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You're missing one that actually backs up your statement. Take a screenshot of "sex noises at 2am".
What do you think Eric is doing in Alice’s room at 2-3 in the morning? And Max says in direct text, what is happening there, but he cannot see, because he is afraid of punishment.

If you wanted to listen to "real sounds", then alas, the game works without sounds)

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What do you think Eric is doing in Alice’s room at 2-3 in the morning?
Failing miserably at getting anything sexual with her.

And Max says in direct text, what is happening there, but he cannot see, because he is afraid of punishment.
He says "Looks like". He made an assumption, that turns out to be wrong when later asking Alice about it after Eric's out of the picture.
He cannot see, or hear what is going on.

You're jumping to the same conclusion that Max did, just like so many other idiots did at the time.

If you wanted to listen to "real sounds", then alas, the game works without sounds)
I never said anything about us hearing sounds, only for you to show where the game says anything at all about sex sounds (I said post a screenshot of it for a reason). Which you cannot do because it's never mentioned at all. You made it up.
 

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Failing miserably at getting anything sexual with her.



He says "Looks like". He made an assumption, that turns out to be wrong when later asking Alice about it after Eric's out of the picture.
He cannot see, or hear what is going on.

You're jumping to the same conclusion that Max did, just like so many other idiots did at the time.



I never said anything about us hearing sounds, only for you to show where the game says anything at all about sex sounds (I said post a screenshot of it for a reason). Which you cannot do because it's never mentioned at all. You made it up.
He failed miserably and therefore visits her 2 times a week?

Alice can’t say anything, because the game has already said 20 times that after drinking, she doesn’t remember anything in the morning, Eric uses this, and Max uses it by slipping sweets on her.

"Looks like" this is a figure of speech, not an assumption, in the Russian language this text does not look so two -digit.
 
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He failed miserably and therefore visits her 2 times a week?
Of course. Just like Max's failures at most things, he keeps trying until he succeeds.

Alice can’t say anything, because the game has already said 20 times that after drinking, she doesn’t remember anything in the morning, Eric uses this, and Max uses it by slipping sweets on her.
Her saying that she doesn't remember things after having alcohol is good enough for you, but her saying nothing happened isn't?
So you're saying she's telling the truth when trying to excuse giving her own brother oral sex, but lying about sexual relations with Eric... How convenient for you.

The entire point of when she says nothing happened, is DS telling the audience that nothing happened, when originally something was supposed to happen. All the pushback on the things Eric did/would do lead DS to capitulate to the demands of idiots who don't understand when something is and isn't ntr.

"Looks like" this is a figure of speech, not an assumption,
It's a figure of speech that's employed when making an assumption based on available evidence.
The only evidence Max has at that point is that Eric's in her room at that time. Your evidence is Max's assumption, which is baseless.

in the Russian language this text does not look so two -digit.
And in English that just looks like gibberish.
Seriously, that last line makes no sense. Either on its own or as part of a sentence.

Also, the only guide that's of any value for this game is the second post in the walkthrough & questions thread, made by a1fox3.
It was made as the game was being released.
 
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Of course. Just like Max's failures at most things, he keeps trying until he succeeds.



Her saying that she doesn't remember things after having alcohol is good enough for you, but her saying nothing happened isn't?
So you're saying she's telling the truth when trying to excuse giving her own brother oral sex, but lying about sexual relations with Eric... How convenient for you.

The entire point of when she says nothing happened, is DS telling the audience that nothing happened, when originally something was supposed to happen. All the pushback on the things Eric did/would do lead DS to capitulate to the demands of idiots who don't understand when something is and isn't ntr.



It's a figure of speech that's employed when making an assumption based on available evidence.
The only evidence Max has at that point is that Eric's in her room at that time. Your evidence is Max's assumption, which is baseless.



And in English that just looks like gibberish.
Seriously, that last line makes no sense. Either on its own or as part of a sentence.

