Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Bahamut Zero]

No Eric means Ann never losing her job. Ann never losing her job means that she'll continue to live up to her own delusion of being a good, normal, mother.
Also, she'll never be in a position for Kira to manipulate her into sharing her bed with her (and thus never with Max).
She won't wind up in porn, which means nothing more than a hand job from her for Max, and Max will continue to be a "quick shot".

No doubt Ann would eventually catch on to Alice's camshows, and probably Kira "teaching" Max & Lisa, and wind up saving huge amounts of money from being alone in the house with only Lisa (probably in a chastity belt), whilst everyone else winds up kicked out with Alice probably living with Kate, and Kira and Max in jail.

There's a lot I'm missing out here, but Eric is pretty critical to Max's eventual sex life.

Well no Bro you are wrong!
Because if there is no Eric surelly there was someone else who help the thing grow up. For example the autor could use the aunt in a different way. And the thing work better then eric.
The real problem here is that the autor do not had the ball/guts to use his mind, istead of use the mind of shitty netorare child.
If you created a game with choice, you need to give us real choice. Is not a problem if eric was in the game, but the autor created a god eric system to destrod everything in game.
First of all why i wanna mc mother to become a porn actress? Who the ppl want is just a way to created an harem and fuck all the girls/woman. Only the 10% of ppl want to see other men in game. And i am one of the 90% who wanna harem and not shitty netorare.
Why i wanna aunt kira to turn mc mother in a semi-slut? Help is ok, but i do not wanna a slut around the house.
The author has never had clear in mind what he wanted. He has created aesthetically very beautiful and horny characters, but with plot/story he hasn't done great things.
He made 4/5 porn movie with the mother and not one with the mc who finally fuck her.

First with the old sister, who just become a bisex/lesbian with no curage, all the time you need to beg her friend to let her help you with fuck you own sister -.- and for me this is idiotic! I understand some ppl fetish, but not all ppl are in some fetish. With choice you can choice if you sister is a lesbian or not, if she is in the latex/wip fetish
The only real good story was the one with the little sis at last till some point.

Trust me there are planty of way to let a mother and a son fuck. Or an aunt and a nephew. And so on.
Anyway now this game is abandoned and i think see a continue is almost impossibile.

 

[Corambis]

How come this game is still so popular? Did the game not end?

Have other people taken over or what?

The game still has the best renders of any game I've seen out there, and I've been looking at quite a few since the last update for this game. The women still look the most appealing in this game than in any other. Part of this is my own individual tastes. I don't like the stereotypical milf looking character, with oversize breasts and ass. Ann just looks like an older woman, albeit (like all of the women) a perfect example of one.

The game also left with the unfinished business of Lisa's virginity, which was presumably to be lost in the next update. Taking Lisa's virginity was my number one goal in the game, even when her character turned out not to be so innocent.

I think the last update with Ann was also a strong one after multiple weak ones, and that got my hopes up for what might come with Lisa.

As much as I've begun to branch out into other games now, Big Brother still tends to be the one I come back to when I want to cum.

No Eric means Ann never losing her job. Ann never losing her job means that she'll continue to live up to her own delusion of being a good, normal, mother.
Also, she'll never be in a position for Kira to manipulate her into sharing her bed with her (and thus never with Max).
She won't wind up in porn, which means nothing more than a hand job from her for Max, and Max will continue to be a "quick shot".

No doubt Ann would eventually catch on to Alice's camshows, and probably Kira "teaching" Max & Lisa, and wind up saving huge amounts of money from being alone in the house with only Lisa (probably in a chastity belt), whilst everyone else winds up kicked out with Alice probably living with Kate, and Kira and Max in jail.

There's a lot I'm missing out here, but Eric is pretty critical to Max's eventual sex life.

There's nothing Eric does in this game that Max couldn't and shouldn't have been able to do for himself. First and foremost there is fucking Ann. It also shouldn't be necessary either to break Ann emotionally or to go the entire route the game goes for us to have sex with her. Part of what I liked about the last update was that Ann suddenly became less stupid and messed-up emotionally right in time for the sex to happen, and became a softer version of the harsh mother she was at the beginning instead of the train wreck the last several updates had made her into.

