RPGM Blessing of the Elven Village [v0.3.0] [DragonMommyRhea]

[Shining Salmon]

Write the story you want to write dev. It's one thing if you were just tacking on a fetish to attract different audiences, but if it's truly something you wanted to incorporate into the game then follow the vision you have for it. Don't let people worm their way into your head just because they don't like a fetish. As long as you're invested in what you're writing, it shouldn't be a problem to make it work.

 

[Gojii]

because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side?

To be a direct as possible with you dude... Yes.

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Anyhow, all the best, I'll give this one a look. Forgive my skepticism, but as much as some find vanilla boring, I find cuck pov NTR (as cited something you previously stated you weren't a fan of) equally boring/predictable which seems like that is what the NTR will likely be (I've gotten dull/disinterested in NTR over the past 3-5 years, as the plots rhyme at best and are otherwise appallingly uninspired cash grabs).

I'd be glad to discuss with you further if you'd like in DMs or in here as well if that's better. Whichever is convenient for you. Best regards.

 

[Æяiк]

NTR Tag

 

[Harick]

full save please!

 

[kryanBR]

Where is the game walkthrough? Ive already talked to all the NPCs but no battles have started yet.

NTR Tag

Would it be possible in the future to divide this tag into sub tags? Because NTR has 4 variations Netorare, Netori, Netorase and Netoraserare. I love Netorare but when I download a Netorare game where Im forced to play with a useless MC, I drop the game, and I know other people here do too.

 

[Xic]

I played a fair bit of this (admittedly cheating for money and activity points) so while I can't talk too much about the game balance, here's my thoughts so far.

• If the upcoming NTR is supposed to be avoidable, just mostly related to whether or not a girl loses against a goblin, then right off the bat the tutorial seems like it shatters that whole "avoidable" premise. The goblin boss, despite his lower accuracy, always attacks for more than the max HP of any of the girls, which would presumably mean that you'd need to get ridiculously lucky and have him not get any hits in at all if you wanted to avoid an NTR scene there. (That being said, in the tutorial it just seemed like the girl was left at one HP and managed to finish him off, but that could be special circumstances?)
• I realize there's been plenty of debate on the whole vanilla/NTR deal, but I feel like NTR just... doesn't fit the vibe of the game, at all. Netorare/cuckoldry scenarios feel like they work best when it deals with one specific female character who "falls" in some way or another, especially to multiple sources and/or in unique ways. The issue is that with this harem setup (and with this many girls in the harem itself), you're either not giving as much of a shit if one girl (especially if she's one who isn't your favorite) gets fucked, or it has to go completely bonkers and find a way to cuck you with every goddamn girl in the harem.
• Related to these last points, the NTR being caused by goblins? It works, it's a classic, not my thing (not that most forms of NTR are my thing in the first place) but it works for the setting. The stuff where it'd be the human guys in the village taking advantage of the women? Fucking stupid and almost contradictory to the game itself. When you're first going through the tutorial (before the first combat) and during some of the conversations, the men are presented as being like, a nice outlier to most other humans who actively seek to take advantage of elves for one reason or another. But then they get offended/frustrated/etc. if you ask them to help defend the village they live in from an active threat, using the magitech armor that they apparently just have? And they're supposed to take that out by harassing the women or something? Get the fuck out of town then! Aside from the one dude running the store, these ungrateful assholes are useless.
• All of the girls are pretty hot, I love the variety (even if they're all mostly the same body shape). Honoka is a particular stand-out to me because most porn games wouldn't even think of including a character like a triple amputee, even with her cool cyber-legs. (And they're not even like, "sexy" cyber-legs but she makes them hot.)
  • My only complaint is with all of the Japanese-sounding names. I get that anime aesthetics usually don't care if characters "look" Japanese, but even knowing the lore of how the elves were wiped out almost everywhere but "the East," most of these characters just... don't look like they should have names like "Shiori" and "Tsugumi."
  • Speaking of Tsugumi, I know she had the surgery to get her elven ears reduced to human length or whatever, but I'm hoping with her further events and awakening as a sage she gets them back. Feels disappointing to have such a knockout concept like "hot elf gilf" but then she doesn't really look like an elf at all.
• I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but considering what's planned for this game definitely isn't something that most people are into anyways... I wanna see some lesbian stuff. Either two girls from the village/harem doing something together (Kaida performing a "checkup" on another girl, maybe) or even female enemies like monster girls that the village women could lose to and get corrupted by.
• Gameplay-wise, it could stand to be less complicated. I know I cheated for activity points and money but that's because the constant juggling of spending time with girls, trying to train them up (gonna echo some of the others in this thread here and say the RNG stat leveling fucking blows), making sure the village is defended... I dunno, it's all too much. (The amount of characters to keep track of and manage certainly doesn't help.)

