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These are difficult times for @DarkSilver . Let's studying the public response :
I had a great time with this game. What I liked best was probably the characters and the beauty of the renders. Now, bile, bitterness and prejudice are somewhat inappropriate, in my opinion. It's time to say thank to @DarkSilver and to look elsewhere. There are so many quality artists coming out.
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I had a great time with this game. What I liked best was probably the characters and the beauty of the renders. Now, bile, bitterness and prejudice are somewhat inappropriate, in my opinion. It's time to say thank to @DarkSilver and to look elsewhere. There are so many quality artists coming out.
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What kind of promise did DS make, and where did DS make that promise?
As far as I can see, the so-called "transaction" that you'd like to believe is:
1. Patron donated monthly (every 1st day of the month)
2. DS provided update of the game monthly (every 2nd day of the month)
And he did provide update of BB up to 0.13 when Patreon forced him to take BB down from the website. So for every single month that you pledged to him, he provided an update of the game. Where exactly is the problem? Is there ever a month that you pledged to him where he did not provide a game update? Absolutely no.
There is no promise/contract/agreement that DS will provide full completed game in return of your monthly patronage that may or may not continue/stop.
I'll put it this way. You have received from him BB game from 0.1 to 0.13. How many months are you a patron of his? Did you pledge for 12 months to support him for each update? If not, you're getting more updates than the month that you pledge. And you're complaining?
It's flabbergasting to see how pissy people are, despite the fact that it is DS who actually lost his income. People who are patrons will save money. People who are not patrons don't have any monetary investment to begin with either. Once again, people who are angry simply don't understand what Patreon is and have nobody but themselves to blame.
Glamour was a project he had started before BB and he abandoned in 2016 to start BB. Now he relaunches it from the start. ~> He is someone that likes to return to old things he left ~> increases probability that he will return to BB. After all, he returned to Glamour.
>> "we like to be males in games, we can't put ourselves in the situation of courting and fucking a guy. "
I don't put myself in the situation, I am not that much lost in the story. I watch boobs and follow character development. I can do that with either male or female character.
As a note, I also can't put myself in the situation of doing any of the stupid crap that goes on in adult games including but not limited placing cameras in my house to earn money from showing off my family to strangers to lust at. And yet, I had no problem with this game.
>> "Even going for chicks while playing as one makes our skin crawl"
No. It doesn't.
>> "we are conforming to a character that we can't and never will relate to."
I can never relate to most of the characters in games, from adult games to RPGs. Can you relate to an elf that shoots fireballs? And yet I do play such games.
>> "But let's be honest, how large a portion of the market is female? "
A tiny percentage. And yet DS has lost just 20% of his patrons at the time, a week after the announcement that BB is dead.
Going by the outrage about female MC in this thread, I would have expected him to have lost 3/4 of his patrons by now. And yet, most endured and remained.
In the end, he will bleed far more patrons out of inactivity and the "early content - situation building - no sex" phase of the game that would last a few months. THAT will hit the game, not the Female character.
I will keep my level of support to DS, but I doubt I'll pick up Glamour till it is like 500-700 MB to have some decent content.
I really hope he stays in Patreon too as I feel much safer paying there than in a recently-made site with not that much security where my email can be stolen etc.
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Well that`s true, on the other hand you can`t get the game without pledging(legally, not pirating). So it`s kinda buying the game itself, it`s not all black and white to be fair... Supporting the dev would be the donation system for a game that he gives out for free, not this whole patreon thing. This pledges are more like encouraging them to actually do/finish something you like and it`s in the early phases of development. So after you are pledged for about 1-2 years, you kinda want a finished product for all that money, otherwise you can even look at it as some sort of scam.
And this is more on a general level, not just DS/BB:
I`m no dev, I don`t really know what goes on in making a game, but: Why would someone need employees, as long as they take 1 month for an update which contains... let`s say 150 images. You, as a creator, allready know the story and how you want to put it, story wise it would not take that much time to write the update. There are not even that many "lines" to write. Do you really need almost a month for coding and rendering 150 images? Maybe if you`re alone...
When you add employees I would expect updates more often, or the monthy updates to be actually big, not the same as before. I really do feel like most creators are just looking to take as much money for the longest time possible, not actually doing/finishing something worthy, that him and his fans would be fond of.