 

[MegaV]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of keeping the BB saga running and picking the game back up and I need some advice from fans on here of the game.

I know this thread is still huge but I gotta ask a quick question and I think this is the best place to put it. My idea here is to keep the much beloved characters in BB like Ann, Lisa, Alice, Kira and the rest (Olivia, Vicky, Diana, Eve, Kate) but adding new characters into the story, to try and make a BB universe but obviously not call it that as this is Dark Silvers property. I'm thinking along the lines of a fan made tip of the hat to this game where the characters are similar and in a similar situation but I wanted to totally re-write the story, the mechanics, the gameplay to make it less of a grind and change the parts that people don't like.

I'm not going to rip off DS's work completely, far from it, I'll be using the same art assets used in his game but creating a whole new game with different mechanics, different opportunities (while keeping some the same), so from a story and gaming point of view it will technically be a different game.

I'll be using the Unity Engine to carry out this task and as I don't want to risk getting sued I'm going to make this game and NOT fund it on Patreon or anywhere else, I was just going to work on it and post it on here, I work from home and have suddenly developed a lot of time on my hands so I thought I may as well put it to good use. Don't get me wrong I'm not against making money but I don't want to milk something that has finished, plus I reckon there's no harm in trying right?

I'm going to make a start on this on my own and I'm going to set up another thread on the general discussions section here if anyone wants to throw some suggestions in, I have a bucket load of ideas already planned (about 40 opportunities in my head already) and I wanted to put in a proper narrative, realistic characters and realistic reactions to different situations which I think is missing in some game projects of this type out there at the moment, plus I'm going to make full use of NPC's inner thoughts which are not told in many games (DMD is a good example of this).

I like stat building games as long as they are not too difficult with little payoff, I'm wondering on everyone's thoughts on this as in my opinion stats like "Attractiveness", "Fitness", "Charisma", are things in the real world that people find attractive and I want to base the logics of this game in reality, I've been poking around with projects for the last 8-9 months but under the new Patreon rules my WIP game I planned out is never going to get funding until an alternative comes around so I'm thinking doing a fun project as a hobby will be great and my logic here is if it turns out any good it will get my name out there for future projects I may work on.

Thoughts???

 

[Snugglepuff]

It also shouldn't be necessary either to break Ann emotionally or to go the entire route the game goes for us to have sex with her.

By that logic Max should be ass fucking Lisa with Ann giving scores out of ten to both their performance on the second day when he wakes up with morning wood.

Yes I'm being hyperbolic, but you seem to be wanting nothing more than being able to fuck everyone from the get go, making the game nothing more than a click & fap porn comic.

Part of what I liked about the last update was that Ann suddenly became less stupid and messed-up emotionally right in time for the sex to happen, and became a softer version of the harsh mother she was at the beginning instead of the train wreck the last several updates had made her into.

It's not sudden. It's the end result of everything Ann has gone through with Eric, Kira and Max.

She's not a "softer version of the harsh mother", she's just stopped clinging to her delusion of what she should be, and embraced who she is, and who her family are. One big fucked up, incestual mix-up of Max loving freaks.

I have little doubt that she'd have wound up giving her blessing to Max to take Lisa's virginity if Lisa wanted it (which Ann wasn't aware of) if the game had gotten that far, but only after everything else she's been through and done. Including happily sucking her own son off with Lisa watching and "learning" and swapping roles in Lisa's "advanced" home school sex-ed.

Of all the characters we're presented, Ann is probably the closest thing to a believable character, and that's stretching suspension of disbelief to near breaking point.

