RubyZeronyka

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I do think at its core its a better system, just needs the in game explanation and have more impact. Having it reflect what you just did would make the most sense.
Rank 2 would raise the base stat ranks of that species globally (EEE foxen becomes DDD foxen)
Rank 3 would boost the odds of seeing rank 2 traits in the wild for that species
Rank 4 higher levels globally
Rank 5 would boost the odds of seeing rank 3 traits

The game also needs to add complimentary systems for improving the MC, stuff to spend cash on other than barns like maybe a gym for the MC to get traits at for a cost.
Minor but the daily breeding task thing needs some tweaking, it only seems ask for mid-end game stuff.
Knowing Derelict, if he even adds something like that it would be a mandatory step for dealing with stats now being 60 times harder to match than the previous update.
 

eldereye

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So here are the ways to rise essence, found in this thread in one single post.

1 -> 2: Breed a higher level stat that doesn't natively appear on a species, for example D Aptitude on Foxen
2 -> 3: Breed a tier 2 trait associated with the species
3 -> 4: Get a level 42
4 -> 5: Breed a tier 3 trait associated with the species

essence 1-2-3
essence 4-5

  • Foxen - Swift
  • Vulvarg - Hornball
  • Risu - Hornball
  • Bovaur:
    • Mares - Swift ? (unconfirmed)
    • Bulls - Hung
    • Ayrshire - Fertile
    • Minotars - Hornball
  • Dragon:
    • Wyverns - Hedonist
    • Drakes - Stoic
  • Titan -
  • Thriae -
  • Sylvan -
  • Formurian -
  • Harpy -
  • Neko - Nypmho
  • Starfallen -
  • Seraphim -
  • Demon:
    • Succubus - Nymphomania
    • Cambion - Busty
Titans' E3 trait seems to be Enlarged.
 
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quarzo

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like more than a year i dont play this, a bit sad dev decide dont add more male races. for other side, the botntool works? (9.1?) i add some trait to the npc, then press save, but i dont see it in game
 

Ver Greeneyes

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I'm a newbie when it comes to breeding games and reading all of this stuff about essence level leaves me wondering: What's the reward for all this grinding? What do attributes and aptitudes actually do other than making numbers go up? Do more interesting Nephelym spawn if you raise the essence levels? I'd love to see a comparison between Nephelym on a fresh save and Nephelym on a late game save, if there are big differences.
 

zeltop

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I'm a newbie when it comes to breeding games and reading all of this stuff about essence level leaves me wondering: What's the reward for all this grinding? What do attributes and aptitudes actually do other than making numbers go up? Do more interesting Nephelym spawn if you raise the essence levels? I'd love to see a comparison between Nephelym on a fresh save and Nephelym on a late game save, if there are big differences.
there aren't any benefits, the system is pretty dumb you can go through the game completly ignoring essence mechanics. its just a completionist thing i guess? oh the random spwans will have slightly higher level traits
 
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I'm running an older version, 07569A, are there still cheat codes? Also will my previous saves work on the newest version or do I have to restart? Asking since I want 1 save for "sandbox mode" and 1 save to actually play the game through.

Also are there different cloth options for the characters besides the default?
 

RubyZeronyka

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I tried a gameplay yesterday on the last version before the UI overhaul and IDK why hut I keep getting crashes when I do certain things. Not sure why but *Sigh* Guess I just lost the motivation to play this. Even sandbox saves of sorts malfunction so whats the point? Progress wont be saved across versions, the grind would multiply on each update and the problems on the game's biases are starting to become far too big for the low experience its delivering. Time to get back at making Skyrim my monsterwaifu simulator.... No wait, it already was? Hehe
 

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I'm a newbie when it comes to breeding games and reading all of this stuff about essence level leaves me wondering: What's the reward for all this grinding? What do attributes and aptitudes actually do other than making numbers go up? Do more interesting Nephelym spawn if you raise the essence levels? I'd love to see a comparison between Nephelym on a fresh save and Nephelym on a late game save, if there are big differences.
The current state of BoN, the closest thing to an end goal (last I remember) is breading the perfect demon just to brag to the queen of hell. anything past that are personal goals

Alot of people right now are revisiting the game because a youtuber speed ran an old version where all he did was open all the gates and do the key quests.
 
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arcader000

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I'm a newbie when it comes to breeding games and reading all of this stuff about essence level leaves me wondering: What's the reward for all this grinding? What do attributes and aptitudes actually do other than making numbers go up? Do more interesting Nephelym spawn if you raise the essence levels? I'd love to see a comparison between Nephelym on a fresh save and Nephelym on a late game save, if there are big differences.
Nothing yet tangible, currently just there for something resembling a goal. Future updates might make it part of the main story, cause currently the only thing to work towards otherwise is opening up the cockblock gates but that still doesn't feel right.

