Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[DrDerpington]

No, they absolutely can.
For starters they can claim your 2nd job infringes with your main job and fire you for that. Or say you drug the company name through the mud. And a dozen other things.
Secondly, some jobs have a special provision that you would work for them only. Do you think that people working in sensitive jobs like with important court cases, in industrial research, in important pharmaceutical research, in military facilities etc can just get another job and be paid by others?

Special cases (such as: working for competion) are special cases. Patreon is not that special case (they dont employ creators, they only provide platform for payment processing).

Exactly, I have clauses in my contract preventing me to work for any competition companies. If I leave for a non-competition company, they take all my notes and creations during my contract with them as intellectual property. If I leave for competition, I have to pay them a big indemnity... as I receive more every month just that anything like this doesn't happen. It depends on your contract.

I would be surprised if Patreon doesn't have any kind of clauses against you taking your project from them and going for competition if they don't allow it. (which doesn't seem to be the problem here as Patreon want DS to stop BB)

Dude, working for "competion" is special case.
You are confusing Patreon for your job. Patreon doesnt "employ" creators. Patreon doesnt pay creators any money. Its crowd funding payment site. They CAN NOT forbid someone to pack their stuff and go away.

 

[stoper]

@Nem98 , doesn't matter if it's more tame or not. What matters is the scope. Sure, there's probably a moron out there who watches GoT just to jack off on some rape scene, but that's not what the show is about, that's not why 99.9% of its viewers watch it.
Let me put it this way, remove the incest, the gore, the sex from GoT and it will still be an extremely quality product. It will remove from its impact, from the character buildup, but it will maintain its core.
Do you think that can be said about the games here? No need to answer btw, just look at the comments above.

 

[Goldy]

@Nem98 , doesn't matter if it's more tame or not. What matters is the scope. Sure, there's probably a moron out there who watches GoT just to jack off on some rape scene, but that's not what the show is about, that's not why 99.9% of its viewers watch it.
Let me put it this way, remove the incest, the gore, the sex from GoT and it will still be an extremely quality product. It will remove from its impact, from the character buildup, but it will maintain its core.
Do you think that can be said about the games here? No need to answer btw, just look at the comments above.

You need to come with epic story to replace incest and with this you ar not 100% sure if you going to be popular PORN GAME, example GoT it's not a porn series it's a difference.
In Porn industry if you go with some unsualy fetish you have attention of public, it's doesn't work if you create a normal story porn no one really it's in interesting in that because all on that you can do in reality.
Example if you ar going with incest something desire and you can't make in reality, it's just a fantasy that people like to read story about this. That's why DMD, BB, DOD they got so popular game.

 

[SolarEclipsed]

You need to come with epic story to replace incest and with this you ar not 100% sure if you going to be popular PORN GAME, example GoT it's not a porn series it's a difference.
In Porn industry if you go with some unsualy fetish you have attention of public, it's doesn't work if you create a normal story porn no one really it's in interesting in that because all on that you can do in reality.
Example if you ar going with incest something desire and you can't make in reality, it's just a fantasy that people like to read story about this. That's why DMD, BB, DOD they got so popular game.

You're opinions aren't fact. The most popular porn games are not even on Patreon. You like fetish stuff like DMD and BB and yes they were getting a decent amount of money a month. LOP probably gets more than both of them combined but does not use those sort of fetishes, the same with Vdate games. just because they are popular on here doesn't mean they are the biggest and best adult games.

 

[stoper]

You need to come with epic story to replace incest and with this you ar not 100% sure if you going to be popular PORN GAME, example GoT it's not a porn series it's a difference.
In Porn industry if you go with some unsualy fetish you have attention of public, it's doesn't work if you create a normal story porn no one really it's in interesting in that because all on that you can do in reality.
Example if you ar going with incest something desire and you can't make in reality, it's just a fantasy that people like to read story about this. That's why DMD, BB, DOD they got so popular game.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The discussion was about some incest developers and players trying to use ASoIaF and GoT as an excuse for their games, which is stupid.