 

[MegaV]

Well no Bro you are wrong!
Because if there is no Eric surelly there was someone else who help the thing grow up. For example the autor could use the aunt in a different way. And the thing work better then eric.
The real problem here is that the autor do not had the ball/guts to use his mind, istead of use the mind of shitty netorare child.
If you created a game with choice, you need to give us real choice. Is not a problem if eric was in the game, but the autor created a god eric system to destrod everything in game.
First of all why i wanna mc mother to become a porn actress? Who the ppl want is just a way to created an harem and fuck all the girls/woman. Only the 10% of ppl want to see other men in game. And i am one of the 90% who wanna harem and not shitty netorare.
Why i wanna aunt kira to turn mc mother in a semi-slut? Help is ok, but i do not wanna a slut around the house.
The author has never had clear in mind what he wanted. He has created aesthetically very beautiful and horny characters, but with plot/story he hasn't done great things.
He made 4/5 porn movie with the mother and not one with the mc who finally fuck her.

First with the old sister, who just become a bisex/lesbian with no curage, all the time you need to beg her friend to let her help you with fuck you own sister -.- and for me this is idiotic! I understand some ppl fetish, but not all ppl are in some fetish. With choice you can choice if you sister is a lesbian or not, if she is in the latex/wip fetish
The only real good story was the one with the little sis at last till some point.

Trust me there are planty of way to let a mother and a son fuck. Or an aunt and a nephew. And so on.
Anyway now this game is abandoned and i think see a continue is almost impossibile.

Amen Brother, I agree completely with what you said here, this game could have been so much more but like you said, the vision kept on changing and its like the plot from start to finish wasn't even planned in advance it was like it was made up in a very short time, plus the game had a great premise with Eric but I agree with what you said here that Eric was in God mode and there was no way for the player to counter his every move, if the MC could counter his every move and beat him at every turn, then get rid of him the character would have been better received than he was from the beginning. That's kind of why I want to have a play around with a project using similar BB characters because I'm convinced I can write the thing better, I'm not a professional coder by any means of the word but I've had a lot of practice on renders over the last 10-12 months.

Like you said there were so many other paths this game could have gone down and missed opportunities, it could have been much, much bigger and it raked in 10's of thousands in its development time.

 

[BadTime69]

I really doubt that this is your problem, but just in case...

Did you download the game from here, or from a different source? This problem use to happen to people who had the original version from Patreon, and then they modded it with something from f95zone. They weren't compatible.

Yes I downloaded from here. Do I need a new download?

 

[MegaV]

I'm going to share my opinion on here for just a second. I'm a huge fan of this game by the way but I'm just going to point out the inconsistencies and missed opportunities that could have made the game legendary.

If you create a rival character to the MC with a similar agenda of having a harem of beautiful women like Eric was intended to be then you also needed to program in countermeasures for the hero to beat the antagonist, the game had this potential built into the code at the start, the two stats of Eric's Influence and Max's Authority. These two stats could have been used to determine events in the game, for example if Max's Authority was higher than Eric's influence then the NPC (Ann, Lisa, Alice) would have chosen to watch a movie or hang out with the MC over Eric, likewise if Eric's influence was higher then the girls would choose him over the MC, simple game logic here could have determined more events/opportunities, for the player it's a challenge to keep Eric from boning his entire family and for the fans who liked watching the NTR thing (I don't understand myself, but not judging), giving it a win, win situation. Another stat called "Trust" could have been added between Max and Eric, so Max could give Eric false information and set him up to look like an idiot to the girls, this gives the MC another chance to sabotage his plans by giving him wrong information and setting him up for a fall.

Second point, Ann's logic. This was all over the place, yes Max was the peeping Tom of the house but let's face it, if your son hands you a photo which catches your boyfriend (who she has only known for a short time) masturbating outside the room of your daughter then any woman no matter how mentally damaged she is would literally throw him out and dump him. Ann spends all of the time Eric is in the game punishing the MC and turning a blind eye to what Eric is doing (her daughters and her sister). Her character improves over time but turning her into a porn star is not good writing is it?, there are so many other ways that this plot could have been written, some parts were good, credit where it's due here but other parts were just grasping at straws.

