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Whatever game you play i think you should find the forum for it and post on that site. BB ended with v0.13
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In case you did not notice ... DarkSilver can't continue BB! Just read in this threat what happened!
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Probably DMD, 0.17 was the last release for now I think.Whatever game you play i think you should find the forum for it and post on that site. BB ended with v0.013
Not as much, but still dropping. They only have 82%, so my guess would be that 500-600 ended their pledge with BB.
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It will be the next pledge that reveals the true numbers. It's most common to loose Patreons a few days before pledge. Now the news about BB is out so thoes in doubt will leave right before next pledge. This may be the reason DS announced the "maby" adding of a MMC later on. I can't say for sure but the comming months will decide both Glamours and BB's fate based on Pateron numbers.
(To be clear i don't blame DS for this. He has to make a living and thoes numbers is what he currently lives by.)
I too am skeptical of what DarkSilver says now as he lost credibility. I try to make my arguments with facts given by DS so as to be sensible. Regardless, I would believe DarkSilver's claim that patreon suspended his account. The reason being is that it would be easy for Patreon to disprove. If he told a lie and is dragging Patreon's name in the mud, I'm sure someone from Patreon would respond. So far, they are silent. DS is not a small account either. He's getting a minimum $11,000/month for his project. (Over 2000 patrons) For now, I would believe DarkSilver's claim until stated otherwise.
To that end, I believe project developers shouldn't rely on patreon unless they get full creative control. This is so damaging to projects in general. If Patreon doesn't like what you do, you're booted. In the end, while ignoring the patrons, Patreon has the final say. There needs to be competition. Przewodo is part of adultpledge, a competitor for patreon that wouldn't discriminate. It's not a perfect but any competition is better than no competition. (I don't know anything about payza or their commission rates)
Regardless of the whole patreon competition angle. What patreon allegedly did was throw a wrench into his project. I criticize the way Dark Silver responded to this wrench. In his posts he basically said he's using this as an opportunity to go do glamour as big brother is 'no longer the game he envisioned'. At the rate this new game is already going, I have no doubt that glamour too will have that issue. What's to stop him from quitting this new game as well? Right now he has no credibility and a track record of 0 completed games. (and after all that money as well) He could have changed up Max to be a family friend on vacation. (or some other bs) That way at least the game could be completed. The way DarkSilver threw away the game is disheartening.
Patreon projects are already unstable as it is. I've given money to projects before. I now have to think twice now because of this.
I'm looking to see if I have managed to see all of .13's new scenes. Has anyone got a list of what new stuff happens? Obviously make it a spoiler for those, less cheaty inclined.
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lol error
@zippydan
That may be everything. You can be right. But what should have been mourned? I guess now the part of the incest ... that's in almost all games there. Then they would have to change something. or even have to. but that's not the case. In the game "Adventures of Willy D", this performance is even worse than BigBrother. Of course, Incest is a NO GO in real life, that's for sure. But whether it's in a game, the mother is or just an unknown woman. If that is pretty. That's just a game. So I do not believe the Darksilver. What is there to play, then it should only meet him otherwise no one else?
He took the money. And will never finish a game. That's a crime for me personally! As already mentioned here. People have a right to a finished game. But if you continue to pay for the new project. they will be disappointed again. I'm sure. Darksilver has to lose money. And that very much. He has to fall under 1000 people. Then he will most certainly stop. Or go on with Bigbrother. And both are better than what the state is now. Whoever gives him money now? He is more stupid than the police allowed.
@zippydan
That may be everything. You can be right. But what should have been mourned? I guess now the part of the incest ... that's in almost all games there. Then they would have to change something. or even have to. but that's not the case. In the game "Adventures of Willy D", this performance is even worse than BigBrother. Of course, Incest is a NO GO in real life, that's for sure. But whether it's in a game, the mother is or just an unknown woman. If that is pretty. That's just a game. So I do not believe the Darksilver. What is there to play, then it should only meet him otherwise no one else?
He took the money. And will never finish a game. That's a crime for me personally! As already mentioned here. People have a right to a finished game. But if you continue to pay for the new project. they will be disappointed again. I'm sure. Darksilver has to lose money. And that very much. He has to fall under 1000 people. Then he will most certainly stop. Or go on with Bigbrother. And both are better than what the state is now. Whoever gives him money now? He is more stupid than the police allowed.
