VN Ren'Py Abandoned By Midsummer Moonlight [Ep. 2] [Mimir's Lab]

[dolfe67]

BMM is an attempt to revitalize the "roommate" and harem genres by injecting a dose of realism and drama into the formula.

I don't think it's good marketing, incest and harem are by definition not realistic (both exists in some parts of the world but it's very minimal and with specific background)

That said the game is not bad but have some flaws. Like having a choice to "reject" a girl but getting to fuck her all the same

 

[DaughtersOfJanus]

Any way to get the previous patch?

Stupid me broke something... Try it out now and let me know if it works or not. I dont have a mac so I dont know if it works on mac

 

[anomkarsa]

I think the way I've done the rewrite as it is currently will satisfy both the people who liked the old ending and people who hated it. I know this rewrite makes the ending weaker overall for the people who liked the original, but what it leads up to in episode 2, I feel is even more interesting with things the way they are now. I don't want to spoil anything so you'll have to wait and see.

I think some of the criticisms are slightly harsh and not taking into account that this is a new game made by a new dev. The animations are far from shoddy, we barely know anything about the characters or story so it's unfair to write characters off already on a first release and you're taking feedback on board and have changed the game accordingly and quickly at that might i add.

I know devs have to walk a fine line when it comes to putting 'porn' into porn games lest their game be called boring and reviewed poorly for the slow build up or too much dialogue and not enough action. So i understand the inclusion of the sex scene at the end with Victoria and i also don't think there's a problem with how flirty and forward Victoria is either, i'm sure a choice could be added down the line to reject going to her house for those that aren't into her character straight off the bat but it isn't a big deal.

Overall it's very impressive for a first release and it's definitely worth keeping an eye on as there is a lot that the dev has got right here. Keep up the great work man.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

i still don't like it but in one scenario he has sex with someone he didn't intent do and in the other he is just being watched without his knowledge. One is way worse than the other

Yeah but you're not factoring in all of the scene. He doesn't know he's just being watched by her only. From his in game pov, He just got done arguing with Audrey about her breaking his promise. When he takes that stuff off after sex with Victoria and sees his sister standing over him, you think he's just going to ignore her and put the blame on only Victoria? That can spiral out of control as he doesn't know she only watched. If anything he might think his sister is the one who planned the whole thing with her friend from the start since she's the one that called him, if I'm not mistaken, and she was asking him if he was interested in his sisters. The MC, while actually fucking Victoria, could mistake the entire thing and think it was Audrey.

Yes, Audrey unknowingly being made to fuck her brother with both not known is way worse by just looking at it. I admit that i have made it look like it wasn't when i was speculating about what a worse outcome could be on this new one. What i really should've said instead is this changed ending could potentially reach the same effect as the first depending on the outcome of the hood coming off.

Honestly, I'm making and have made a lot of assumptions and setting it out like it will happen exactly like this and the MC will definitely react to it as such. I doubt majority of this stuff will happen that I'm saying.

 

[juan palote]

Oh wait that scene was already changed? I thought it was still due to be changed... Yikes what was it like before

Now I don't think it's necessary to try to be realistic in a incest/harem scenario, that's pretty much fighting a losing battle from the start. Only way I can see this happening is if MC is an oil prince or something, and ironically the only game I know where the MC is an oil prince is not a harem game (Leap of Faith). Better to go the tongue in cheek route like OiaL and just have a fun game, which the writer seems capable of.

However if this game is trying to be even a tiny bit realistic the entire Victoria story from start to finish misses the mark completely. Random chick you've never met walks into your bathroom and straight away wants to fuck? Nope. And the entire scene at her place is just beyond ridiculous. Oh you're losing your hard on here let me put a bag over your head and noise cancelling headphones on you and then bring in your "childhood friend" to teach her about sex. I dunno if this is extremely lazy writing or getting way too creative trying to force a sex scene into a 0.1 but yea this scene not only goes way past suspension of disbelief, it wasn't even much of a turn on. The animations were also shoddy which didn't help in that regard.

Would make much more sense if she just got him over, fucked and filmed it and showed the video to Audrey later as part of her "sex ed". That way you could get an actual good sex scene in there without the super awkward and completely unbelievable scenario which actually takes place.

Also agree with MrFriendly that the MC has pretty much zero redeeming qualities so far and thus makes it even harder to believe that every girl the MC knows/meets is totally smitten with him.

Don't get me wrong, the game has potential. The dialogue is well written, the girls are cute and interesting, the overall story is nicely done with plenty of intrigue etc. But the execution in this episode was poor in my opinion. Just giving honest feedback here since 90% of people here will instantly 5* any incest/harem game with cute girls and readable Enlgish. Which I guess means just do whatever the fuck you want cuz the horndogs here will love it regardless

The previous version was really bad...

Anyway, about the MC, yeah i agree he is lame but i guess we will have to know a bit more of the story to have some background.

The game has potential, we will have to see how it goes on

 

[ninetofive]

I think some of the criticisms are slightly harsh and not taking into account that this is a new game made by a new dev. The animations are far from shoddy, we barely know anything about the characters or story so it's presumptious to call characters ireedemable etc and you're taking feedback on board and have changed the game accordingly and quickly at that might i add.