 

[Goldy]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The discussion was about some incest developers and players trying to use ASoIaF and GoT as an excuse for their games, which is stupid.

I thought you're talking about the new game DS want to make. But agreed with you in that discussion.

 

[Asphyx]

Those who attack DS for not taking any actions should remember that he at least was developing Glamour for quite some time. Thanks to that he's not in such a deep shit as Dots. He seems to know he has no alternatives than Patreon and he's at least prepared to keep his page opened with some quality game. Look at Dots - he has to create new game from scratch, it has to have amazing quality to gain people's attention, he wants to keep DMD alive outside of Patreon which will make him develop 2 games at the same time which means at least 2 months for each update. That really unhealthy for both games and sooner or later something will be ditched or cutted off. Not to say about all other devs like Sin who really think they won't be banned at some point. Adapt or die is Patreon's policy and devs should remember that.

There are plenty of alternatives to Patreon! I don't know why you keep insisting that there isn't. And setting up his own site could take less than a day to do using CCBill as payment processor. Rent Webspace, Throw Wordpress and a Forum software on it and set up CCBill to make subscription access. Hell if he needs a consultant about how to do this he can easily go to his nearest stripclub and ask any of the dancers how to set up a fast and easy porn site!

As for getting around Patreon's rules...I know of two games (both incest based) that had their page taken down for review and then made a few changes to have them restored.
MotH (a Unity Game as well!) has simply changed the relationships of the characters to be landlord and roomates in the game and you can restore their Family ties by downloading and placing a Mappings.xml file (found here on THIS F95 site.) and placing it in the Root folder of the game.

As it stands Patreon issue aside, DS himself has to decide if he really wants to keep developing this game to completion.
I'm sure he had a lot more story planned to keep the money flowing until his next game is ready for a release. And without that Patreon Money to pay the bills may not be able to dedicate the time needed to keep up with the Monthly release schedule. And unless he is willing to do what MotH did (which will also lose some subs due to the fact he can't tell them to come here to get the Incest Patch on Patreon) he is going to lose that Patreon money anyway.

I think he is far enough along and made a nice bundle of money that he should just finish the game and story to make it a completed work. Maybe that takes 3 or 4 months to complete the dangling plot lines and character arcs but once he has sewed it all up he should just find a site (or make his own) that will let him sell the game as completed work for $40. If he wants he could build a Patching system and update the game when the mood to add content strikes him and make that Patch a Subscription service just as all the Online games do when they add content.

So it comes down to...

1. Does he want to do the work needed to make the story Patreon safe but easily can be modded back to the Original Incest
2. Put in the effort to make his own site with CCBill.
3. Complete the game, call it a business success and sell it as a completed work.
4. Abandon it and move on to Glamour and hope it sells as well as this one did.

1-3 may seem like a lot of work but then again keeping that Money flowing should be worth the effort.
If it isn't then what we will get is #4.

 

[Heinz Becker]

Maybe we should simply stop whining.
DS did a good job in the last months and gave us a great game.
Now some assholes decided to make it all miserable.
But instead of simply shutting down he decided to give his last version (for the moment) away FREE!
He doesn't need to do that!
So we should stop complaining, get what is possible for now and hope for a better future instead of babble "why doesn' t he do this or that or whatever..." again and again.
Don't annoy him and wish him the best.

Just my 2 cents.

Greetings after a real boring day in hospital,
Heinz

 

[Corambis]

There are no real alternatives to Patreon. Sure, some people could try to make their own. But bear in mind it took over $100 million of investing for Patreon to get this far. This new site would also have to find a way to accept payments that was safe an anonymous. I don't mind donating for kinky stuff on Patreon, because there a whole lot more non-kinky stuff here, so I shouldn't need to ever explain Patreon showing up on my credit card or paypal statement. But if an adult site, or adult payment service does, that might get a little more embarrassing.

