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I get it, yet I still can't just take it lying down. Shitheads posting in all threads going "Urrr Duuur All Game Dev Scamming Brrrrr" makes me want to give them the lovely Christmas gift of a swift kick to the balls. Pretty much every time, they know jack shit about game making but pretend they know all of it, for the sole reason of trying to destroy projects. Not to eliminate rivals, mind you. No. They couldn't make shit themselves. Just to be disruptive and destructive, because it's they only way they get it up for they daughter-sister.
And that pisses me off especially when it's directed toward devs who not only make a good project, but put work into it (instead of slapping out yet another HTML-Real-Life-Porn game with the most gonzo-ey of scenario), all the while having less time to work on said game than other devs who could quit their job and flaunting to do so.
Those people are shitheads and I'm not about to stop slapping them back for their underserved bullshit.
They want to shit on a dev that deserve it ? There's quite a few of those.
Everyone can have his opinion but when you attack people and insult them for stating their opinion, you are still in the wrong. There are hundreds no even thousands of similar indie games that are comparable to Bones tales and 95% of those games have a faster development cycle than this game with bigger updates than bones tales and every 2-3 months. One small update with barely any content every 6-9 months is not considered fast nor is it considered average or standard when it comes to the game making industry. Whole games with its own written engine were developed by single developers faster than bones tales with its rpg maker engine till now. Good example is Stardew Valley where Barone programed the whole game from scratch in 4 1/2 years. Where he made his own art, programmed the game engine from ground up with C#, drew every single asset single handedly instead of just using rpg maker assets, made the music and literally everything by himself and the game had a 100 times more content as well. Now look at Bones Tales where the rpg maker engine was already written, background assets already from rpg maker available, music not made for the game and only characters and story needs to be made and still is already in the making for 3 1/2 years and will with current development progress take another 4-5 years to finish. Would have Barone developed his game at the same speed, it would have taken him 40-50 years.
So no, people just saying what they think and who are theoretically even correct are not shitheads for doing so. Keep your opinion to yourself if you can`t express it without insulting others just because they aren`t riding on your horse. Arguing is fine but you are constantly below the belt with your comments and that is what I consider childish and dumb.
I don`t like arguing about trivial stuff that you can`t change like game development, but when people like you heavily insult others for having their own opinion and act like you know your stuff even so you get your facts totally wrong, then that is what pisses me of. If you say they are in the wrong and the game development is in your opinion normal speed then that is fine and your opinion, but when you go under the belt and start insulting people left and right then maybe you should stop reading comments or using the internet as a whole, because you aren`t mature enough for it.
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The thing is, I agree with you but you have to realize those are the same devs that ruined it for majority of everyone else. I agree people should be able to spend their money how they want, but also you can't get mad at the people that are questioning if the dev is being 100%. No need to drop names but we've seen countless times where games get abandoned or release dates get "pushed back" as if they aren't already done to collect more money and that ruins it for other devs who actually need the support to do a project that's actually worth the money.
So, yeah you're right in a sense but if we all had that same mentality of "let's just keep on waiting and not question where the money is going to." You will see a lot more cash-grab games with no backing.
And that's not even a hit to bones or any other dev but those devs that "deserve" the hate also has the most support by the people that feel like it's fine to get milked for half a year for 5 minutes of content when it was worked on for a few weeks.
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If all this shitstorm from you started from my "the longer the updates, the longer the revenue" i do gotta say, my man bones here used to update from time to time before the patreon stuff-six month delay cause the incest-big-no-no and all that shit
Disturbs me, after all, our o' good Dr. Bones keeps earning about 2k (3k molah between subscribestar and patreon after all xD atm) to keep reworking stuff, keep up to minimum updates. Im not knowleadgeable at RPG maker stuff, coding and all about that, but i remember that time when he used to upload superb stuff, awesome scenes and he wasnt earning that much to keep a full time job out of this (cus if we remeber, he saying this was going to be a full time job for him above 2k per month was a thing) and what we get? reworks, trying to not push that much as earlier updates and still, without patreon incest PROBLEMAS as before, up to six month updates FOREVER.
Im not a patreon, honestly he wont get a penny out of me, i do bitch around all and laugh out of white knights, harly insult anyone and do you know who i think deserves support and full patreon income?
My man
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This guy develops a free game for everybody who wants to try it, no cost, no 15$ dollar a month paywall for first day update, works in pixel art BY HIS OWN, you can tipjar him if you want, less than 5$ dolar a month, if you wanna, he released a game like 1 year ago, he was promoing it, he sold it, like 10$ for a full game, not and 3rd party software like RPG maker that should already make your life easier.
He keeps his project by his own, keeps uploading good stuff to everyone.
And then in the other hand we got our good doctor bones
15 dolar a month for a up to day release update if you want to play a 6 month update for like 8 reworks, 2 new scenes with 8 variants and one secret scene.
i dont really know what to feel about those guys who keep supporting him with 15$ dollars a months, with good games like zells bro out there for waaaaaaaay less money a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more effort put in a game
keep bitching about supporting bones, ill keep coming here to remark that our used-to-be-a-good-doctor-bones is happy with working on a MINIMUM effort update up to six ( or way more) months updates and people keep spreading their ass to support him.
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That's where I can immediatly stop you. This isn't an "industry". Big wigs of the indie scene like Stardew's devs and the like, yeah, those level basically sprouted an "indie industry", sure. But small teams -and not even that, most often they are pretty much singular people with an artist comisionned to the side- that make smut games like those aren't anywhere near the level to be qualified as an "industry", nor can they be compared to one another. They don't make the same amount of money, don't get the same amount of work per hour, etc.
