It's deviously ingenious, no matter which side people are on it's an effective way to farm likesHey, no kinkshaming!
Ren'Py Champion of Realms [v0.91] [Zimon]
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In fact, the only thing I apologized for and take responsibility for is that and nothing else.
The thing that's funny by now is that you keep repeating the same thing, the same conclusion "he did misinformation, he was punished."
If I were to make a scale, on my plate would be your accusations of manipulation and misinformation, in your sending random people to check me out, apply your rules on a platform that is not yours, applying rule 1.6 as you see fit, "database error" of two months, showing screenshots from July when the problem started in May, no real interest in figuring out what happened, saying I'm doing misinformation and it's not true that the thread has been abandoned for two months, when there are even screens from other users showing it. And continue to pretend nothing is wrong with your "database" problem or it's me that I didn't report anything.
Then you got attached to this thing of me talking bad about you on Discord, but even if it were true, what do you care? Image damage? But what, in my server there are 6,000 people with at most 1% who have an account here, compared with your users who today are more than 22,000 logged in.
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Sincerely, by now it is a waste of time, I say things, you say others, in the end you are right since you have the upper hand.
You keep saying I'm misinforming when apparently "you have a broken database and I don't report on it."
This is the last message from me in this forum, partly because of all this stuff, very nice to see people react in certain ways after more than a year I have always helped, instantly corrected bugs, or corrected saves.
On the other hand, a week has passed, no one has said anything about the 0.59, not even if you liked the summer event, it is now a lost cause.
The clown that comes here looking for likes can go somewhere else, this is the CoR thread, not your stage.
I'm not asking you to have respect for me, I don't care about that anymore, but at least for the game, stop continuing with this story and talk about CoR for once.
Last thing, then I won't write anymore here, unless there is some impossible phenomenon, from now on another guy will post instead of me base news, avoid to take it out on him or send him messages or anything else, also because I already told him not to answer to anyone and he has nothing to do with all that stuff.
If anyone needs help, corrections of anything, errors to fix or report, you know where to find me.
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That is something that bothered me in your previous post already, that you think they'd have the time on their hands to "send out " people to specifically monitor you, let alone care much about this game to even prepare something like this in advance? This isn't some absurd "Everyone who is not specifically for me must be against me" situation - at that point, you are just talking paranoia.
Whoever reported you doesn't necessarily have to be affiliated with the F95 staff in the first place. Up until this all happened (don't exactly know if this is the case or not), your discord had a public invite link here and was for all intents and purposes publicly accesible, so literally anyone in there could've reported you to the staff here - from a worried fan, to some random bystander just following the project, to someone with a grudge against you.
And why does it matter for this platform, when this all went down in your own discord?
Fuck if I know, but if I wanted to hazard a guess, it's because it shows the staff here that you wouldn't shy away from posting misinformation on your own platform. When you go out of your way to post misinformation on other platforms that the SysAdmin of the site has to actually step in and disprove... Well, at that point, how could they even take anything you say at face value anymore, when you apparently have no problems lying on your own platform for whatever reason thinkable? The whole "why" aspect behind doing something like this at that point is entirely irrelevant.
With a move like this, you automatically make yourself out to be the less trustworthy of the two parties to any onlooker.
So either way someone reported on information off-site which would make them either a snitch or a spy, choose your poison but either way it's a vast overreach when people report on other sites and the admins here preemptively take action and cry "fake news".
It had the girls at the beach, cute & sexy but it's doesn't compare to raunchy drama
The updater well it's shiny and new so not much real testing has been done on it. JMccovery said it would take longer to download the full game with it yet it's not meant for the full game, it's meant for updates so a wait and see. Your updates tend to be bigger than another devs so will it be worth it to download in full, update, or compressed? Only time will tell.