I know devs have to walk a fine line when it comes to putting 'porn' into porn games lest their game be called boring and reviewed poorly for the slow build up or too much dialogue and not enough action. So i understand the inclusion of the sex scene at the end with Victoria and i also don't think there's a problem with how flirty and forward Victoria is either, i'm sure a choice could be added to reject going to her house for those that aren't into her character straight off the bat but it isn't a big deal.

Overall it's very impressive for a first release and it's definitely worth keeping an eye on as there is a lot that the dev has got right here. Keep up the great work man.

The whole point of criticism when provided in a constructive manner is to help with improvement. That's even more important for a new dev. Animations are certainly shoddy the MC's dick is literally cut in half in one of them. No one said MC is irredeemable either just that so far he has no redeeming qualities, he seems to be a whiny layabout that lets all the girls in his life walk all over him. A choice most likely couldn't be given in Victoria's case as it seems to be important to the overall story hence why the dev is reluctant to change it too much. Sorry but pretty much everything in your post is straight up wrong.

 

[MrFriendly]

The whole point of criticism when provided in a constructive manner is to help with improvement. That's even more important for a new dev. Animations are certainly shoddy the MC's dick is literally cut in half in one of them. No one said MC is irredeemable either just that so far he has no redeeming qualities, he seems to be a whiny layabout that lets all the girls in his life walk all over him. A choice most likely couldn't be given in Victoria's case as it seems to be important to the overall story hence why the dev is reluctant to change it too much. Sorry but pretty much everything in your post is straight up wrong.

Agreed, the main issues I have with this game are

1) the MC behaves like a complete jerk to all of his family and we have no idea why (okay mom is a grade A bitch but other than that the sisters may be bitchy but they seem to mean well). Personally I dislike when information is withheld from us when we are playing as the MC, we are supposed to "be" in that role yet don't know anything about what is going on. No effort is made to give us the MC's thoughts as to "why" he is so unhappy with his sisters other than the fact that 2 of the 3 are in college and the oldest is working constantly. Is the MC truly such a child that he can't handle the fact that his sisters have lives that don't include him?


2) The ending scene is a complete turn off in terms of character development and plot, never mind that it also isn't very sexy. Victoria is a character that we don't know at all, she appears in the family bathroom, the MC can flirt or reject her, then the MC still goes over to her place and has sex with her. There is no real development of her as a character, no development of their relationship, she (and San) is a mysterious woman that suddenly appears with no background or lead up. The roommates/sisters don't mention that their friends are coming over, there's no conversation about who they are prior to their arrival, they could show up in a puff of smoke and have the same level of meaning to the player/audience. Natalie is the same way, we don't know who she is until she shows up, there's no lead in.
The choppiness of the animation, the situation that the MC allows himself to be put into stretches belief. I know this is a "fantasy" and I shouldn't expect realism but the MC just met Victoria a day before and now he is willing to trust her enough that he will submit to sitting in her room with no ability to see or hear while someone sucks his dick and then fucks him. Is he truly that desperate? Honestly it is more submissive than I'd expect the character to be. He has spent the rest of the episode alternating between mean comments and sullen silences, doesn't seem like a passive person and yet he submits to Victoria rather easily.

In addition to all of that we are to believe that the MC's older sister, who has been attending college for 2 years, has zero knowledge of sex to the point where she needs to have a friend explain/demonstrate/help her? I know they attend an all girls school but it beggars belief if the dev is going to have the older siblings still be virgins. They have holidays and summer breaks, male friends that still live in town?

Regardless of those two quibbles (which I do see as minor overall) I do like the dialogue, I didn't skip very much which is rare these days and I do think the characters are starting off well even if they all seem irritating to varying degrees. I am interested to see if the MC does go into the military, would be kind of nice to see it happen, then a time lapse, and the MC return. Doubt that is how this one will go though. Also despite how the last scene went (which I think the player should be able to decline to participate in) I do think the storyline has potential for a harem game (I normally avoid playing them). I wish the dev the best of luck with the game.

 

[Walter Victor]

So why does the MC have sex with Victoria if he doesn't even like her?

1: He's 18-years old. 2: She's not ugly. 3-100: He's 18-years old. Duh!

 

[anomkarsa]

I know they attend an all girls school but it beggars belief if the dev is going to have the older siblings still be virgins. They have holidays and summer breaks, male friends that still live in town?

The special brand of ntr complainers that think that a love interest having a sexual past is automatically ntr would turn the thread into a warzone lol. There have been other games where devs have avoided controversy to the best of their ability by making sure that there are no men but the mc around the female characters in their games and if there are male characters then they're as non threatening as possible. Light a candle for all the dead fathers in other incest games.

It must be difficult trying to balance realism and porn logic.

 

[TheAshina]

The special brand of ntr complainers that think that a love interest having a sexual past is automatically ntr would turn the thread into a warzone lol. There have been other games where devs have avoided controversy to the best of their ability by making sure that there are no men but the mc around the female characters in their games and if there are male characters then they're as non threatening as possible. Light a candle for all the dead fathers in other incest games.