The hidden cameras, what a waste of time this was, the MC could have started his journey just peeking but when the cameras are installed why risk it?, just access the camera feeds from the safety of another room on the laptop. The hidden cams thing was a huge wasted and excessively grindy opportunity that could have been so much more.

The Olivia path ended up being a complete wasted opportunity too, I mean players could have taken that path and then merged the Olivia and Lisa girlfriend path together later on, as it happened this was not DS's fault as the Patrons voted for the focus to stay on Ann, Lisa and Alice but giving away that much creative control to the masses of followers he had was a bad idea in my opinion, DS was too tidy a guy when it came to this, he should have continued with his original vision of the game and not handed the creative strings over to others. Like I said DS is a decent guy and I spoke to him via message on a few occasions so my criticism is not aimed at him personally as I like the guy.

The lack of updates for Aunt Kira, this was borderline criminal that a character this hot is created and becomes a bit part player with very little interaction with the MC, she's the porn star and got the least amount of sex with the MC.

The way this game was developed also didn't capitalise on the strengths of the Unity Engine platform, like for instance interactive objects, animations, during the MC and Ann's massage scene the platform even supports the use of moving the mouse to move the players hands to make the game fully immersive, also another good gaming addition to the game in my opinion would have been orgasm meters for each character, where the player is in control of when the MC has an orgasm and could prolong a sex scene until the NPC orgasms first. The early versions of the game were stats heavy like building relationship levels with the girls but none of that seemed to matter in later additions to the game.

My point here is not to create a flame war but just to illustrate my opinions on how this game was a missed opportunity, it could have been so much more and I would have loved for it to have become that, I am a huge fan of the game and I'm a little disappointed that it's not going to be finished anytime soon, I supported this game at the higher level for almost it's whole tenure on Patreon, so I'm not venting this opinion to run anybody down, it's just me putting down my opinion.

 

[Corambis]

By that logic Max should be ass fucking Lisa with Ann giving scores out of ten to both their performance on the second day when he wakes up with morning wood.

Yes I'm being hyperbolic, but you seem to be wanting nothing more than being able to fuck everyone from the get go, making the game nothing more than a click & fap porn comic.

I'm not saying that having sex with any of them should be easy. That's not to say that an incestual encounter can't come out of nowhere. It wouldn't make for much of a game though. There are many routes to having sex with a family member. One of them is via someone like Eric, but to me that seems like an unnecessary detour, and for most of us there was a lot of unwelcome scenery along the route. I for one would much rather have seen Max working hard to seduce Ann and slowly winning her over despite her knowing better, versus all of the stupid stuff with the carpal tunnel syndrome and the porn movies and so on.

Of all the characters we're presented, Ann is probably the closest thing to a believable character, and that's stretching suspension of disbelief to near breaking point.

See, to me Ann seemed like the leave believable. At least during the entire middle part of the game. No adult woman is going to fall for the carpal tunnel thing, let alone for as long as she did, and that's just one example. I found Alice and Lisa to be more believable as characters. The problem was that they grew less likable over time.

 

[Snugglepuff]

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[CroNoX]

Hello guys, I have just reached the doctor part and I'm totally stuck in the story. Mom won't make me cum 90% or 100% times, the rest of the family will do. I just can do anal with aunt Kira and Lisa, also Alice and Kate just let me fuck Kate or Alice blowjob, no more. I have seen some scenes in Images Folder and I can't reach any of that. No sex with Alice etc, she just will give me the "Gimme money" conv. What am I doing wrong? Already tried to follow the 0.ALL walkthrough given in the Big Brother Index, but I can't really understand what to do. Bought Spider bait but cannot use with Alice and the scenes with Kate and Alice too.

 

[bacchusplateau]

Yes I downloaded from here. Do I need a new download?

No, as I said, that was a problem with people downloading from Patreon and using mods from here. Are you using a Mac? I remember seeing that could be a problem. If you have a Mac, go to the search bar at the top of the page, check off 'Search This Thread Only', and search for 'wine'. If this doesn't solve your problem, then I'm out of ideas...