UI Changes... Please stop focus testing the UI on discord users in the middle of the night, at some point I would like to stop going
Every additional click that doesn't produce cat girls is a click that I question why I'm in Dusk City
Is the menu in the center, is it off to the side, will up up down down left right left right b a unlock some new scene Bringing back the old Exile navigation was great, it might not be the best but it's familiar damn it! Case in point, apparently you can click on the bed now but Maeve isn't in it anymore... I'm not sure if this is a blessing or a curse, the gods be a fickle mistress.This update I would rate a 4/5. Can't complain about girls in swimsuits. Mysterious future features are nice but other than it's here and find out how good it works next time on days of our lives that's it. UI is a recurring thing, on one hand bed interaction is nice but on the other lost Maeve so yeah... Hey , the weird crystal calls her now but that's not the same as her standing right by the bed, would have gotten a 5/5 if she was in the bed however you're stubborn when it comes to her content. She could have at least served breakfast in bed, like a pancake on each breast, maybe whip cream, and I'm fat... Might not have been the review you wanted but it's my 2 cents.
- Jun 19, 2019
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Maybe so...but it's not yours now either is it?
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CoR Bot Before you judge me too harshly:
I have played your game as you can see, I like the game. Truthfully I wish most if not all games a success. But even if right or wrong or this whole Zimon vs F95 mattered what really matters is the game and how it is perceived. Devs themselves are almost an extension of their games, how you act, react and carry yourself WILL affect your game. Supporters, potential supporters and even haters all look at not only the game but the dev themselves, is the dev quick to lash out? Do they communicate with fans? Do they stick to deadlines? Do they embrace responsibility or bury mistakes? Do they rant or are they straight to the point? All of these things are weighed. It's not about the He said she said bullshit. At this point I'd just draw a line in the sand.
Ideally what would be an excellent and mature ending for both you, the game and F95 is not pointing fingers and blaming. "You review manipulated" "yeah well you had database error" but to say "okay I disagree with the accusation, I'm not going to admit or deny, here is a line in the sand, we don't discuss this. Now how can we move on from this to help not only my game but the site too, we work together, you play ball and I'll play ball". F95 needs games and games need F95. Think about it, does all this help either side? Does it help F95 or your game? Instead of being angry at the rubble, why not use the injured stone to build a stronger foundation...together, here...with us, as a community?
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I have played your game as you can see, I like the game. Truthfully I wish most if not all games a success. But even if right or wrong or this whole Zimon vs F95 mattered what really matters is the game and how it is perceived. Devs themselves are almost an extension of their games, how you act, react and carry yourself WILL affect your game. Supporters, potential supporters and even haters all look at not only the game but the dev themselves, is the dev quick to lash out? Do they communicate with fans? Do they stick to deadlines? Do they embrace responsibility or bury mistakes? Do they rant or are they straight to the point? All of these things are weighed. It's not about the He said she said bullshit. At this point I'd just draw a line in the sand.
Ideally what would be an excellent and mature ending for both you, the game and F95 is not pointing fingers and blaming. "You review manipulated" "yeah well you had database error" but to say "okay I disagree with the accusation, I'm not going to admit or deny, here is a line in the sand, we don't discuss this. Now how can we move on from this to help not only my game but the site too, we work together, you play ball and I'll play ball". F95 needs games and games need F95. Think about it, does all this help either side? Does it help F95 or your game? Instead of being angry at the rubble, why not use the injured stone to build a stronger foundation...together, here...with us, as a community?
- Mar 7, 2018
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I didn't say that it was taking long for it to download the whole game, but just updating the previous version (downloading + verifying) was taking longer than downloading the entire game by itself. Whenever it needed to download a file, it was transferring at 2mbps. Two megabits per second, or 256KB/s; at that speed, it takes more than an hour to download just 1GB (not saying that the updates are all going to be that size). Good for people with limited data caps, I guess.
I don't know if the updating host is just that slow or if the low speed was due to multiple people using it at once.
Beach was nice though you teased this
Hell yeah, family fun
Miss having Maeve in the room too. Seems I can only call Asmedia for the night as of 0.59 so hopefully the other girls don't take too long to get added to the list.