Meanwhile, Patreon is still the number one site for developers to promote their games. DS understandably doesn't want to risk a ban from there on a lot of unknowns related to hosting BB someplace else. If he can make Glamour even partly as successful on Patreon as BB was, I'm sure he'll take that as a win and not push his luck. I don't think he'll make as money with it as he did with BB before. But he'll probably make more money than he would with BB on some other site.

Kinks like incest have been in a gray area for some time. You'll find videos online hosted by porn sites, but most of the time they won't let you search by the word "incest". At least that's been my experience. At the same time, incest is fairly popular. On sites I'm at where women record naughty scripts to record, the incest ones tend to be far more popular. It's the fact that it is taboo that makes it more popular for many, which is also what makes Patreon crack down on it. But Patreon is cracking down on it because their investors want them to do it, and their payment processers do as well. It's not about all adult content. It's specifically about incest, rape, etc.

I get that we all want DS to continue with BB in some way, even if it's just for a few more updates to give us closure. We want to see him tell Patreon to stop fucking with his family. Meanwhile, Patreon is telling him to either become friends with him, or he'll get sent to military camp. We want the option where Patreon gets killed or kidnapped, but that's not likely to happen. So the smart move for DS for now is to focus on Glamour and staying on Patreon. Maybe this exodus of kinky content from Patreon does prompt the beginning of a Patreon alternative, but like DS, we'll have to wait and see. Right now, just like he doesn't really have an alternative to waiting, neither do we. But we can all be thankful that DS is going to issue the next update at least, and, despite how we may have disagreed with how the game went, still thank him for the fun we had with it, and the many, many debates it sparked here.

 

[Corambis]

There are plenty of alternatives to Patreon! I don't know why you keep insisting that there isn't. And setting up his own site could take less than a day to do using CCBill as payment processor. Rent Webspace, Throw Wordpress and a Forum software on it and set up CCBill to make subscription access. Hell if he needs a consultant about how to do this he can easily go to his nearest stripclub and ask any of the dancers how to set up a fast and easy porn site!

As for getting around Patreon's rules...I know of two games (both incest based) that had their page taken down for review and then made a few changes to have them restored.
MotH (a Unity Game as well!) has simply changed the relationships of the characters to be landlord and roomates in the game and you can restore their Family ties by downloading and placing a Mappings.xml file (found here on THIS F95 site.) and placing it in the Root folder of the game.

As it stands Patreon issue aside, DS himself has to decide if he really wants to keep developing this game to completion.
I'm sure he had a lot more story planned to keep the money flowing until his next game is ready for a release. And without that Patreon Money to pay the bills may not be able to dedicate the time needed to keep up with the Monthly release schedule. And unless he is willing to do what MotH did (which will also lose some subs due to the fact he can't tell them to come here to get the Incest Patch on Patreon) he is going to lose that Patreon money anyway.

I think he is far enough along and made a nice bundle of money that he should just finish the game and story to make it a completed work. Maybe that takes 3 or 4 months to complete the dangling plot lines and character arcs but once he has sewed it all up he should just find a site (or make his own) that will let him sell the game as completed work for $40. If he wants he could build a Patching system and update the game when the mood to add content strikes him and make that Patch a Subscription service just as all the Online games do when they add content.

So it comes down to...

1. Does he want to do the work needed to make the story Patreon safe but easily can be modded back to the Original Incest
2. Put in the effort to make his own site with CCBill.
3. Complete the game, call it a business success and sell it as a completed work.
4. Abandon it and move on to Glamour and hope it sells as well as this one did.

1-3 may seem like a lot of work but then again keeping that Money flowing should be worth the effort.
If it isn't then what we will get is #4.

1. Patreon flat-out told him they wanted his game gone. Modding it wouldn't work.
2. DS's belief is that trying to host BB anywhere while still trying to have a Patreon for Glamour will likely lead to him being banned from Patreon. I suspect he's right.
3. What's he going to sell the game for? The quirk of the patreon system is that people will pay far more to support a game than buy it outright. While people will pay $40/month or more in some cases for the promise of more incest content, those same people may balk at $30 for a stand-alone game.
4. DS always wanted to move on to Glamour in the first place. It's the safer alternative. Will it make as much money? Probably not. But I don't think BB being moved to another site will make as much money as it once did, either.