Considering saves break on update there's kinda no point in even worrying about it right now, we've only been focusing on it just to figure how it even works since there's no in game description lmfao.
 
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defnotalt

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Length of dev time isn't really a factor, especially with essentially a solo dev with contracted helpers. You say its a broken game but I haven't noticed any game breaking bugs or even crashed which is more then I can say for some fully released games lmfao.
Ah yes, please disregard the fact that the orc was asking for a futa with non-dormant fertile trait. And the "bugfix" didn't solve the problem if you already had accepted the quest. You can say a lot of good things about this game, but please do not fanboy over it, it doesn't do anyone a favor.
 

defnotalt

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I managed to modify some Nephelym information using hex edit (race, gender, traits) thanks to a useful comments that some people posted here some time ago. I wasn't too keen on downloading and executing BOTNTools because of the virus flag (even if it might very well be a false positive), so I decided to make my own simple tool for editing save files.

You can browse through your list of Nephelyms (including the breeder) and modify their race, gender and traits.

I made this tool in Python, so I provide the python script files for people that don't want to execute random exe files on the internet or prefer to use the scripts themselves. You'll need to execute botn_m.py using a relatively moden version of Python. For people who don't care, I also provide the tool compiled into a single .exe which doesn't need Python or any other dependency.

For the sake of completeness, I will briefly describe how to edit files using this tool. You'll first see the following UI when starting the application:
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Go to "File->open save" and select the save you want to edit. After the tool has finished processing the save, it will display the list of Nephelyms. By selecting them, you can see their information in the respective fields. You can see my save as en example:

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Note: you can see that I have some random Nephelym with the human breeder class. This is because I was previously messing around with the save files. Fun fact, you can actually swap almost all races to the human breeder class (except Mares for some reason), some of them looking better than others.

Traits are displayed in the big text field, one line per trait in save order. If we want to modify this Nephelym, we need to click "Modify". After that, we can edit anything but the name of the Nephelym. Before we can actually write to the save file, we need to press "Verify". This transforms any understandable keywords into the respective strings that the game recognizes (e.g. hominal is converted to Trait.Form.Hominal) and performs checks so that no erroneus information is written into the save. In my case, I modified the previous Nephelym with the following data:

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After verifying, the data looks like this:

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After that, we can click "Apply changes" and it will overwrite the opened save file with the following modifications. By default, the tool will perform backups of save files every 2h (meaning it will perform a backup if it detects that the last backup was done over 2h ago), but you can disable/change the time interval in "File->Options".

Note that while traits are generally pretty safe to modify and tweak, modifying gender and sometimes the race of some Nephelyms might result in crashes due to some incompatiblity of the shape and model data. For example, I have observed that changing Futa to Female and viceversa is generally safe (since they are basically identical other than the penis), but changing to Male just doesn't work. Additionally, changing the MC to a big size can be problematic when performing wild sex, as the game gets stuck in the interaction (but strangely enough it seems okay during breeding sessions?).

Finally, while I tried to make the tool as robust as possible, note that it is something that I coded in a week during my spare time. I suggest you make your own backups before starting to edit in case something unexpected happens in the long run.
 
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RubyZeronyka

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So, hmmmm.... I've seen a lot of trouble with the whole Essence and Dormant traits situation so it makes me wonder. Is it worth it change it from version .89 to .95? I love the idea of having Vagrant Pregnancies, besides the MANY drawbacks the UI overhaul (As well as some ingame systems) brought, but while I can deal with those. However I'm wondering if it's even worth playing the newest version cause I'm reading a lot of comments of you guys struggling big time with the new Essence system and.... Im wondering if maybe this is the update in which Ill stuck myself for a while until Derelict fixes his shit XD
 

Dirgha

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Is it worth it change it from version .89 to .95?
I'd recommend version .97 as it seems more stable.

Version .95 worked fine with vagrant pregnancy on, but it began to crash with multiple errors as soon as I set general pregnancy to "off" (to get offsprings instantly).
When I tried the same with v.0.97, there were no crashes.

Anyways, the game at this stage finally works as a real sandbox. Moreover, if you feel lazy enough, you can have it running in an "automated mode" (with vagrants randomly impregnating each other), while you enjoy watching the outcome. :cool:
 

arcader000

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Ah yes, please disregard the fact that the orc was asking for a futa with non-dormant fertile trait. And the "bugfix" didn't solve the problem if you already had accepted the quest. You can say a lot of good things about this game, but please do not fanboy over it, it doesn't do anyone a favor.
I will cause I didn't talk to the orc or get that quest lmfao. Sayin I didn't encounter and major bugs ain't fanboyin shit, just sayin I didn't encounter any which is more I could say with alotta fully released games.
 
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