RPGM Bryn's Adventure [v0.93] [Bryn]

[Reieux3]

JoeTermin:
I can see where you are coming from, but I think you are overly sensitive with your criticism.
Let's have a look at the plot constraints that the game has to work with.

1. It must give some sort of reason for why Bryn would walk the streets naked. The incentive must be strong enough to persuade her; but it may not be too strong, otherwise the resentment/disgust towards the villain would be too strong.
You could, for example, imagine a scenario where Bryn is forced to do this to prevent the WOAH app guy from murdering her whole family. Bryn's actions would be more plausible, but... to have to secretly side with a psychopathic villain tormenting a young girl is hard enough as it is now.

2. If Bryn was pure and innocent, it would be hard to conceive she would agree to the whole game under almost any circumstances. See 1. The game would basically have to abandon its premise, and transform itself into a prequel of itself.
I'd love to see that, but for the time being I'm happy with suspending disbelief. After all, Bryn is supposed to have an exhibitionist side, so exposing herself might be a horror, but a thrill as well.

3. The evil side must possess a method of verifying that Bryn is naked. Otherwise, it would be too easy to lie.

4. If Bryn had absolutely no experience, and was all shy and reluctant about all things sexual, it would make it feel as though she was underage (yuck!). You can't design her with a very petite body, and a very inexperienced mind, without raising all kinds of red flags.

I don't see how you can construct a better story that leads to the setup the game happens in.

 

[JoeTermin]

JoeTermin:
I can see where you are coming from, but I think you are overly sensitive with your criticism.
Let's have a look at the plot constraints that the game has to work with.

1. It must give some sort of reason for why Bryn would walk the streets naked. The incentive must be strong enough to persuade her; but it may not be too strong, otherwise the resentment/disgust towards the villain would be too strong.
You could, for example, imagine a scenario where Bryn is forced to do this to prevent the WOAH app guy from murdering her whole family. Bryn's actions would be more plausible, but... to have to secretly side with a psychopathic villain tormenting a young girl is hard enough as it is now.

2. If Bryn was pure and innocent, it would be hard to conceive she would agree to the whole game under almost any circumstances. See 1. The game would basically have to abandon its premise, and transform itself into a prequel of itself.
I'd love to see that, but for the time being I'm happy with suspending disbelief. After all, Bryn is supposed to have an exhibitionist side, so exposing herself might be a horror, but a thrill as well.

3. The evil side must possess a method of verifying that Bryn is naked. Otherwise, it would be too easy to lie.

4. If Bryn had absolutely no experience, and was all shy and reluctant about all things sexual, it would make it feel as though she was underage (yuck!). You can't design her with a very petite body, and a very inexperienced mind, without raising all kinds of red flags.

I don't see how you can construct a better story that leads to the setup the game happens in.

You can absolutely construct a better story leading to the same setup, because it's what the original game did ("Naked Order" - from which this game is very heavily inspired).

In the original game, the protagonist had a large debt to pay inherited from her father, and thieves took her little sister to blackmail her into repaying it back. Then, as she lost all hope, a mysterious stranger came to offer her to do a series of "quests" in exchange of a huge amount of money.

You didn't know who the girl you were playing really was, just that you absolutely had to do these quests to save her sister. At this point the scenario does not need to explain anything else about the girl, because it's either obvious, or not important.

As for point 4, I know some countries laws can be pretty ridiculous dictating what you're allowed and not allowed to fap on, but I don't think we're at the point yet we're it's illegal to depict, not even fictional underage girls, but fictional PETITE women... if artists now have to go out of their way and change the scenario because depicting a normal woman is now a problem for 'some people' even when the scenario clearly states she's 18+, and her attractiveness to you suddenly goes from "yuck" to beautiful just because the artist confirmed to you that she's supposed to be a 18+ girl, I'd argue you should switch to a country where 'these people' do not have that much control on your brain because that is not a healthy country

 

[Reieux3]

JoeTermin: good for you - I suggest you play Naked Order then! If you want to nitpick, you could also put the same level of criticism upon the plot of Naked Order (why would you trust a shady "mysterious stranger" that wants you to do perverted stuff. Naked Order dodges a lot of questions, at least at first glance - how is Rin being surveiled? How does he have access to all that cameras? Why does Rin not have to worry about pictures being taken of her, how is that being "taken care of"?)