What do you mean you cheated?

 

[f95guest389]

full save please!

Full save for v0.2.1a, slot 11. You'll load into the gallery, there are additional repeatable scenes available via talking to Koyoko, Honoka, & Nozomi in the overworld on certain days of the week.

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[istlover08]

Would it be possible in the future to divide this tag into sub tags?

good news the NTR tag is already divided in f95 netorare, cheating (netori), and swinging (netorase) no clue what the last one is though


also also separate thought harem games with ntr even fully avoidable ruins the game very quickly for harem enjoyers generally best to choose one or the other

 

[mtuytj]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

To some people the answer is yes - look at how people are with Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon. A lot of people refuse to look at the earlier Game of Thrones seasons (which were well written) or won't give House of the Dragon a chance because of the ending of Game of Thrones. Does the ending of Game of Thrones make the rest of the series or related series worse? No, of course not. But it ruins the taste and permanently put a lot of people off the franchise as a whole. I think it's a similar sort of thing. Sorry if I haven't worded this well.

 

[Xic]

I dont know if i missed it or something, but is there a way to get more activity points?

 

[Torpower0]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

I've always found it hilarious how as soon as NTR is mentioned in a game, it seems to be the majority of the discussions and complaints. If that's what the creator wants to add to the game that THEY are making, then it is their decision. Play the game if you want, don't if it isn't your cup of tea. I have always been more of a vanilla sort of person, but NTR done through loss or clear decisions can be done quite tastefully. At the end of the day, do what you want with your game. Listening to criticism can help add solid features or tweak good ideas into great ones, but don't let trolls push you in a direction you don't want. The models are beautiful, the animations are smooth, and the story and game itself clearly has thought and effort put into it. Great start so far, I definitely enjoy what you've made.

 

[kryanBR]

also also separate thought harem games with ntr even fully avoidable ruins the game very quickly for harem enjoyers generally best to choose one or the other

Some of them are not. We are still forced to play with a useless protagonist who only watches. I saw that there are developers, even in Japan, who are starting to separate the variants are NTR, because even they know there are differences.

 

[Gojii]

I've always found it hilarious how as soon as NTR is mentioned in a game, it seems to be the majority of the discussions and complaints. If that's what the creator wants to add to the game that THEY are making, then it is their decision. Play the game if you want, don't if it isn't your cup of tea. I have always been more of a vanilla sort of person, but NTR done through loss or clear decisions can be done quite tastefully. At the end of the day, do what you want with your game. Listening to criticism can help add solid features or tweak good ideas into great ones, but don't let trolls push you in a direction you don't want. The models are beautiful, the animations are smooth, and the story and game itself clearly has thought and effort put into it. Great start so far, I definitely enjoy what you've made.

Generally I agree with your take but I get the reason whysome get pissy about NTR being put in a game pitched as harem/vanilla:

"The notion that the LIs not only COULD but WILL be in future updates changes how the player perceives them. (They're prone to turning on the MC, even killing him in one idea you kicked around in particular is a big turnoff for them that the LIs would even do that at all). "

That's where the turnoff is for them best I can tell. Those who want NTR get what they want (the LIs will be corrupted by someone other than the player in the end) where those wanting vanilla/harem don't have "pure/wholesome" characters (in their POV) that they want.

Having separate universes/sets of characters (its koikatsu assets, quick outfit/hair/name/etc swap for the NTR one, problem solved) rather than the same one would be ideal for both. Then both games can go HEAVY into the wholesome/corrupted without holding back. Ws all around and the drama/BS is done with.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

"The notion that the LIs not only COULD but WILL be in future updates changes how the player perceives them. (They're prone to turning on the MC, even killing him in one idea you kicked around in particular is a big turnoff for them that the LIs would even do that at all). "

See that argument I get some of the time. Some games it's really bad where the LI is a total slut on the NTR route and the romance route is a landmine filled slow burn that you can lose way too easily. That bothers me too.