 

[Bahamut Zero]

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No bro i say again you are wrong. And i do not need to put ! <--- 20 of this to have 100% right.
Or perhaps... you are a netorare addicted fan so ofc you love to see you woman fuck with other.
There are planty way to remove eric and do a more awesome story.
The game is called Big brother! No Eric game!
But is usless to tell at someone who i think at 85% surelly a eric fan. I am 85% sure that you play with eric as a friend in game.
Eric was a huge pain in the ass in the game, especially because to remove him, you have to do somersaults with hands tied behind back and with a drip attached to arm! While a monkey makes a mockery of you XD
But i say it again, eric is not the real problem, because with a real choice system all the ppl can be happy to play the game. With or without eric.
When this game was presented the game was about a big bro who need to find a way to fuck his two sister and mother.
At the beginning of the game there was no eric and the autor start to earn a lot of money! Ofc because till that moment the 100% of the ppl was normal incest fan without bad habits.
Then something change 5% of the new incoming was from ntr fan. So the autor change all the little thing introducing eric, to made ntr fan happy. Because ofc also they pay.
And... who happen?
The 60% of his incoming fell dramatically!!!!!!!!!! So i made you happy. If you want i can add more!!!!
When the game start without ntr (eric) the autor on his patreon page had almost earned something like 2500$
After eric was introduced... 1200$ He lost 1300$ for make the 5% of ntr fan happy.
So you can see the difference of happines.

Then he start again to say some good thing. Guys i see that not all ppl are happy with Eric thing (ofc:tf. Then now there is a way to remove eric completelly! And then his money raised again till 1600$
But the fan was not really so happy, why? Because to remove eric you need to do as i say somersaults with hands tied behind back and with a drip attached to arm! Always with the same monkey who makes a mockery of you!

Then he start to ruin also the old sister, latex and lesbian thing ofc Max was the sex slave of the other bitch.
And again the old sister is lesbian! Not bisex! She only like girls. But with Max the thing go different because for the incest thing. Replay the game and see that she say i like only girls. So you need to help that girl to let you sister fuck at night.

The aunt? Only one fuck sex scene in 7 months! And ofc in that one eric blackmail aunt and fuck her! This is crazy!

The little sis? Till the time there was no other boy all was great! Then again... another boy who almost steal her to max again!
The mother? Oh please God help me! That woman have the bad blind eyes of all the time! wtf! This mother need a telescope to see the truth! Eric come and eric have always right. A man come to you house and tell you mother, you son have to go to the military camp! Yes you right i sand him tomorrow! Really? Now bitch com to the bed and fuck! Oh yes stay asleep, now i go to you other daughter i fap on them and you do not see anything! Understand!?
Eric as said if i punish you now i have to do it naked! wtf! Max show a pic and her... nothing?

The author did not have the sense of orientation in the game, he did not understand when to stop things of bad taste. It was only for the benefit of 5% of its fans. And I do not understand why.

Look this thread i am 80% sure that almost the 75% of the ppl here do not like and do not wanna eric in the game.
So now if i was a developer i am 100% sure to make a game to make happy the 75% and not the 25%

For the 25% think about them only at the end of the game. So you can remade some path to fitt eric in. And then say to all the fan i have made a ntr version, if you wanna play the game with that in, you can now download it.

For me luckily I'm not a game developer, because in that case, the ntr worshipers would not have bread to bite. For me it is a genre that should be banned for eternity.

In conclusion I will tell you... i really hope that the autor come back and revive this game, because this game have an huge potential unexpressed. Then again if the autor come... give us real choice! So ppl who like eric are happy and ppl who hate eric can remove him from the game. Eric is not the real problem of the game, the real problem was the choice system. In a game an enemy is always welcome, but you need to give us the weapon to fighet that enemy!

 

[BadTime69]

No, as I said, that was a problem with people downloading from Patreon and using mods from here. Are you using a Mac? I remember seeing that could be a problem. If you have a Mac, go to the search bar at the top of the page, check off 'Search This Thread Only', and search for 'wine'. If this doesn't solve your problem, then I'm out of ideas...