You say:
"You didn't know who the girl you were playing really was, just that you absolutely had to do these quests to save her sister. At this point the scenario does not need to explain anything else about the girl, because it's either obvious, or not important."

I disagree. Knowing a plausible backstory adds a lot to a story, and makes a character more accessable. If you don't like it, you can just skip the intro and imagine that Rin/Bryn has to do the tasks, just... because. Anything else is "not important".
It would be an improvement for either game if the girls would at least contemplate what they stand to lose in case the pictures get leaked - in case of Bryn, it would most likely be more sensible to just tell the truth and bite the bullet.

Naked Order, on the other hand, solves the problem of the stakes by using the trope of the girl having no one but her sister.
It's also a shortcut, it's also a trope, you just happen to like it better.
I've played Naked Order only a bit, and appreciate the differences. I think it comes down to a matter of taste.

You misunderstood my point concerning 4. - it's not the legality that concerns me.
I would feel uneasy with a petite, innocent protagonist for the same reason I dislike Loli porn (if that's the name); it doesn't arouse me to see a character that looks and acts like an underage girl, even if the game states that she is TOTALLY 18.

Admittedly, many of the things I criticised about Naked order could be laid at the feet of bryn's adventure as well- the hacker must have access to all the CCTV cameras of the city, and Bryn is not given a reason to believe that fulfilling the tasks would do anything to help her situation.

 

[JoeTermin]

JoeTermin: good for you - I suggest you play Naked Order then! If you want to nitpick, you could also put the same level of criticism upon the plot of Naked Order (why would you trust a shady "mysterious stranger" that wants you to do perverted stuff. Naked Order dodges a lot of questions, at least at first glance - how is Rin being surveiled? How does he have access to all that cameras? Why does Rin not have to worry about pictures being taken of her, how is that being "taken care of"?)

You say:
"You didn't know who the girl you were playing really was, just that you absolutely had to do these quests to save her sister. At this point the scenario does not need to explain anything else about the girl, because it's either obvious, or not important."

I disagree. Knowing a plausible backstory adds a lot to a story, and makes a character more accessable. If you don't like it, you can just skip the intro and imagine that Rin/Bryn has to do the tasks, just... because. Anything else is "not important".
It would be an improvement for either game if the girls would at least contemplate what they stand to lose in case the pictures get leaked - in case of Bryn, it would most likely be more sensible to just tell the truth and bite the bullet.

Naked Order, on the other hand, solves the problem of the stakes by using the trope of the girl having no one but her sister.
It's also a shortcut, it's also a trope, you just happen to like it better.
I've played Naked Order only a bit, and appreciate the differences. I think it comes down to a matter of taste.

You misunderstood my point concerning 4. - it's not the legality that concerns me.
I would feel uneasy with a petite, innocent protagonist for the same reason I dislike Loli porn (if that's the name); it doesn't arouse me to see a character that looks and acts like an underage girl, even if the game states that she is TOTALLY 18.

Admittedly, many of the things I criticised about Naked order could be laid at the feet of bryn's adventure as well- the hacker must have access to all the CCTV cameras of the city, and Bryn is not given a reason to believe that fulfilling the tasks would do anything to help her situation.

There's a middle ground though between having some sexual experience, and being called a 'fucktoy' by your own boyfriend. I don't mind if the girl is a bit slutty, but for me this intro looked rather extreme.

And regardless: I am not even saying "innocent" character is better/worse than "slutty", I'm just saying if the story doesn't need it, then keep details like this vague. Because yes details like this give character backstory this is true, but in exchange he will lose a good part of the virgin/corruption crowd: the trade-off is probably not worth.

Also please avoid comments like these:

I suggest you play Naked Order then!
[...]
If you don't like it, you can just skip the intro
[...]