That's not what happens here though. Here, the NTR route is predicated on magic corruption powers destroying the women's connection with their goddess and corrupting them to intentionally dilute their bloodlines with men and goblins. It's kinda hard to hold it against them for turning into NTR heroines in a hypothetical future where they're made the victims of corruption magic that basically mind controls them into being sluts. That's entirely a failure of the MC for not doing his job as his Goddess's champion in securing their future and keeping them safe, not a failure of morality from the LIs.

 

[Gojii]

See that argument I get some of the time. Some games it's really bad where the LI is a total slut on the NTR route and the romance route is a landmine filled slow burn that you can lose way too easily. That bothers me too.

That's not what happens here though. Here, the NTR route is predicated on magic corruption powers destroying the women's connection with their goddess and corrupting them to intentionally dilute their bloodlines with men and goblins. It's kinda hard to hold it against them for turning into NTR heroines in a hypothetical future where they're made the victims of corruption magic that basically mind controls them into being sluts. That's entirely a failure of the MC for not doing his job as his Goddess's champion in securing their future and keeping them safe, not a failure of morality from the LIs.

I'm largely in agreement with you, but at that point if what you say is the premise (you're not the dev so, my apologies if it comes across as rude, but it sounds like mere speculation on your part of how he will make the game, given he hasn't even made it yet) then why even bother with pitching it as a harem/vanilla/wholesome game at all? Just have the duality of outcomes in from the start.

Also it sounds like the NTR one (if it will be as you describe) is just one big L simulator then if MC has no way to intervene, which is boring asf.

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[Mommysbuttslut]

I'm largely in agreement with you, but at that point if what you say is the premise (you're not the dev so, my apologies if it comes across as rude, but it sounds like mere speculation on your part of how he will make the game, given he hasn't even made it yet) then why even bother with pitching it as a harem/vanilla/wholesome game at all? Just have the duality of outcomes in from the start.

Also it sounds like the NTR one (if it will be as you describe) is just one big L simulator then if MC has no way to intervene, which is boring asf.

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I think it's one part the dev just didn't do a good job researching the market, and one part that he actually enjoys both content paths and wanted to make both. He also made the point that good NTR should be played against a good existing relationship, so he wants the vanilla route in place first so that people who want a more masochistic approach can build up the sense of losing a meaningful relationship and not just losing a potential one can. At that point you might as well also implement win conditions for people who want to avoid the NTR which gives us the harem vanilla route.

Also from what he's said about it it does sound like you probably could fight against the NTR on the NTR route. Avoid using the village men for the defense minigame as much as possible and don't let the girls lose to horny goblins and as I understand it MC shouldn't be getting cucked even if NTR is enabled, not sure how that'd look in the big picture though. Personally I think the best route forward given that it's too late to change the premise into either a pure harem or a pure NTR game would be to compartmentalize the NTR into either a DLC or a sort of spin off with the base game and the NTR content in it.

 

[Noasamanda]

This game so messy. Invisible wall. Black screen. In joiplay much worse. Not all image rendered some were missing. Didn't know where a walk or furniture. Animation black screen. Bla. Bla bla. See you in 140 years

 

[icollectsouls]

I think it's one part the dev just didn't do a good job researching the market, and one part that he actually enjoys both content paths and wanted to make both. He also made the point that good NTR should be played against a good existing relationship, so he wants the vanilla route in place first so that people who want a more masochistic approach can build up the sense of losing a meaningful relationship and not just losing a potential one can. At that point you might as well also implement win conditions for people who want to avoid the NTR which gives us the harem vanilla route.

Also from what he's said about it it does sound like you probably could fight against the NTR on the NTR route. Avoid using the village men for the defense minigame as much as possible and don't let the girls lose to horny goblins and as I understand it MC shouldn't be getting cucked even if NTR is enabled, not sure how that'd look in the big picture though. Personally I think the best route forward given that it's too late to change the premise into either a pure harem or a pure NTR game would be to compartmentalize the NTR into either a DLC or a sort of spin off with the base game and the NTR content in it.