I'm on Windows 7. I just decided to give up on trying to make it work no big deal, the game is abandoned anyway there are plenty of other games that have my attention atm anyway. Thanks for the help anyway.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Or perhaps... you are a netorare addicted fan so ofc you love to see you woman fuck with other.

You clearly have a short memory... forgot about your little knee-jerk reaction and ranting about netorare and netori in the thread for The Twist, did you?
You mistakenly accused me of being pro-NTR in that thread too.

Everything necessary to deal with Eric is in the game.
You can even make him your bitch in an unfinished plot line, and even then you can still get rid of him permanently.
You are raging against your own fears, for no reason, about an unfinished game that puts the tools at your disposal of how the main character deals with things.

Even before being able to remove him, we were able to ensure that Max wouldn't be in a position to be out influenced by Eric.
Seriously, next time you see something even vaguely NTR-ish in a game, walk away and think about what it is, and how it's handled in the game. That way you won't come across like a kid flying off the handle because his favourite toy got confiscated by mummy dearest.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

You clearly have a short memory... forgot about your little knee-jerk reaction and ranting about netorare and netori in the thread for The Twist, did you?
You mistakenly accused me of being pro-NTR in that thread too.

Everything necessary to deal with Eric is in the game.
You can even make him your bitch in an unfinished plot line, and even then you can still get rid of him permanently.
You are raging against your own fears, for no reason, about an unfinished game that puts the tools at your disposal of how the main character deals with things.

Even before being able to remove him, we were able to ensure that Max wouldn't be in a position to be out influenced by Eric.
Seriously, next time you see something even vaguely NTR-ish in a game, walk away and think about what it is, and how it's handled in the game. That way you won't come across like a kid flying off the handle because his favourite toy got confiscated by mummy dearest.

Bro i cant rememeber all the name i speak here XD ofc now i rembember you.
But now that i remember you, this is the second time that you protect the ntr again. And if i say to you something like you perhaps is a ntr fan, perhaps is because this is the scond time you protect the ntr system like only some fanatic do. If you are not a ntr fan as you say, why the hell you protect it? I understand that all ppl have they taste. And i respect that. And in this game the ntr was to much bad done. Is truth that i really hate ntr, but if in a game there is a choice that allow me to avoid it, i am ok to play the game. Because all the ppl are happy.
When i start to look a thread, the first thing i do is look in the genre. And see if there is or not ntr writed in it. Then i ask if it is avoidable or not. After that i decided if yes or not to try it.
And the first time i look on big brother no ntr tag was here. So i know very well on who i am talking about. The first time i download the game it was a normal incest game. Without eric. After some month the genre change and the ntr tag was added. So again i know this game from the v0.01 if you wanna put some number just to understand.
And again... i think that you perhaps do not remember that the first time eric come in the game, there wasnt no get ride of eric! You have to be stuck with eric for a very looooong time!
The get ride of eric come in the game only after... if i am not mistake in the v0.9!
So till that time i just stop to play big brother. I need to wait a very long wait to start to replay the game from the scratch! But now is usless, the game is abandoned so now is usless to be angry with the autor XD we can only wait and see if the autor revive the game or not. Anyway lets hope that the next time i remember you name XD so i avoid it XD

 

[Snugglepuff]

Bro i cant rememeber all the name i speak here XD ofc now i rembember you.
But now that i remember you, this is the second time that you protect the ntr again. And if i say to you something like you perhaps is a ntr fan, perhaps is because this is the scond time you protect the ntr system like only some fanatic do. If you are not a ntr fan as you say, why the hell you protect it?

I'm not "protecting" it, anymore than I'm against it. I don't care for it in general, especially when it's something that is unavoidable with no way of overcoming it.
When it's simply an obstacle to overcome, then that means it's a challenge within the game, just like with what was eventually able to be done with Eric in this game.

