Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Ataios]

and while lesbians are evergreen in popularity, that is also something that women tend to enjoy more than men, according to the numbers.

I seriously doubt that. It can be savely assumed that there are more straight men liking lesbian porn, than there are lesbian women. Not everybody is honest about his gender on the internet (men with a fetish for lesbians being among the less honest groups here for obvious reasons).

 

[dutchpete]

@DarkSilver
I strongly believe in your abilities to deliver a fantastic game.
Despite all the negative comments on BB, it was commented on a lot so it was (alas, past tense) hugely popular.
When you take a look at a recent game like Twists of my Life you will see a game with great potential and without the so recently forbidden incest.
I am sure that you can write again a story full of drama and suspense that will be the standard other developers will have to look up to and I will follow it with interest.
Still life feels a bit emptier without Ann, Lisa, Alice, Kira and Olivia.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

I got a ban after all renders were finished, so I literally have no time to alter 0.13 content.

I get that, but I would consider, even if you have to do it on the side and release it on your own site, or here, or wherever to at least finish that up. Unless I am misunderstanding, Patreon said that you can't have BB on the site. I get that, and they are fucking you over. I feel awful for you and as someone making some cheese off Patreon right now, I worry about where things might go.

However, as you were planning to work on Glamour in the background, while you finished up BB, now that Glamour will be your main project, why not have BB on the back burner to at least bring it to some sort of conclusion? Patreon said you couldn't link to the game or mention it... that's fair. So, even if it takes a month or two to get that done on the back end, if fans know that it's coming, via your discord, or whatever, I think it will be a pretty good sign of solidarity.

I mean from what I understand Patreon can't shut you down for something that you do that is not affiliated with them.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

I seriously doubt that. It can be savely assumed that there are more straight men liking lesbian porn, than there are lesbian women. Not everybody is honest about his gender on the internet (men with a fetish for lesbians being among the less honest groups here for obvious reasons).

Of women who watch porn, more women prefer lesbian porn than men as a percentage. Now overall a LOT more men watch porn than women. So in straight numbers, of course more men watch Lesbian porn than women do. But Lesbian is still the most popular porn for women, followed by Gay male porn. At least according to the PornHub stats I read.

 

[DarkSilver]

@DarkSilver
I strongly believe in your abilities to deliver a fantastic game.
Despite all the negative comments on BB, it was commented on a lot so it was (alas, past tense) hugely popular.
When you take a look at a recent game like Twists of my Life you will see a game with great potential and without the so recently forbidden incest.
I am sure that you can write again a story full of drama and suspense that will be the standard other developers will have to look up to and I will follow it with interest.
Still life feels a bit emptier without Ann, Lisa, Alice, Kira and Olivia.

Two things
First - I do have some plans about BB characters in Glamour
Second - guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

 

[Hadgar]

guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

 

[pk2000]

Two things
First - I do have some plans about BB characters in Glamour
Second - guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

Question about Glamour... will you include the forbiden club where poor Eric ended as a slave? :evilsmile:

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

I said dominant. Another one is Shoujo manga (romance) that's highly popular. Maybe even more in fact. Those 2 are known as the only types of manga aimed entirely (almost) at females cuz mojority of their readers are females. Other types are aimed at males tho females still might like them. But that's about manga. If you look at erotic mangas it's much different and numbers will differ tho I doubt anything is as close to shoujo as yaoi. Regardless of that almost whole porn on this planet is aimed at males and games with female protags are aimed at males as well

You're ignoring the entire Josei manga market, which has been huge since at least the 1970s, and has always been very erotic, less hard core porn, and more sleazy romance novel, but still... and it's mainly straight porn, with a pretty sizable lesbian market, and of course yaoi too.

Shojo is like Shonen in that it has widespread appeal, across many age groups, even though ostensibly its target market is younger 10-16 year old girls. Josei is like Seinen manga and marketed to an older 20+ at least market.

 

[DarkSilver]

Question about Glamour... will you include the forbiden club where poor Eric ended as a slave? :evilsmile:

Lol

 

[Ataios]

Of women who watch porn, more women prefer lesbian porn than men as a percentage. Now overall a LOT more men watch porn than women. So in straight numbers, of course more men watch Lesbian porn than women do. But Lesbian is still the most popular porn for women, followed by Gay male porn. At least according to the PornHub stats I read.

So according to Pornhub's numbers, men watch more porn than women, but lesbian women watch more porn than straight women? Interesting, though I was rather refering to the straight numbers anyway, as they are propably more relevant to the developers than the percentages.

 

[Shanegrimes123]

Two things
First - I do have some plans about BB characters in Glamour
Second - guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

I think the reason people are not very opoptimistic is because in your statement you said you "may continue development if you find a site like patreon"

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

So according to Pornhub's numbers, men watch more porn than women, but lesbian women watch more porn than straight women? Interesting, though I was rather refering to the straight numbers anyway, as they are propably more relevant to the developers than the percentages.

Not necessarily lesbian women. We have no way to know the orientation of anyone watching porn. (We can guess, that's about it)

But again a certain number of women watch porn on pornhub.
Of those women who watch porn, lesbian porn is the most popular.
Also, a greater percentage of women like lesbian porn compared to the number of men who do.

Hey, I was surprised at the numbers too. Again, I'm not saying that men don't like lesbian porn, that would be silly.

Two things
First - I do have some plans about BB characters in Glamour
Second - guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

I'm glad to hear you say it, but when you say that 0.13 will be the final version unless essentially something miraculous happens... that doesn't sound good.

 

[Whitenicky]

So what in the end its going to happen to the page, got deleted? Atleast finish 0.13 patch

 

[Vayleton]

Two things
First - I do have some plans about BB characters in Glamour
Second - guys, be a bit more optimistic about BB destiny. Really.