 

[nad destroyer]

Well this really frikin sucks. Dammit. Anyway couldn't BB creator create his own blog website or rent the server? and then create a tipjar that connects to his blog to keep the game going? Or is that not viable?

 

[L0thar]

Maybe we should simply stop whining.
Greetings after a real boring day in hospital,
Heinz

Nice to hear the voice of reason in this noise.
There is definitely too much barren chatter here
Let us wait calmly until something clarifies, and even if it's not complaining, it certainly will not help.

I wish you good health

 

[Ignazzio]

But again DS did almost nothing to prepare for it. DMD was dumb for not changing the title and then explaining how to restore the banned content on patreon. Thats not very subtle at all.

Maybe. I doubt it's so simple.we can only wait for further actions of Patreon.

Without anymore incest theme story it will be not success like BB and DS will lose patreons for this mistake, the new "best idea it will be a worse one" only because he decide to drop a good project and dissapoint patreons.

Sure they might be less popular. But less popular game is better than non-existing game.

There are plenty of alternatives to Patreon! I don't know why you keep insisting that there isn't. And setting up his own site could take less than a day to do using CCBill as payment processor. Rent Webspace, Throw Wordpress and a Forum software on it and set up CCBill to make subscription access. Hell if he needs a consultant about how to do this he can easily go to his nearest stripclub and ask any of the dancers how to set up a fast and easy porn site!

As for getting around Patreon's rules...I know of two games (both incest based) that had their page taken down for review and then made a few changes to have them restored.
MotH (a Unity Game as well!) has simply changed the relationships of the characters to be landlord and roomates in the game and you can restore their Family ties by downloading and placing a Mappings.xml file (found here on THIS F95 site.) and placing it in the Root folder of the game.

As it stands Patreon issue aside, DS himself has to decide if he really wants to keep developing this game to completion.
I'm sure he had a lot more story planned to keep the money flowing until his next game is ready for a release. And without that Patreon Money to pay the bills may not be able to dedicate the time needed to keep up with the Monthly release schedule. And unless he is willing to do what MotH did (which will also lose some subs due to the fact he can't tell them to come here to get the Incest Patch on Patreon) he is going to lose that Patreon money anyway.

I think he is far enough along and made a nice bundle of money that he should just finish the game and story to make it a completed work. Maybe that takes 3 or 4 months to complete the dangling plot lines and character arcs but once he has sewed it all up he should just find a site (or make his own) that will let him sell the game as completed work for $40. If he wants he could build a Patching system and update the game when the mood to add content strikes him and make that Patch a Subscription service just as all the Online games do when they add content.

So it comes down to...

1. Does he want to do the work needed to make the story Patreon safe but easily can be modded back to the Original Incest
2. Put in the effort to make his own site with CCBill.
3. Complete the game, call it a business success and sell it as a completed work.
4. Abandon it and move on to Glamour and hope it sells as well as this one did.

1-3 may seem like a lot of work but then again keeping that Money flowing should be worth the effort.
If it isn't then what we will get is #4.

He can't mod BB. Patreon strictly forbidden anything related to BB on their site. He could remove whole content and leave just title and it wouldn't be allowed as well. They want to remove BB. Paypal has alternatives but paypal has no working alternative. You really believe huge number of people will even find his site not to say use CCBill? Paypal is as strong as Google and people won't use different sites connected to their bank accounts without a great reason. And porn isn't one for most. He could try such a thing ofc but if it doesn't work he'll work everything. In case of Glamour which was being made for quite some time he can easily expect to remain on a market. Even if he will lose half of his patrons he will still be bigger than most devs.