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Guys Patreon put a stop to Big Brother not DS
Being a patreon creator myself I know they did Big Brother was a clear violation of Patreons terms of agreement . Though I do not agree with patreon that incest in games and animations is against the law because it is not real and no Human Beings are being hurt. Therefore no crime has been committed.
What is truly needed is an alternative to Patreon so that we can boycott patreon and not the creators.
I know of only one but I don't know if I'm allowed to mention their site name here.
Being a patreon creator myself I know they did Big Brother was a clear violation of Patreons terms of agreement . Though I do not agree with patreon that incest in games and animations is against the law because it is not real and no Human Beings are being hurt. Therefore no crime has been committed.
What is truly needed is an alternative to Patreon so that we can boycott patreon and not the creators.
I know of only one but I don't know if I'm allowed to mention their site name here.
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is still much easier. Own hompage. Then pay with CCBill. and that's it ... THRI XXX does it with their games. DS just does not want anymore. I'm sure
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that is unknown to me. I did not have that. but try to avoid that with an autosave. Your save file may also have an error. I already had that with other games
The reason why I place more blame on DarkSilver is because of Teacher's Pet by Irredeemable. That game also had incest in it. But recently the daughter has been changed to foreign transfer student. I was wondering why at the time but now it makes sense. They also get funding from patreon.
Since the change, Irredeemable is still on patreon with seemingly no problem. I don't see how Patreon would not have accepted Big Brother if DarkSilver had changed Max's character to remove incest. As I said before, Patreon's alleged action is a wrench. DarkSilver let a wrench blow up his project. That's my complaint.
edit: let's not forget about what glamour is going to have instead of incest. It's going to contain blackmail. I wonder if Patreon's thought police would have a problem with that. What else would they have a problem with?
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@TopSter
Of course, MAX would have made me an exchange student. would be a very simple solution. If one gets so much money, he can not take it. only if he does not feel like it anymore. Everything else is not logical. 11 000 in a month is a lot of money. If he was good enough in his job, he would probably be with big companies. But since he is with patreon. He stands on his own feet. Rest I said already.
Of course, MAX would have made me an exchange student. would be a very simple solution. If one gets so much money, he can not take it. only if he does not feel like it anymore. Everything else is not logical. 11 000 in a month is a lot of money. If he was good enough in his job, he would probably be with big companies. But since he is with patreon. He stands on his own feet. Rest I said already.
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More like 50:50, Patreon decided to ban incest and Darksilver decided the best course of action would be to do nothing. Take a look at Man of the House for example, just one simple file and everything's back to normal.
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Blackmail is not specifically mentioned in Patreons TOS
police cant prosecute for fiction, well at least not yet.
Teachers Pet is made with Ren'Py and names can be changed easily in it or by using a script. With my project, I changed mother/son to stepmother/stepson and so forth. in hopes that I can get away with it on patreon will see they may have a problem with that as well. For me, the lack of Taboo just takes away from the story and let's face it is the taboo that makes us want to play the game in the first place even though we would never consider it in real life.
Big Brother is made with Unity I don't know how hard it is to change it's probably just as easy but I can say that I wouldn't like the game if it was changed.
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Regardless of how hard it was, it can't be as hard as remaking a whole new game. No... there's a reason why DarkSilver went that route. He didn't like making Big Brother anymore. He went ahead and said so in Patreon. Giving up on the game is on him regardless of what Patreon did. That's on his track record. Tens of thousands of dollars in the drain. That's his prerogative but there should be consequences to his decision.
I don't doubt he can make good games. I doubt his discipline. I personally don't think he should be trusted to make complete games anymore. He can prove my statement wrong by making Glamour until the end but I don't see the likelihood of that since he's already making foolhardy compromises in an attempt to please everyone.
DS made his decision and now has to face the consequences.
The same goes for his patrons - he lost around 1000 so far (give or take) and will probably lose more by the end of the month.
Glamour is basically a very complex and demanding game and regardless of how excited DS is about it - it wont help much with the development. His patrons count will continue to plummet and so will his income from Patreon and judging by his slow BB development progress even when he had like 3k patrons and a lot of money.... we can expect Glamour to be a fairly playable game in a couple of years unless he abandons the project like he did with BB.
The latter solution seems more viable.