Also, the only guide that's of any value for this game is the second post in the walkthrough & questions thread, made by a1fox3.
It was made as the game was being released.

Continues to close with her alone in her bedroom at 2-3 am, then don't you think it's strange that Alice doesn't even mention this fact? Oh yeah, she doesn't remember anything.

It is quite logical that since she does not remember the H event, then it did not exist with respect to her gaze. So she can't lie about it

She also says that nothing happened, even when nothing really happened, which is basically a handy gag for both directions of the plot since I repeat she doesn't remember anything! She does not lie or tell the truth, this secret of her relationship with Eric remains only between Eric, Max and the Player. As well as the secret of Eric himself remains between Max, Kira and the Player.

I'm watching you NTR connoisseur? Because for me this game has only elements of NTR, but is not NTR at its core, just like the game has elements of femdom and BDSM, but the game is not about that.

This figure of speech is used not only on the basis of an assumption, but also to assert that you apparently did not learn Russian well at school, if you had it, of course.

And yes, my English is far from the best, so sorry.
 

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Continues to close with her alone in her bedroom at 2-3 am, then don't you think it's strange that Alice doesn't even mention this fact? Oh yeah, she doesn't remember anything.
This is the point at which the bad writing is rubbing off on you.
You seriously think that Eric would stop after only one failure, and never try again. You're an idiot.

She doesn't mention it, because she has no reason to.
She doesn't care that her mother's boyfriend is a scumbag trying to seduce her.

It is quite logical that since she does not remember the H event, then it did not exist with respect to her gaze. Because she can't lie about it.
You're assuming (still) that she's not lying about not remembering, when it's more logical that saying she couldn't remember was a lie to convince Max.

She also says that nothing happened when nothing really happened, which is basically a handy gag for both directions of the plot since I repeat she doesn't remember anything! She does not lie or tell the truth, this secret of her relationship with Eric remains only between Eric, Max and the Player. As well as the secret of Eric himself remains between Max, Kira and the Player.
You do realise the state someone would be in to have consumed enough alcohol for it affect their memory, right?
At no point have we seen Alice that drunk. At all.

There's more evidence that she lied about that, than there is for your assertion that she lies about nothing happening with Eric.

I'm watching you NTR connoisseur?
What the fuck are you even saying here?

Because for me this game has only elements of NTR, but is not NTR at its core
It doesn't have any ntr.
There are no love interests for Max, only "fuck interests". The closest thing to a love interest, is Lisa, purely down to them becoming (unofficial) boyfriend & girlfriend.

This figure of speech is used not only on the basis of an assumption, but also to assert that you apparently did not learn Russian well at school, if you had it, of course.
You're still writing gibberish. That figure of speech has absolutely nothing to do with what languages someone does or does not speak.

Given that I'm clearly not Russian, and don't speak (nor any interest in learning) Russian, then I'm obviously not from any country where it's a language that's taught in school. Which narrows it down to most likely be an English speaking country.
 

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This is the point at which the bad writing is rubbing off on you.
You seriously think that Eric would stop after only one failure, and never try again. You're an idiot.

She doesn't mention it, because she has no reason to.
She doesn't care that her mother's boyfriend is a scumbag trying to seduce her.



You're assuming (still) that she's not lying about not remembering, when it's more logical that saying she couldn't remember was a lie to convince Max.



You do realise the state someone would be in to have consumed enough alcohol for it affect their memory, right?
At no point have we seen Alice that drunk. At all.

There's more evidence that she lied about that, than there is for your assertion that she lies about nothing happening with Eric.



What the fuck are you even saying here?



It doesn't have any ntr.
There are no love interests for Max, only "fuck interests". The closest thing to a love interest, is Lisa, purely down to them becoming (unofficial) boyfriend & girlfriend.



You're still writing gibberish. That figure of speech has absolutely nothing to do with what languages someone does or does not speak.