 

[Seneschall]

I hope @DarkSilver will implement BB Characters into Glamour for some events.
Maybe both games are located in the same city, maybe even same street. So for example.
Alice might go to the same University as MC, or Glamour MC is the reason why Alice lost her Panties in the Club. Or MC worked with Kate...
I think this might be the easiest way to keep BB „alive“ and it’s a nice touch for the old Suppoters and players.

 

[sept0342]

I hope @DarkSilver will implement BB Characters into Glamour for some events.
Maybe both games are located in the same city, maybe even same street. So for example.
Alice might go to the same University as MC, or Glamour MC is the reason why Alice lost her Panties in the Club. Or MC worked with Kate...
I think this might be the easiest way to keep BB „alive“ and it’s a nice touch for the old Suppoters and players.

Yes, s/he has already said that it is very likely that some characters will appear in Glamour (Lisa, Ann and/or Alice)

 

[Shiva0067]

DS has already said that the new Glamour game is set in the same city/universe as BB (with a no incest change). So YES the characters from BB will appear (at some point). And from hints MC of Glamour will have College classes with Lisa so will be maybe a year or 2 in BBs future.

Just a thought.

 

[Ignazzio]

Wonder if Lisa will remain virgin in Glamour. If not it was probably Alex's fault:O

 

[Shiva0067]

Other news from Discord includes the insane rumor I started (and DS has NOT shot down) that Kira may run for Mayor and there is a chance we will see her NAKED Campaign. Also, Lisa got an A+ in math with help from Max.

 

[Ignazzio]

But why Max even bothered to help her?

 

[Asphyx]

1. Patreon flat-out told him they wanted his game gone. Modding it wouldn't work.
2. DS's belief is that trying to host BB anywhere while still trying to have a Patreon for Glamour will likely lead to him being banned from Patreon. I suspect he's right.
3. What's he going to sell the game for? The quirk of the patreon system is that people will pay far more to support a game than buy it outright. While people will pay $40/month or more in some cases for the promise of more incest content, those same people may balk at $30 for a stand-alone game.
4. DS always wanted to move on to Glamour in the first place. It's the safer alternative. Will it make as much money? Probably not. But I don't think BB being moved to another site will make as much money as it once did, either.

Maybe that has more to do with the scummy blackmail approach than anything to do with Incest.
And since none of us but DS have seen these conversations he has had with them it is very possible he is simply misreading what they are saying to him...I can't say.

Maybe. I doubt it's so simple.we can only wait for further actions of Patreon.

Sure they might be less popular. But less popular game is better than non-existing game.

He can't mod BB. Patreon strictly forbidden anything related to BB on their site. He could remove whole content and leave just title and it wouldn't be allowed as well. They want to remove BB. Paypal has alternatives but paypal has no working alternative. You really believe huge number of people will even find his site not to say use CCBill? Paypal is as strong as Google and people won't use different sites connected to their bank accounts without a great reason. And porn isn't one for most. He could try such a thing ofc but if it doesn't work he'll work everything. In case of Glamour which was being made for quite some time he can easily expect to remain on a market. Even if he will lose half of his patrons he will still be bigger than most devs.

Funny how MotH had it's page taken down and game reviewed yet he managed to get it all restored by making a mod to his game!

Me personally I don't care if it continues or not....
But to suggest that it isn't fixable/moddable to meet their policy is just lazy or ignorant.
He could easily mod it and rename it and reupload under a new name if he really wanted to continue it.
My suspicion is he really wants to dump it because he is tired of it and this is just a decent justification for moving on to Glamour. And some here seem to be fine if he does that so why not just do that and end this game?

MONEY! That is why!

If what you and Corambis say is true then there is no more money to be made on Patreon.
That means either going on his own and creating his own pay site (Easy to do ask any stripper they all have one!) or simply make Glamour and hope Patreon doesn't think that too is too creepy for them to have on their system.

Meanwhile I will still play the game that got closed down on Patreon, Modded by the developer and restored to all it's Patreon glory.