plenty of fundraisers give gifts to people that donate money, so getting something in return for donating doesn't make it a subscription. the big difference between the two is an obligation to provide something in return for the money. with a donation their no obligation to deliver anything, with a subscription their is a clear thing you are obtaining. in the end it has to do with advertising, in that if something is promised in return for a given amount then it is a subscription. so the reward tiers might make it into a subscription based on wording. before patreon stepped in they did give away the game for free, just not the most recent version. this makes it hard to argue that it is a subscription and thus nothing of tangible value was promised, though adhering to patreon they made it easier to argue that it is a subscription, and thus meant that they were selling porn. by selling porn there are certain obligations that need to be met by law in different states (let alone different countries), and makes it easy to claim that the ban was needed. so doing something that seemed mundane helped to propagate the censorship. of course no sort of age gate on pornographic material is a problem as well, though one that isn't really enforced anymore. there were ways patreon could have handled the situation to ensure things didn't have issues, but they didn't handle it well. if you know what is going on then it wouldn't be surprising to see more adult games getting banned in the future.Well that`s true, on the other hand you can`t get the game without pledging(legally, not pirating). So it`s kinda buying the game itself, it`s not all black and white to be fair... Supporting the dev would be the donation system for a game that he gives out for free, not this whole patreon thing. This pledges are more like encouraging them to actually do/finish something you like and it`s in the early phases of development. So after you are pledged for about 1-2 years, you kinda want a finished product for all that money, otherwise you can even look at it as some sort of scam.
And this is more on a general level, not just DS/BB:
I`m no dev, I don`t really know what goes on in making a game, but: Why would someone need employees, as long as they take 1 month for an update which contains... let`s say 150 images. You, as a creator, allready know the story and how you want to put it, story wise it would not take that much time to write the update. There are not even that many "lines" to write. Do you really need almost a month for coding and rendering 150 images? Maybe if you`re alone...
When you add employees I would expect updates more often, or the monthy updates to be actually big, not the same as before. I really do feel like most creators are just looking to take as much money for the longest time possible, not actually doing/finishing something worthy, that him and his fans would be fond of.
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It was released h ere because he found out a week ago and the game he said was mostly done already. There is alternatives, but not one thats going to bring him enough money. If he shut down patreon right now, guess what? he has to start from scratch meaning 0 money coming in to start. Right now, he has 2,200 patreons and has 88 percent of his goal. Now lets thinking. start over or try to maintain the 88 percent income he's getting now? Also, working on both games at the same time isnt going to happen, it would be half assed updates for both games a month and people would bitch that he's milking it even more.
He also said i believe here, that he's looking to make a website and to possibly continue the game.. which is why he said its on hold. Could he be blowing smoke? sure, but all we can do is wait and see, none of us are in his position. He has people working for him and he has to make sure they can pay their rents, feed their families ect ect. I think people lose sight of that part.
Anyways, i would love to see the game continue as well.
its all people who are just thinking with their dicks and not their head up top.
i would have done the same fucking thing if i was him. He has people to pay, them people have families and rent to pay. What other reasonable way that he could set up in a matter of days would net him income to over expenses of his workers?
This is like early access video games, some of them, never make it out and are abandoned for whatever reasons. It happens. 99 percent of us here didnt even put any money down for his patreon, so it shouldnt matter to anyone that didnt spend any money.
Btw even if I wanted to play as female MC - just look at the render of Kate (Kate from Glamour, not BB Kate) - she has completely unnatural face, it's like a different person made the 3d model of her face. Nose, the base of her nose and even her eyes are all wrong.
i think november but idk i need 0.9 end or 0.10 just give me something
I know I'd miss some but its ok thanks for helping idont want to play whole game begining
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You do get the game for free. The patrons only get early access to the latest release. Those updates are eventually released to the public for free. Having early access is a perk that is given to say thank you for your pledge. It is not a transaction where you pledge and be a patron in exchange of buying the game.
That's why you're not a developer. What you said clearly sounded as if that person has no life but to create the game lol. People need breaks (they need sleep, eat, shower, poop, etc). Things don't always go smoothly (that's why bugs happened). People don't work 7 days/week for a whole month (that's why weekends existed). People don't work 24 hours/day (normal full time working hours is around 7.5-8 hours per day). So in a month, a full time worker usually work around 180 hours. How many hours to render one image? How many hours needed to test the product? How many hours needed to fix problems?
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ROFLMAO
All the bullshit we went through? What the heck is that? LMAO. You went through bullshit? If you're a patron, all you did was just giving him money. That's all. There's no "bullshit" for you to go through LOL.
This is probably the single most entitled sounding post I've ever read in my whole life.
A lot of devs have thought this, and a lot of abandoned 0.2s and 0.3s have proven them wrong. Even bad writing isn't actually that easy.
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How am I entitled for expecting a product to be finished? What's to say he wont abandon Glamour at the first site of trouble like he did with BB? BB was great, but he milked the living shit out of it. If "entitlement" is expecting a product to not be abandoned throughout its cycle, then I happily embrace said title. As for you, the only word that describes you is "naive".
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I don't want to burst your bubble but none should ever expect porn games to be finished. When you support a developer on Patreon, you are essentially paying for development time and not a finished product. The outcome (finished product) is like playing Russian Roulette, only that the revolver already has 5 bullets in the chamber. Almost no developer whatsoever has any code/business acumen. I don't know why people can't drive that in their heads.
In BB's case, you pulled the trigger.
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I started translating 0.13 into German
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That's exactly the type of mindset that allows devs to get away scot free time and time again. When we start holding developers to a higher standard, their standards will inevitably go up as well. Sadly this is not the case with Dark Silver.
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