Given that I'm clearly not Russian, and don't speak (nor any interest in learning) Russian, then I'm obviously not from any country where it's a language that's taught in school. Which narrows it down to most likely be an English speaking country.
It's funny to watch how the mani world of a person collapses and he goes into complete denial, moving on to an insult to the individual.

I would believe you if he tries to seduce her during the day, but he comes at 2-3 in the morning, when she usually sleeps, if they have nothing, then he must give her great discomfort with these visits.

The whole situation was smoothly brought by the author initially to this moment, there are no revelations that Alice can be used while she is intoxicated.

This is not about the average person in real life, but about a specific game character, to whom the author prescribed the condition that she loses her head even from a drop of alcohol and acts as an aphrodisiac with a convenient memory shutdown (this is another trigger for a fetish)

Do you think there is a lot of alcohol in 1 chocolate candy? However, it is enough for her to give her own brother a footjob during a massage.

You yourself began to stutter about NTR, apparently you have some kind of fad on this score.

And for the record, NTR does not imply that the characters must be a couple, this genre is somewhat deeper than just cheating. First of all, there is pressure on the feeling of jealousy, and on the feelings of jealousy of the player, and not the protagonist, since the protagonist himself is often not at all aware of any events taking place behind closed doors. And if incest is also attached to this case, then probably half of Japanese NTR games are based on the fact that your mother / sister is being fucked by a newly arrived stepfather / uncle or someone else.

About the figure of speech, this is not nonsense, the author of the game is Russian and originally wrote the text of the game in Russian, therefore it is not surprising that part of the text in another language may sound more vague when translated.
 
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It's funny to watch how the mani world of a person collapses and he goes into complete denial
Mani world????
Whatever auto-translate you're using is terrible. If you're not using one, then maybe you should, because that's definitely not an English language term.

If I'm in denial, then you're at the bottom of the amazon. ;)

And for the record, NTR does not imply that the characters must be a couple
Where did I say that it did?

Also, NTR is a catch-all term for three genres... For the record.

The whole situation was smoothly brought by the author initially to this moment, there are no revelations that Alice can be used while she is intoxicated.
There's nothing in this VN's writing that's done smoothly.
The only thing less smooth is your insistence, based upon no credible evidence whatsoever, that anything happened between Alice and Eric.

If you're taking Alice at her word regarding alcohol and her memory, then you have to take her at her word that nothing happens between her and Eric.
 

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Mani world????
Whatever auto-translate you're using is terrible. If you're not using one, then maybe you should, because that's definitely not an English language term.
Mani world, this is a Russian expression, I didn’t know for sure if you use it, I can paraphrase it as in the “world of dreams” or “the world of my own fantasies”
It doesn't have any ntr.
There are no love interests for Max, only "fuck interests". The closest thing to a love interest, is Lisa, purely down to them becoming (unofficial) boyfriend & girlfriend.
Where did I say that it did?
You yourself said that there is no NTR because they are not a couple, and that Max does not have a love interest, and I only emphasized that this is not a prerequisite.
Also, NTR is a catch-all term for three genres... For the record.
I'm aware of sub-genres to make it easier for "content" lovers to filter their interests, but that doesn't create a limitation on the genre itself.
There's nothing in this VN's writing that's done smoothly.
The only thing less smooth is your insistence, based upon no credible evidence whatsoever, that anything happened between Alice and Eric.
I have fully provided evidence and even built a logical chain for you, but you prefer to close your eyes and keep repeating that all this is not true. It's up to you and the fact that Eric used Alice thanks to Max is not going anywhere, as much as you would like it, but I can reassure you, this route is clearly not mandatory.
If you're taking Alice at her word regarding alcohol and her memory, then you have to take her at her word that nothing happens between her and Eric.
Are you losing the logical connection again or are you just trying to troll me?
She cannot lie or tell the truth as she has no memory of those events.
Eric only uses her when she's drunk, she doesn't know he's fucking her, of course she'll deny it.

ps. In addition, the route is clearly not completed, because her remark is an excellent stub that closes both route options.
 
