RPGM Completed Black Souls II [v1.13 Official translation] [Eeny, meeny, miny, moe?]

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Ogrexin said:
griffey's quests
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well shit, that's unfortunate

as for why; idk, why not. I just picked this game back up for the first time in like 2-3 years (played blind initially, had an absolute blast with the gameplay, had the same headscratcher moments as I'm sure most others also did about why did all my covenants suddenly disappear? etc...) but then didn't really have much motivation to ng+ at that time and follow a guide to get all the 'real endings' because the gameplay challenge would be completely gone from post-endgame screwing around in chaos dungeon. (very similar story with BS1, I remember only ever getting two endings; one "and everyone lived happily ever after... ?" and one where you go find the black trial, kill some characters for em, and then everyone claps (which I assumed was an evangelion reference at the time); I eventually heard afterwards that you 'need to kill all your companions' to collect all the fairy tales to get the "real" ending and find out that leaf is actually evil, but at that point I couldn't really be bothered, the "twist ending" was already an open secret, and there wouldn't really be any gameplay value since I had already 'beat all the dlc bosses' and going through the motions for the sake of miserywank didn't sound all that entertaining. anyways, I somewhat recently had a burst of motivation to come back and see it through, and went and got all the A-G endings, and have just been thinking more about BS2 in general and if there was a way to get the "OP isekai protag harem end" in spite of the grimdark

it's absolute for lorina to have to die, by your hand or hers, if you doit like that she wont even appear at the bridge
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just to be perfectly clear on what I'm suggesting, I'm talking about doing all the griffey interactions up to griff showing up on that bench, confirming she's on the bench, kidnapping lorina, and then going back to talk to her; would that make a difference at all? I'm not talking about making a beeline to lorina while ignoring griff; or would this not really make a difference because any change in lorina's availability to kill at any point during the chain will terminate griff's chain?
 
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Need assistance from folks who are familiar with the event flags in this game; I'm trying to brainstorm of there's a way to effectively... "have your cake and eat it too" which is to say; all heroines survive, and AS many scenes as possible collected, AS much content/sidequests/etc... as possible viewable IN A SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH (specifically ending H run, so we're not going to worry about collecting all tales [no need to kill golden goose], or any 'overworld' progression-related stat or gear checks as at this point you're ng+ 1-shotting bosses with standard attacks anywhere outside of DLC3/chaos dungeon [go anywhere at will, no need to seek out specific items for builds, or fight bosses in order of difficulty or current arsenal capability])

the kind of problems I'm trying to identify and solutions I'm trying to vet;

problem: JubJub
solution: I'm assuming you *could* covenant, max, view scenes, then imprison all in one go and that should prevent her from killing the others? this should work right?

problem: Griffey/Lorina
solution: my understanding of it is if you talk to Griffey at a certain point (on the bench outside the castle) she'll eventually kill Lorina, however if you DON'T talk to Griffey, then you don't get to finish Griffey's quest and you miss on some Griff/Turtle scenes; so like what if theoretically, you go covenant, max, view scenes, then imprison Lorina, would you be able to go and progress Griff's quest content and keep Lorina alive simultaneously?

problem: Shisha
solution: just don't smoke with more than once or whatever

problem: Kuti
solution: just don't sex

etc...

Who are the other heroines who have the potential to meet an untimely end, and what are the respective triggers? I'd imagine there are more than the few I listed above which are the ones that first come to mind and I have a vague grasp of the triggering conditions for. I'm just looking to consolidate the points that require consideration, and validate the proposed solutions; and hopefully put together a solid playbook to this end.
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Collecting hscenes is mostly moot since you can unlock them all once you get G end, unless you are including avoiding that as a condition. So, I will include hscenes in this list just in case. Also assuming you know how to complete subquests like gerda, vernai, pumpkin o, chickenrost, Griffy(tricky).
Yes, you could covenant Jub Jub, max it, see her hscenes (she and goose have a non-hscene post 10 progression though, lol), then jail her as long as this all happens before progress 10.
Kuti is only problematic if Jub Jub is still out and about after progress 10.
Jabberwock must die or be raped if you want to complete Vernai's quest but you can get all her scenes first then try to rape her then lose for yet another hscene and then ask Vernai for help (she'll disappear either way after this).
You have to kill Wolris to finish Oyster's quest.
There's a chance when viewing Dee's hscene outside the twin's room that you get caught and Dum dies but you could savescum this.
It is impossible to complete Griffy's quest and keep Lorina alive. Raping Lorina sets flag 382, which prevents Griffy from appearing in queensland.
Jack kills Mary the rabbit at progress 4, technically it happens when you enter her house at progress 4 or higher.
You can't get both lion and unicorn reward scenes in the same route. However it is possible to rape one of them, then follow the other's route to completion and rape them at end. However if you go the lion route after raping the unicorn, the unicorn route will be completely blocked off for the rest of the playthrough, blocking Sho. So rape lion, then go unicorn path. Doubly however, this prevents the reward scene of the unicorn (because there is no boss fight). So it's kind of a wash.
Node has an hscene locked behind the library lol
You obviously can't get all 3 Alices' spore forest and A end scenes in one playthrough. At best I think you could get 2, one in the ng playthrough to G end and another in the ng+ playthrough to H end.
Make sure you talk to march hare or mad hatter in wintertown before fighting unicorn or lion otherwise you won't be able to get the 4p scene.
Blackwell needs to be spoken to at the church(progress >=2) to be able to collect her letter at >=10 progress. However, using this letter to recruit Florence for the final boss also prevents getting Florence's hscenes.
Both Node and March Hare have a scene involving the bunny suit, of which there is only one in winterbell, but there is an exploit:if you equip the suit before talking to them you can keep it
Obviously, collecting a rape and jail scene will nullify your covenant.
I think that about covers everything.
 