All this talk about just how optional the NTR content will be, how that optional part will actually be implemented, etc. really makes things feel... overambitious? For lack of a better term?
The game itself, as it stands now, is already fairly ambitious and has quite a bit going on already. We're talking:

• A story that's set itself up for a fairly grand clash of good vs. evil where the evil is quickly growing stronger and the good side has to swiftly react to that
• A sizeable fifteen-girl harem (plus one if the goddess gets involved somehow), with the game already having or all-but-promising:
  • Multiple relationship events with each girl with sexual content past certain relationship levels
  • Unique pictures acquired after each event via the in-game phone
  • Unique pictures for minor events involving each girl, like the picnics you can go on for minor relationship boosts
  • Like, six different workout animations for each girl? Three with regular clothes and three with the workout clothes (even if the latter is just an outfit swap)
  • Equal development for all fifteen girls
  • Presumably, with NTR content implemented, a plethora of scenes related to that for all fifteen girls?
• An RNG-heavy combat and leveling system that the player has little-to-no control over, besides maybe "pick the right girl to fight a certain enemy"

And that's all from what appears to be a solo dev's first project. I just hope the dev can handle working on all that without getting burnt out too quickly and the game never reaches even half the potential that it could.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

All this talk about just how optional the NTR content will be, how that optional part will actually be implemented, etc. really makes things feel... overambitious? For lack of a better term?
The game itself, as it stands now, is already fairly ambitious and has quite a bit going on already. We're talking:

• A story that's set itself up for a fairly grand clash of good vs. evil where the evil is quickly growing stronger and the good side has to swiftly react to that
• A sizeable fifteen-girl harem (plus one if the goddess gets involved somehow), with the game already having or all-but-promising:
  • Multiple relationship events with each girl with sexual content past certain relationship levels
  • Unique pictures acquired after each event via the in-game phone
  • Unique pictures for minor events involving each girl, like the picnics you can go on for minor relationship boosts
  • Like, six different workout animations for each girl? Three with regular clothes and three with the workout clothes (even if the latter is just an outfit swap)
  • Equal development for all fifteen girls
  • Presumably, with NTR content implemented, a plethora of scenes related to that for all fifteen girls?
• An RNG-heavy combat and leveling system that the player has little-to-no control over, besides maybe "pick the right girl to fight a certain enemy"

And that's all from what appears to be a solo dev's first project. I just hope the dev can handle working on all that without getting burnt out too quickly and the game never reaches even half the potential that it could.

Yes, which is probably why he originally planned on not developing NTR content until the vanilla game was entirely finished. It makes it feel like a lot less work and means progress develops relatively a lot faster to not develop what's essentially 2 games simultaneously and instead just add NTR content to an otherwise finished project. It is definitely a very ambitious project for any dev, but especially a first time one.

 

[Gojii]

It's kinda hard to hold it against them for turning into NTR heroines in a hypothetical future where they're made the victims of corruption magic that basically mind controls them into being sluts.

Vanillabros and even others that aren't vanilla only types aren't going to like characters that turn on and murder the MC no matter how much its explained.

As much as you want to chalk it up to plot devices, they're just going to pass hard on that. Personally I find that aspect disdainful myself. Its a whole different layer of betrayal type stuff I'm turned off by than just becoming a fucktoy for the antagonists.

He also made the point that good NTR should be played against a good existing relationship, so he wants the vanilla route in place first so that people who want a more masochistic approach can build up the sense of losing a meaningful relationship and not just losing a potential one can. At that point you might as well also implement win conditions for people who want to avoid the NTR which gives us the harem vanilla route.

Personally I think the best route forward given that it's too late to change the premise into either a pure harem or a pure NTR game would be to compartmentalize the NTR into either a DLC or a sort of spin off with the base game and the NTR content in it.

All of this is why I think it'd be better served separating them into different universes and sets of characters. Go all in on harem/vanilla/wolesome etc whatever for one, go in for the NTR and brutal stuff with another set of characters. Simple name and character design swap. Its koikatsu assets for them and a quick tweak to pull off. No need to hold back with either for the content then.

Its not like people who want the NTR content are harmed by it, unless their entire motivation is obsessing over the characters players who would like a vanilla path end up corrupted/betray the MC. Which is just as obnoxious/petty a reason for wanting NTR as I can think of. Two separate instances, both get the kind of games they'd enjoy, win win.