don't think BB being moved to another site will make as much money as it once did, either.