I don't think you are the dev of the game (?) so while explaining your perspective is justified but it is not your role to tell who is the audience and who is not. Given the game is still pre-1.0, I assume the scenario is still not final, and if my memory is right earlier versions of the game had a much lighter intro.

Imagine next release, the author changes his mind again on the intro and makes the character a underage virgin, I'd guess you'd be pretty pissed too, but I woudln't tell you "It's OK dude you can skip the intro" (and as I said ina previous message, skipping the intro would have been fine for me, but only if I knew what was inside it beforehand).

 

[dnkasbdkba]

the part about her being a fucktoy is just her boyfriend being an asshole, he would probably say the same thing about any girl he isn't planning on marrying, he's not even sure if she would do what he says she would, he only got the threesome because she was drunk... maybe we can get more innocent content with a spin-off or something similar to kimi.

 

[dnkasbdkba]

Regarding the blackmail part, she just didn't think it through and made the wrong decision, as anyone can make. We don't always choose the best option, even more so if we have time to consider it and somehow calm down

 

[Reieux3]

I can only echo what dnkasbdkba was saying concerning your first part.
Keep in mind that the boyfriend is talking to his best friend - both either still teenagers or in their early twenties, so you must take what he says with a grain of salt.
And yes, the boyfriend is supposed to be an asshole - it softens the blow of the app sabotaging their relationship. It makes it more plausible that Bryn accepts the challenges, since she is curious and keen on new experiences anyway.

I looked into Naked Order a little deeper, and it differs a lot in tone; it's... meaner. It seems to be a lot less on the side of Rin, and relishes on her demise into sexual slavery etc. I couldn't enjoy the game very much because I felt sorry for Rin.
That different tone changes my perception of the misgivings I had concerning gameplay (there are bugs regarding line of sight, the controls are quite tedious, and you can't pass behind high-rising buildings. Normally, I would just accept such little annoyances, but together with the game expecting us to enjoy Rin's desparation, it just felt as if the game was deliberately making it as hard as possible for the protagonist.

I think you cannot escape this consequence. You need something to blackmail a pure and innocent girl with. Most likely, she hasn't done anything nefarious with, and - uncorrupted as she is, there will be no dirty pictures, nor zesty facts to dig up.
Kidnapping someone, or threatening to murder her family would likely be enough, but... it would spoil the fun for me.

Maybe we could agree that it would be interesting to see a prequel, where the boyfriend tries (and succeeds) to persuade Bryn to have a threesome. It would be a different gamethough.

It's also very rough around the edges (seems to be programmed in an older version of rpgmaker), so I can see why you would want a remake.

You say:
"I don't think you are the dev of the game (?) so while explaining your perspective is justified but it is not your role to tell who is the audience and who is not. Given the game is still pre-1.0, I assume the scenario is still not final, and if my memory is right earlier versions of the game had a much lighter intro."

No, I am not the dev. Neither are you. But I'm not the one suggesting changes to the game that would change the tone of a game, just because I would prefer it to be a clone of another game that already exists. And ... while the game is "still pre-1.0", it sits at version 0.92, and you would need very, very good persuasion to advocate for changes whose consequences have to be tracked basically into every scene of the game.

You say:
" Imagine next release, the author changes his mind again on the intro and makes the character a underage virgin, I'd guess you'd be pretty pissed too, but I woudln't tell you "It's OK dude you can skip the intro" (and as I said in a previous message, skipping the intro would have been fine for me, but only if I knew what was inside it beforehand)."

You are making my point, aren't you? That's why I argue - because I happen to like the game as it is. Your analogy is flawed because I would naturally expect the game development to not perform a U-turn in the eleventh hour. Still, you are right that in your thought experiment, I would be somewhat disappointed about the dev's decision, but I would understand that the developer has the freedom to create whatever game he likes.

 

[JoeTermin]

I can only echo what dnkasbdkba was saying concerning your first part.
Keep in mind that the boyfriend is talking to his best friend - both either still teenagers or in their early twenties, so you must take what he says with a grain of salt.
And yes, the boyfriend is supposed to be an asshole - it softens the blow of the app sabotaging their relationship. It makes it more plausible that Bryn accepts the challenges, since she is curious and keen on new experiences anyway.