It's like comparing your local school team to the NFL.
There is a way of stating an opinion. Saying "I think the dev could be faster with updates" or "The delays are pretty long for what little each update gives" is an opinion. The amount of people I see going from thread to thread saying "dev is scamming people, dev hides lots of update done to milk money, dev is bad" isn't stating an opinion. It's attacking someone livelyhood and/or passion project (depending on the case) for no other reason that attacking something and be disruptive/desctructive.
Now yes, my wording was shit. That I'll admit. I'm not in the right mental space to be nice with people I consider aren't deserving it. One could argue I shouldn't post anything then, but yet again, those people aren't holding back on their baseless accusations either.
I didn't say this was the normal speed of game development. I said every dev of smut game has a different situation and, therefore, different amount of time availiable to work on said game, as well as not all of them having a team to work on their game.
The thing is, I'm not mad at those who question things. I'm mad at those that go around spreading bullshit baseless accusation like every single dev under the pixelated sun is scamming people for a quick thousands of dollars for no update and imply a game could be completed in a month.
Like I mentionned earlier, people can have a negative opinion without being shitheads about it. It's a matter of how it's put out.
So I take it that you know everything there is to know about Bones' personal life then. You know and see that he's sitting on his ass watching his bank account grows laughing like a freaking Hutt while sipping on the tears of frustrated backers.
It's always the same. You're quick to throw that "it's obvious" but don't give a flying fuck about the fact that the dev is a human being with their potentiel own problems. After all, you want your content, so why care about anything else, right ?
Oh and before you call me white knighting for my hero that I support wholeheartedly or something : I've never put a single cent in any campaign. The difference is that I know a lot of devs start simply because they have an idea they want to work on, and if that idea can help them pay the bills, the better. I get it, because I'd do the same if my skillset went farther than just writting. Most of the time, they put ours of their free time into something other feel entitled to. Time they could choose to do other stuff, like spend with their family, friend, play other games, learn a skill, etc. Hell, some of them even actually take fucking courses to make their game better, courses that aren't always free.
But you clearly showed you have a hard time understanding that someone else work and efforts should be rewarded, and they shouldn't be expecting to work for free. I'd go so far as to presume you might be american, since that mindset seems very common out there. So yeah, your hero Zel might be amazing for not asking a single cent for what he does. I'm not debating that. But don't go around implying all devs should be the same but don't because they're greedy and should work for free or for "exposure".
There's no greater insult to a creative person that say their work shouldn't be rewarded.
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You are aware that Barone programmed Stardew Valley completely alone? He didn`t even hire an artist or anything, he made the music, the art, the story, the pogramming everything alone. A one person project without any funding and it was his first game ever made. He started Stardew Valley after he got his university degree because he couldn`t find another job and that was his way to hone his programming skills. Barone just planted his ass on his chair and programmed from his own home the whole game. That is why I used this game specifically as an example.
So much to "bigwigs of the industry" and "small teams".
That is why I suspect when looking at Bones Tales in comparison to other one man indie developers, that the dev stretches the game progress on purpose to keep cashing in that sweet monthly subscriber money while doing very little work for it. Because when the game is done, people will stop subscribing. I could be wrong and I don`t want to badmouth any people without being 100% sure and that is why I only say "suspect" with reservation, but that slow of a progress needs a reason beside "Game making is such a long and hard progress". Yeah it is a long and hard progress, but not so long to not finish an rpg maker game the like of Bones Tales in over 3 years.
And all that above is just "my" opinion.
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only thing you can really be a lttle bothered bout bones is: he dont ports the Manor to a newer engine..... or implements mouse control. That are really low efford steps but would improve the game enormous . All the rest: noone is forced at gunpoint to support the game. So if someone feels scammed, he should look in the mirror first 
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As an RPG MV player i do feel curious about why the doctor of the BONES don't port the manor to such engine?!
Don't get me wrong there's games like opala that uses even prior engines to the current one being used to manor tales. but i guess it be nice to see this game having that RPG MV feature to control the character to move on click with the mouse
So here is a question i been curious about the game ¿Can Lucile be having yoga scenes in a near future? since she also have yoga outfit when interacting with martha on her room so i'm feeling a bit of curiosity on this
Don't get me wrong there's games like opala that uses even prior engines to the current one being used to manor tales. but i guess it be nice to see this game having that RPG MV feature to control the character to move on click with the mouse
So here is a question i been curious about the game ¿Can Lucile be having yoga scenes in a near future? since she also have yoga outfit when interacting with martha on her room so i'm feeling a bit of curiosity on this
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i am just waiting and i hope there is no one going to get in the mc's way. to qout an old saying all your bases be long to us lol. i think that was how it went.
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Wow. So that makes my whole argument totally false and impossible because I happened to chose the one wrong example ? Learn to read between the lines.
See, that's stating an opinion. "I suspect", "I think", "I wonder if". Not "dev bad dev scam all bash dev and piss on game because me mad". You don't put your opinion as an universal fact. You state it as what you alone think without putting it out as something that is "obviously true" just because you post about it.
That's an opinion that can be respected.
I disagree, as I think not all dev for those types of games have an equal base of skill/time/motivation and such (espcially during a two years pandemic which doesn't seem like it's gonna end anytime soon), and I also enjoy the game enough that I hope it's just a matter of those factors. I might be wrong, you might be right. But you stating your opinion this way makes me want to respect that easier than those who come screaming like fucking doomsday prophets.
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