Given your obvious hatred of it in any way, shape or form, I seriously recommend just avoiding any game where you'll find yourself playing a character where a potential sexual partner is having sex with someone before they do with the protagonist within the game, because you see NTR where there isn't any, and is in no way cuckolding the main character.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

I'm not "protecting" it, anymore than I'm against it. I don't care for it in general, especially when it's something that is unavoidable with no way of overcoming it.
When it's simply an obstacle to overcome, then that means it's a challenge within the game, just like with what was eventually able to be done with Eric in this game.

Given your obvious hatred of it in any way, shape or form, I seriously recommend just avoiding any game where you'll find yourself playing a character where a potential sexual partner is having sex with someone before they do with the protagonist within the game, because you see NTR where there isn't any, and is in no way cuckolding the main character.

lol thanks do not warry i know the games i wanna play XD and i always ask if is avoidable or not.
Till now i play almost all the game i find without problem. The one that i do not like, i close the app and eliminate the game form me HD XD

 

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[MegaV]

Guys the real problem with BB as a game was that everybody enjoyed it for different reasons, some liked the render quality, hotness of the women, some the incest niche, others liked the idea of watching Eric win. Everyone seems to forget that 0.4 I think it was put Eric on top, he had already had Ann, Kira and Alice by then (Alice was behind closed doors, so was the Lisa sex ed thing), so in 4 versions of the game, depending on your choices he had already had the entire household (or at least it was implied), until the script was changed in later versions after the Eric backlash from the supporters.

Another point here is the Kate character, yes she confirmed she likes girls but has had men before, now she was intended to be this dominatrix character who would dominate the MC and Alice and eventually control the entire household, this here was almost another Eric scenario for NTR haters, DS put a poll out on Kate's role and the followers voted for Max to dominate her which threw the development script up in the air again, so the plot was again re-written.

Then the Alex character that was going to be Lisa's boyfriend, another example of going down the Eric route again, this was implied that he would take Lisa's virginity and followers rebelled again, then he was quickly removed from the game and never to be seen again.

Nobody playing this game who hates NTR wanted to get the sloppy seconds from Eric, or Eric's leftovers if you want to describe it like that. Bottom line when developing a story like this is that if you have 2000 supporters you will never please all of them and by trying to do so, the dev inadvertently hurt the game because of it.

I'll display a point here to demonstrate what I'm trying to say here, if the Eric character was actually called Erica (gender reversing here), who was a hot live in babysitter who was trying to corrupt the girls of the house and actually helped the MC get what he wanted via her corrupting the girls for him or the babysitter starts controlling the house then I can say that 50% of the NTR haters would be kind of put out but ok about it, because its a hot 20 year old woman doing the corrupting, if this hot babysitter was fucking the entire family I think people would have been ok at the start as long as there was a way for the hero to win. A lot of people feel in these types of games that too many dicks spoils the soup.

While both you guys make valid points and I can see the argument from both sides of the coin the game still pissed off a LOT of people, much like games with a female MC who has to seduce men, some like this some don't. If I completely rewrote this game in the same way as DS did but changed Eric to Erica, Alex to Alexa (lisa's lesbian school friend) and made Kate a submissive instead of a dom then half wouldn't complain, even though a woman having sex with your girl is still as much NTR as a man doing it I just think that half of the audience wouldn't care.

NTR is a new kind of niche that is slowly becoming popular and game devs are capitalising on this (I understand NTR but don't personally get off on it), take for instance BB as one example and The Tyrant as another and the new Family Life 2, they all have NTR content but in Tyrant you can disable it which keeps both sides happy, in family life 2 its a woman doing the corruption (fair play this game is not a great user experience due to the game engine). Another example is Lucky Mark but the difference here is that the MC is doing the NTR not having it done against him, where basically you're trying to take a mans family away from him by seducing his wife and daughter, nobody complains about this game being NTR themed, so using these examples here going back to the main point above is that there are many different ways to write an incest or NTR game that doesn't piss so many people off.

Anyway sorry guys just putting my thoughts and opinions down, not trying to inflate a flame war.

 

[Rezasaboor]

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