I looked into Naked Order a little deeper, and it differs a lot in tone; it's... meaner. It seems to be a lot less on the side of Rin, and relishes on her demise into sexual slavery etc. I couldn't enjoy the game very much because I felt sorry for Rin.
That different tone changes my perception of the misgivings I had concerning gameplay (there are bugs regarding line of sight, the controls are quite tedious, and you can't pass behind high-rising buildings. Normally, I would just accept such little annoyances, but together with the game expecting us to enjoy Rin's desparation, it just felt as if the game was deliberately making it as hard as possible for the protagonist.

I think you cannot escape this consequence. You need something to blackmail a pure and innocent girl with. Most likely, she hasn't done anything nefarious with, and - uncorrupted as she is, there will be no dirty pictures, nor zesty facts to dig up.
Kidnapping someone, or threatening to murder her family would likely be enough, but... it would spoil the fun for me.

Maybe we could agree that it would be interesting to see a prequel, where the boyfriend tries (and succeeds) to persuade Bryn to have a threesome. It would be a different gamethough.

It's also very rough around the edges (seems to be programmed in an older version of rpgmaker), so I can see why you would want a remake.

You say:
"I don't think you are the dev of the game (?) so while explaining your perspective is justified but it is not your role to tell who is the audience and who is not. Given the game is still pre-1.0, I assume the scenario is still not final, and if my memory is right earlier versions of the game had a much lighter intro."

No, I am not the dev. Neither are you. But I'm not the one suggesting changes to the game that would change the tone of a game, just because I would prefer it to be a clone of another game that already exists. And ... while the game is "still pre-1.0", it sits at version 0.92, and you would need very, very good persuasion to advocate for changes whose consequences have to be tracked basically into every scene of the game.

You say:
" Imagine next release, the author changes his mind again on the intro and makes the character a underage virgin, I'd guess you'd be pretty pissed too, but I woudln't tell you "It's OK dude you can skip the intro" (and as I said in a previous message, skipping the intro would have been fine for me, but only if I knew what was inside it beforehand)."

You are making my point, aren't you? That's why I argue - because I happen to like the game as it is. Your analogy is flawed because I would naturally expect the game development to not perform a U-turn in the eleventh hour. Still, you are right that in your thought experiment, I would be somewhat disappointed about the dev's decision, but I would understand that the developer has the freedom to create whatever game he likes.

I'm just saying a comment like "if you prefer Naked Order, play Naked Order" is unconstructive and probably something only the dev should say... this is sort of like going into someone else's shop and telling one of his customers "if you don't like the products here, you can just go to another shop". The sentence itself is true, but it's not your role to say that. I know I can choose to play a different game, I know I can skip the intro, the point of my critique is not to say how bad the game is (it's great), it's to help improve it.

And yeah Naked Order had some genuinely depressing endings. But it did somewhat give you the choice. If you save-scummed a lot, you could get the good ending and even finish as virgin. Granted, you must have the ability to "rewind" and ignore she got raped 50 times in-between the saves, and treat them more as a "what would have happened if...". In your case though, I suspect that you weren't really the target audience for this type of games. Naked Order was not just a game about exhibitionism, it was primarily a "rape simulator", which if you don't have, is a fetish that is very hard to explain (some have it and some simply don't). I'm not sure if this even has a name, but the fetish is not just about seeing a girl getting raped (which is normal rape fetish) but actually having the game rape you, by having exceedingly difficult or unfair mechanics. I know it might sound weird, I don't even know if there is official terminology for it but this is basically why so many female-protag games are so difficult and unfair. It's why games like this one exist where half the comments give it 1-star because of the awful gameplay and the other half praise it as a masterpiece.

 

[Reieux3]

I acknowledge your point about "Play a different game then". Maybe I didn't explain my point coherently enough.
To this end, I will exaggerate a bit. If someone was disappointed about Bryn's adventure because they would love to play a basketball team management game, I'm sure you would say "well, this is not what Bryn's adventure is aiming to be, so you should not expect to transform the game according to your wishes." Which is, essentially, saying "play another game."