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Mani world, this is a Russian expression, I didn’t know for sure if you use it, I can paraphrase it as in the “world of dreams” or “the world of my own fantasies”
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In other words, yet more gibberish.


You yourself said that there is no NTR because they are not a couple
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, because I said nothing of the sort.


I have fully provided evidence
You literally have not.
All you've given is your own supposition that's based entirely on Max's ill informed assumption and what you want to be happening combined with making shit up. That is not evidence.

Eric only uses her when she's drunk, she doesn't know he's fucking her, of course she'll deny it.
So now he's raping her?
Yeah, no. That's completely out-of-character for both of them.

ps. In addition, the route is clearly not completed, because her remark is an excellent stub that closes both route options.
Her remark about what?
Many things were abandoned during development. Not least of which is the mystery of the house and its first camera and the connection between Ann's ex-husband and Eric.
 

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Its time to stop this crap, if it is not shown then it did not happen.
What Max thinks happen is only what he thinks happen, like I said if its not shown it did not happen.

Now can we stop this bullshit or will you keep blasting each other.

This game was abandoned just like DS's first game so DS is batting 1000 on abandoning games and this will never be completed.
 

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In other words, yet more gibberish.
I'm sorry you're having trouble understanding basic things.
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, because I said nothing of the sort.
then what were you talking about?
It doesn't have any ntr.
There are no love interests for Max, only "fuck interests". The closest thing to a love interest, is Lisa, purely down to them becoming (unofficial) boyfriend & girlfriend.
You literally have not.
All you've given is your own supposition that's based entirely on Max's ill informed assumption and what you want to be happening combined with making shit up. That is not evidence.
As the saying goes, you can't prove it to the blind. And even more so if he lacks the concept of logic and causation.
So now he's raping her?
Yeah, no. That's completely out-of-character for both of them.
This can be called in different ways, it is quite a formulaic technique used by porn games, very often there is a "love potion" or a "mind control" tool, in this case alcohol is this tool.
Max doesn't neglect to use his sister in this way, so what's stopping Eric? After all, he was very pleased with this information.
Her remark about what?
Many things were abandoned during development. Not least of which is the mystery of the house and its first camera and the connection between Ann's ex-husband and Eric.
Yes, the point is that the game is abandoned and there are many ways to a dead end, such as corrupting the mother with the help of Eric or corrupting Alice with the help of a spanking for smoking.
But the vector of the game idea is still clearly visible almost immediately, although, as I noticed from the posts on this forum, not many people understood it, someone wants Eric to not exist at all, someone pulls the whole blanket towards NTR and sharing partners. But these should have been only possible options.
Regarding the father and the camera in the house, there is too little game plot to explain these events, so that clarifications would be made, this case is more suitable for the final twist.
However, the idea that Eric could theoretically be somehow connected with his father appeared to me from the very beginning and this is a very plausible option.
 

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Its time to stop this crap, if it is not shown then it did not happen.
What Max thinks happen is only what he thinks happen, like I said if its not shown it did not happen.
Are you using two accounts?

Then you can say that Kira is no porn star, we didn't see her being fucked in porn, even though she said something.

Then I suggest calling it "Schrödinger's Alice." Since I watch everything here, people are sensitive and everyone is so worried about even admitting the possibility that someone will touch girls other than MC
 

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Topic change:

I like Pasta. A good pasta cooked properly with a rich tomato sauce with ground beef. To improve the overall taste, I often add hot sauce to it. That is a personal choice. And some garlic. Love garlic. Either added directly to the pasta, or on bread with my meal. Delicious.
 

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Can anyone help me?
Im stuck in new job quest, I finished side effect and after I punished alice in front of kate, fucked her too and What must I do?
please someone help me
 
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