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Perfect. not what I was "hoping to hear" but exactly the type of info I need, yeah perfectly aware of the 'unlock all' switch and have it available, but the overall goal was more of a 'thought experiment' about obtaining a theoretical "saccharine ideal ending"(rape and imprisonment notwithstanding) in an obviously intentionally 'grimdark' setting which desires sacrifices and melancholy

I wasn't really expecting that there was a "perfect" route, but I appreciate all the information provided about hard flag#s and progression state checks, exactly the stuff I'm looking for, you've given me one hell of a lot of useful information to digest, and my overall goal has not changed, I'm looking for an optimized "victory lap" harem protag playbook, maybe you can't save em all, and that's fine, just want to keep as many alive (and not caged) as possible, and you've given me a lot of solid info to work with. Thank you!

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Phenir pretty much already mentioned everything to look out for. The only other very specific side thing is doormouse special event when you 100% your prison/dungeon. But that wont happen as you said you dont want to jail everyone.

From my own attempt to get a 100% run.
Forgetting to bring the Duchess the food item. Which means a boss encounter + breaks down the follow up questchain with Jack-O-Lantern. Had to reset 2 times.
The somewhat invisible progress trigger like the catacombs lever, Alice forest event at P0, getting past the guards of the maze & entering upper lutwidge from the south.
Forgot 0 SEN for Red because i ran trough the Eat me/Drink me hole on a NG+. Lost 2 hours of progess.
Similar to Vernai & Jabberwock. If you got Red at the beginning! There is a special interaction with the boss Iron Maiden/Elizabeth at the pond of blood.

You can only really get like 96% all done in one run.
Becaues of hard choices like Oyster & Wolris
Griffin & Lorina.
Either leave them in questchain limbo or fullfill their quest.

In hindsight it wouldve been cool if getting Jabberwork, Bandersnatch & JubJub covenants to 3 unlocks a special scene with them.
 
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Toro dropped a new image on X(Twitter).
Red has some yuri action going on in DRH.
Then again her face in that scene seems not amused.

Sidenote not sure why but the black haired child gives me red flag vibes since their first blogpost.
Either dies in a critical moment or betrays us.
 
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Omnom88 said:
Toro dropped a new image on X(Twitter).
Red has some yuri action going on in DRH.
Then again her face in that scene seems not amused.

Sidenote not sure why but the black haired child gives me red flag vibes since their first blogpost.
Either dies in a critical moment or betrays us.
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DRH seems to be prequel of BS2. is it?
red hood seems younger then her in BS2
 
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reinyakuragi said:
DRH seems to be prequel of BS2. is it?
red hood seems younger then her in BS2
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Going back to 2022. The last overall statement was that DRH will start before BS2 leading into it.
Nothing new since then. Its unknown if this will still be the case or dev changed their mind.

Not really sure what gives you the impression Red Hood is younger. Toros artstyle just evolved over the years. In fact in some blogpost artwork Red seems taller. To be honest i am not sure if Red could even grow in the first place.
 
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Hmm hmm hmm~
Are they imitating each other ;3 ?
I wonder why~
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That's like, the credit card of all outer ones. Baphomet was doing it in BS1, before it became a mainstream. :LOL:
 
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I got some interesting material for cooking. Wanna taste~ ?
But be careful!~
It may burn your mind a little :3

"Hey, listen~ they don't want to know truth, why do you care then~ ?"
"Who said I'm telling truth :3 ? I do so love to lie as well~"
"Hihihi!~ imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness~"
"Tsk, aren't you the same?"
"...I guess you need some more tortures~"
"...~"
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