It must be difficult trying to balance realism and porn logic.

Yeah I definitely agree, but I understand both sides since when there's another male character in the cast, it's 90% they gonna have a slice from the cake one way or another. it's porn games that we are talking about after all, drama is about sex, dialogues are about sex, whole story is about sex. So it's hard to balance it out while trying to make a game that has interesting or different plotline.

It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place, the more you want to have a spicy story, the more you risk it to have a strong backlash, and the more you avoid it the more your story becomes bland.

It's truly hard to do something different for devs. It's even more difficult to have drama without some kind of jealousy in it lol. I honestly don't know which one is better. (I liked the idea of realistic approach to "roommate relationship" ngl. And imo that ending change was a right call too, so I support the dev about his/her choices so far. That's all I can say.)

 

[Mpkstroff]

I like to start saying that I like models and how expressive there are. And how the story keep me invested, even if there were only 2 choices to be made.

I understand that many things that we dont know are going to be shown or explained in future releases, but be careful on how long you keep us for... "drive us blind" through the game... I had some Three Rules of Life vibe with "if they talk maybe none of this would had happened".
At the moment, I'm really enjoying (most of) the narrative.

The one wish I have (for the next release) is that Victoria dont walk out of this for free and Audrey snap at her... but I fear that Audrey is going to fell under her...coercion? and give him a bj or something I dont know...
But again, if the story has me this invested is doing somethig good...

 

[HorizonD]

I'm looking forward to what is happening then.
Audrey sure didn't look happy at the end. ^^

 

[Moviebuff3000]

Boring and depressing as hell. Too bad it falls on the all too common trope of BFF to lovers. Why should the MC be forced to have "feelings" for the female best friend? I didn't like the mother, she was too strict. I hate when there is forced LI's in these types of games except for if the MC has a BF or GF from the start.

 

[MrFriendly]

The special brand of ntr complainers that think that a love interest having a sexual past is automatically ntr would turn the thread into a warzone lol. There have been other games where devs have avoided controversy to the best of their ability by making sure that there are no men but the mc around the female characters in their games and if there are male characters then they're as non threatening as possible. Light a candle for all the dead fathers in other incest games.

It must be difficult trying to balance realism and porn logic.

Yeah, I always find it remarkable that the "special" people on here seem to dictate so much of what some devs do in their games. I don't see a reason why there can't be married and faithful men and women who the MC is unable to fuck. But then there are the people who believe any female character that exists in a game must be fuckable. No reason at all that there can't be a male character who isn't going to fuck people, doesn't have to be gay or asexual just not fucking the women who are all magnetically and inexplicably attracted to the MC.

<shrug> Porn logic seems to win every time.

 

[Tkoyama]

I think the way I've done the rewrite as it is currently will satisfy both the people who liked the old ending and people who hated it (1). I know this rewrite makes the ending weaker overall for the people who liked the original, but what it leads up to in episode 2, I feel is even more interesting with things the way they are now(2). I don't want to spoil anything so you'll have to wait and see.

1 - Sorry, but I really doubt it. I think it only satisfied one side, which I think they didn't understand at all what we're trying to say, they think it's just for the sex or the desire to see that kind of thing, and I bet it's just a minority making a lot of noise. The best outcome (IMHO, and here I agree with them) would be for the MC to have rejected her when they first met (if the option was validated). It was really weird that she entered the house unannounced, on the other hand it happens in real life, whether to steal, to kill etc.. and here I'm getting into a point where the game has doses of reality, although it doesn't happen on a large scale, but it does, or have created a new route. That would be more work for you, of course, but I believe that everything would be appeased and it would give more "dynamism" to the game, but well, it's up to you to decide in the end.

2 - All I can say is that if you create any "sensitive" scenes, that you have an option for the players to decide what we want and past choices affect the future, or be very careful in the scenes you will create because if dont, if I were you, I would already make a second version just for conscience' sake (or stand firm in your decisions).

It's all my opinion and I hope others respect it even if they disagree, after all, we live in a democracy, don't we?

I wish you good luck.

 

[Xarin]

Boring and depressing as hell. Too bad it falls on the all too common trope of BFF to lovers. Why should the MC be forced to have "feelings" for the female best friend? I didn't like the mother, she was too strict. I hate when there is forced LI's in these types of games except for if the MC has a BF or GF from the start.

A girlfriend from the start is a forced LI though.

 

[HorizonD]

A girlfriend from the start is a forced LI though.

Sometimes games turn into 95% fucking and 5% story...
Turns quite boring then so I try to go through the games without sex at all.
If the game doesn't force you to have sex it can be pretty funny and a girlfriend from the start hinders you.^^

As for this game, I find both endings (first and second versions) weird, especially if you have rejected Victoria.
But I guess either version has to happen to make sense for the story the Dev has in mind.

 

[gkdlalstnek]

Can i change MC's name?

 

[HorizonD]

Can i change MC's name?

Yes.

 

[marspig]

Looks fucking great!

But it's too short, wait for a few updates before playing. Mark first.