I'm sorry to say, but putting the BB cast in a situation they would not be in had BB continued or seen. Be it sex scenes or just social. Is not something I'm interested in. But that is just me. Others will like that very much. It's sad to see BB disappear, no matter what might happen in the future.

I say, release the renders that did not make it into 0.13, then keep them just in case you might find a way to make another update X months from now. I hope you manage to find a way to keep making BB, but it seems not likely to happen for what I would say months. I hope I am wrong, and BB is back up next month or so.

 

[DarkSilver]

It really depends on many factors. I can't make a promise that BB updates will happens in next <put your term here>.

But they can.

 

[DarkSilver]

So what in the end its going to happen to the page, got deleted? Atleast finish 0.13 patch

I said it many times already. 0.13 will be finished and will be given to everyone as gift from me at next will

 

[Vayleton]

It really depends on many factors. I can't make a promise that BB updates will happens in next <put your term here>.

But they can.

I hope the sooner the better.

 

[emmasteadman]

I said it many times already. 0.13 will be finished and will be given to everyone as gift from me at next will

I've really enjoyed BigBrother DS, it's a shame it has to end at all. In light of Patreon though I can understand. I just hope someday soon, alternative solutions can be found that allow authors their expressive freedom and still earn a reward for their work.

 

[armion82]

I said it many times already. 0.13 will be finished and will be given to everyone as gift from me at next will

I hope you keep Alice as your signature even for the Glamour game.

 

[Ignazzio]

I AM looking at them as books. And as books, no sane publisher would let them out the door as they are. Hell I can even compare FSN to an actual set of novels written in the same universe. The 4 light novel set Fate: Zero tells a story that is AT LEAST as compelling as FSN in a fraction of the word count.

Even if we take the work of the sam Author, Kara no Kyoukai is far more economical in its use of language, and it shows. If it was a VN, it would probably be far... far... longer because the medium as a whole tends to have pacing issues. Again, FSN has roughly the word count of the ENTIRE Harry Potter series. Now, yes it has three different routes, which is something that would be very hard to do in a traditional novel, but even granting that. The pacing can be god awful at times, with large stretches of nothing happening. And FSN's word count is different than it would be in other games, because a player is likely to read ALL of it.

You also guaranteed I'll never touch Muv-Luv, 1.8 million words is ridiculous.

And before you say the genre isn't for me. I like VNs quite a lot, but that doesn't mean I am blind to the flaws that keep popping up in the genre. I think the last one I read that I felt was relatively tightly written was 999, and even that had a tendency towards pontification.

Ok. I guess we won't agree on that. I seriously can't find F/SN over written at any part. I could maybe say so about Tsukihime but not F/SN. But isn't that a bias towards long VNs(books?)? You're saying Muv-Luv is ridiculous just because it's very long while it's known as one of the top tier sci-fi VNs. If you would said so after playing it I could understand that but putted like that it seems to be a bias. If you like more tight texts it's fine but I can't say it's a flaw if Tolkien likes background decriptions to the extreme even tho I don't really like them.

I'm not saying that GGGB is played by a majority women, just that it has in it a lot of things that would be at home in female erotica or fan fiction, especially when you look at its male characters, the tropes used for its female ones and the like. It's not hard to explain either, as Eva is a female. As for Female characters. Hey I like playing as them, and we've had a decent number of normal and porn games with female leads, but if you are trying to go for the widest possible audience, you go with a male MC. The numbers simply back that up. In Mass Effect for example under 20% of players played the game as FemShep, who was by far the superior choice. In general, games with male only playable characters sell about 75% better than games with only female main characters. It is what it is.

Agree on that. GGGB might be enticing for females for sure. My point was that they are not at its aim. I wouldn't use Mass Effect example. Too many factors for male MC rather than female in this one. But I agree male MC in general is safer. I wouldn't say it's always better tho.

That isn't to say a game with a female main character can't do well, a lot of TF games, and games like GGGB do great. But unless the game breaks through to a new audience, I have trouble imagining a game with a Female MC getting to the levels that BB or SS hit.

A lot of guys visualize themselves as the main character, I know you do not, but a lot do. And a lot of guys don't want to see the character they are identified with reamed by a BBC for example. I'm not judging, I'm not saying don't make the game, I'm just saying, from a pure numbers perspective, dropping BB even on the side, and focusing on a new game with a Female MC is likely going to cost him a TON of money.

I agree that he will lose patrons. Only quality can tell but I wouldn't be surprised with more than half leaving him. But at this point I just can't say it will have anything to do with Glamour. It will have all to do with removing BB - game they supported for year. Real value of Glamour we can judge after a year of development imo.

Not really, if anyone dies a virgin I tend to find that more sad than anything.

What a times when purity has no value You know how strong personality she probably had to refuse her handsome, intelligent, charming and loving brother? Respect her for that

You're ignoring the entire Josei manga market, which has been huge since at least the 1970s, and has always been very erotic, less hard core porn, and more sleazy romance novel, but still... and it's mainly straight porn, with a pretty sizable lesbian market, and of course yaoi too.

Shojo is like Shonen in that it has widespread appeal, across many age groups, even though ostensibly its target market is younger 10-16 year old girls. Josei is like Seinen manga and marketed to an older 20+ at least market.

Fair point about Josei. I never could understand why girls like yaoi. Me sister likes it and it creeps me out:/ As for Shoujo it's such a blurred term (just like shounen) it's starting to lose its integrity. It's being harder to define it every year.

Lets stop this offtop

I hope you keep Alice as your signature even for the Glamour game.

He already changed it on Patreon. He has some dude there. Maybe it's DS