Hello i started to play this game since 0.10 version,i have a request for those who can help with all mod images working . I downloaded the images but for example (shopping adventure mod) i cant see the images only text all screens are grey ,tried to reinstall but same problem ,do i need some programs to see in game images from mods .
Ps. I have chancer mod and extracted the images from there direct on images folder from the game.
Sorry for my bad english.
Ps. I have chancer mod and extracted the images from there direct on images folder from the game.
Sorry for my bad english.
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gj, but I don't really care. If I come in a thread and find that there are 20 new pages of content and can't find any relevant news in the last 2, I prefer to ask and not get an answer, than lose my time and search around for info about a porn game that I was not even pledging. I'm sorry that this bothers you, but I value my time and nobody is forced to respond to my questions.
plenty of fundraisers give gifts to people that donate money, so getting something in return for donating doesn't make it a subscription. the big difference between the two is an obligation to provide something in return for the money. with a donation their no obligation to deliver anything, with a subscription their is a clear thing you are obtaining. in the end it has to do with advertising, in that if something is promised in return for a given amount then it is a subscription. so the reward tiers might make it into a subscription based on wording. before patreon stepped in they did give away the game for free, just not the most recent version. this makes it hard to argue that it is a subscription and thus nothing of tangible value was promised, though adhering to patreon they made it easier to argue that it is a subscription, and thus meant that they were selling porn. by selling porn there are certain obligations that need to be met by law in different states (let alone different countries), and makes it easy to claim that the ban was needed. so doing something that seemed mundane helped to propagate the censorship. of course no sort of age gate on pornographic material is a problem as well, though one that isn't really enforced anymore. there were ways patreon could have handled the situation to ensure things didn't have issues, but they didn't handle it well. if you know what is going on then it wouldn't be surprising to see more adult games getting banned in the future.Well that`s true, on the other hand you can`t get the game without pledging(legally, not pirating). So it`s kinda buying the game itself, it`s not all black and white to be fair... Supporting the dev would be the donation system for a game that he gives out for free, not this whole patreon thing. This pledges are more like encouraging them to actually do/finish something you like and it`s in the early phases of development. So after you are pledged for about 1-2 years, you kinda want a finished product for all that money, otherwise you can even look at it as some sort of scam.
And this is more on a general level, not just DS/BB:
I`m no dev, I don`t really know what goes on in making a game, but: Why would someone need employees, as long as they take 1 month for an update which contains... let`s say 150 images. You, as a creator, allready know the story and how you want to put it, story wise it would not take that much time to write the update. There are not even that many "lines" to write. Do you really need almost a month for coding and rendering 150 images? Maybe if you`re alone...
When you add employees I would expect updates more often, or the monthy updates to be actually big, not the same as before. I really do feel like most creators are just looking to take as much money for the longest time possible, not actually doing/finishing something worthy, that him and his fans would be fond of.
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It was released h ere because he found out a week ago and the game he said was mostly done already. There is alternatives, but not one thats going to bring him enough money. If he shut down patreon right now, guess what? he has to start from scratch meaning 0 money coming in to start. Right now, he has 2,200 patreons and has 88 percent of his goal. Now lets thinking. start over or try to maintain the 88 percent income he's getting now? Also, working on both games at the same time isnt going to happen, it would be half assed updates for both games a month and people would bitch that he's milking it even more.
He also said i believe here, that he's looking to make a website and to possibly continue the game.. which is why he said its on hold. Could he be blowing smoke? sure, but all we can do is wait and see, none of us are in his position. He has people working for him and he has to make sure they can pay their rents, feed their families ect ect. I think people lose sight of that part.
Anyways, i would love to see the game continue as well.
its all people who are just thinking with their dicks and not their head up top.
i would have done the same fucking thing if i was him. He has people to pay, them people have families and rent to pay. What other reasonable way that he could set up in a matter of days would net him income to over expenses of his workers?
This is like early access video games, some of them, never make it out and are abandoned for whatever reasons. It happens. 99 percent of us here didnt even put any money down for his patreon, so it shouldnt matter to anyone that didnt spend any money.
Btw even if I wanted to play as female MC - just look at the render of Kate (Kate from Glamour, not BB Kate) - she has completely unnatural face, it's like a different person made the 3d model of her face. Nose, the base of her nose and even her eyes are all wrong.