I'll give you, for example, that it is quite unsensible of Bryn to succumb to the pressure of the blackmail. But we wouldn't have a game then. I like it that the blackmail is relatively harmless, as it hints at Bryn's curiousity to do it. It gives the game a feeling of a "truth or dare" game with more extreme rules.
I like it as well that the game is relatively easy. I consider myself very clumsy, but it is very easy to finish the game without getting in danger. If Bryn is getting caught, it's almost always due to negligence (possibly deliberate negligence, in a "let's see what happens" kind of way.

Having Bryn being completely inexperienced would not only make it more difficult to find a threat strong enough to persuade her, it would also put her in a weird spot to start exploring her sexuality.
Realistically, given the option "Walk the streets naked or X will happen", normal people will either just go with X, or try to find a way to lie about having done what you asked. You therefore would need a very drastic consequence (such as the life and fate of your kidnapped sister) from a powerful person/institution (that has access to all video cameras, and can track you wherever you are.
Moreover, it would feel awkward to have that setting juxtaposed with an easy gameplay ("The demon threatens you with eternal torment if you don't bring him two handkerchiefs from the next room.") Naturally, increasing the difficulty of the game would bring it another step towards Naked Order, and would make it lose the relative lightheartedness that I enjoy about it.

I think it's natural to feel uneasy if we see a character we are supposed to like getting coerced to do something. I know that people can enjoy games like Naked Order, and I know that they can be perfectly decent people. Logically, I wouldn't even be in a position to criticise, since I've sent armies to their death, and destroyed empires (in other games). It's just a matter of personal taste.

 

[ariados4711]

I like this game, waiting for more

 

[BrynsAdventureGame]

I'm on it! Animation for Forest-Camping trip finished, all other CGs for the Forest-Camping is completed, just programming it/sequencing it all together in the RPGM Engine.
Been working on CGs for different endings, just prepping them, running through photoshop etc, then I'll get to working on them in the RPGM Engine.
Stuff is happening! But it will be some time before I can get it out all at the same time.

 

[SirJerry]

You can do wonerful things with AI these days, so i played around with ideas for Bryn's adventures in the park:

 

[dnkasbdkba]

You can do wonerful things with AI these days, so i played around with ideas for Bryn's adventures in the park:
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What did you use to do this?

 

[SirJerry]

What did you use to do this?

Fooocus AI running an Uncensored version of Stable Diffusion on my PC

But to spice things up I'm trying to run another AI (Image to video)
I have one working clip that i'm thinking of using to make a game similar to this one
But that i'd guess would be a long way away as i'm lazy

 

[SirJerry]

You can do wonerful things with AI these days, so i played around with ideas for Bryn's adventures in the park:
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Takes me about 1-10 second (depending on quality) to generate 1 immage.
I find it's easier to spam low cuality immages till I get something that I like and than I imporve on it using inbuilt toools in fooocus
BrynsAdventureGame if you need help feel free to contact me and give me prompts, I will generate 100s of images for you

 

[FPcrab]

Takes me about 1-10 second (depending on quality) to generate 1 immage.
I find it's easier to spam low cuality immages till I get something that I like and than I imporve on it using inbuilt toools in fooocus
BrynsAdventureGame if you need help feel free to contact me and give me prompts, I will generate 100s of images for you

In modern realities, even a specially trained chimpanzee can generate images.

At the moment we already have enough ready-made images of Bryn to start training a separate model that will draw only her

 

[FPcrab]

qe ia usas?

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[BigMoisty]

You can do wonerful things with AI these days, so i played around with ideas for Bryn's adventures in the park:
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Really enjoy the idea of bryn's pussy getting licked by a dog. The idea of her clothe sgetting ripped of fin public by a delinquent would be really hot too. The more rape there is the better. Haha

 

[ace1357]

Just had an idea of doing some Bryn animations within Stable Diffusion which took a while to get to work:

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TemporalNet works wonders to stabilize each frame, though still had some difficulty for certain frames which I resorted to rendering manually

 

[BrynsAdventureGame]

This does look good, did you have to manually make each of the frames, or can it animate for you?