Estia looks a bit pixelated on Fridays at midnight in the living room however the movie night was fun. Don't think this got listed under the Event Tracker for her.
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Hell yeah, family fun
Miss having Maeve in the room too. Seems I can only call Asmedia for the night as of 0.59 so hopefully the other girls don't take too long to get added to the list.
Estia looks a bit pixelated on Fridays at midnight in the living room however the movie night was fun. Don't think this got listed under the Event Tracker for her.
Ah, I seem to have just inferred that since all the rpa files were redistributed to make them smaller so swapping them out would be easier. If you tried updating with it from 0.58 to 0.59 you would need to download all the new rpa files so essentially the full game. Not sure if the updater would delete the rpa files that didn't match it's comparison list however if it doesn't that could cause weird glitches to occur if you used a version before this became standardized.
There is some description about it's function in options.rpy
It then goes and breaks up the information based off the girls so only the ones that got new content would need changed out.
- Nov 10, 2020
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I have just encountered a bug I can't fix. Can someone help me.
I am at day 61 midnight and I just finished the first H-scene for Cleos.
But none of the normal functions are working
I can't sleep
I can't click on the exile button
I am stuck in place and time
I am at day 61 midnight and I just finished the first H-scene for Cleos.
But none of the normal functions are working
I can't sleep
I can't click on the exile button
I am stuck in place and time
I don't understand why though... anyone know what's wrong in zimon's head? I was under the impression that this game has a quite positive rating already. It seems pointless to manipulate something like that when people already like it...
- Nov 10, 2020
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Don't know what happen to it however I consoled in the commands to hide/show the navigation which seems to have fixed the problem.
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Lan party and friends, an IP Log can't tell the difference of whats behind a home router.
Like other devs haven't asked family, friends, employees, etc to like their game
I'm just curious why if the mods know the rating system can be easily exploited by newly created accounts then wouldn't it be easier in the long run just to up the security so only users with credibility can write reviews? While this was a fun circus act it doesn't prevent others form taking lessons learned and doing it better like the likes Facebook gets from the India bot farm.The whole once someone is deemed guilty unless they prostrate themselves it's considered an offense is a thing I've seen happen on this site before. I'm guessing in one of the terms of service there is also a non disclosure agreement so you can't talk about any disciplinary action taken against you or like some twisted logic if you're not completely satisfied it's considered an affront to the issuing mods honor.
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- Aug 25, 2017
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...you can't honestly believe he invited his "family, friends, employees, etc" to his house just to leave a review for his game, right?Lan party and friends, an IP Log can't tell the difference of whats behind a home router.
Like other devs haven't asked family, friends, employees, etc to like their game
The whole once someone is deemed guilty unless they prostrate themselves it's considered an offense is a thing I've seen happen on this site before. I'm guessing in one of the terms of service there is also a non disclosure agreement so you can't talk about any disciplinary action taken against you or like some twisted logic if you're not completely satisfied it's considered an affront to the issuing mods honor.
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Also he tried to hide behind a VPN, fucked up, and got caught. That's not something you would do if they were actually legitimate reviews.
I get that you like the game, and because of that you don't want to see people saying bad things about the dev, but he honestly deserved it on this one.
Do I believe an IP Log alone is the best evidence? No. Especially if it can't be reviewed.
In the conspiracy bingo I find Zimon had a lot more true statements in the end.
Were mods selectively targeting positive reviews? Yes, who knows maybe they purged some negative ones too however they did say they deleted positive ones.
Did they track him on other sites? Yes. Whether directly or someone reported the action they did do this.
While you could argue incompetence over maliciousness did they send the game back in time so people wouldn't see it? Yes. Mistakes were made and no one caught it.
Was he spamming the shit out of negative reviews that also didn't meet the guidelines? I can believe that and a mod telling him to stop because they didn't care is also believable.
Do I believe the mods ever actually engaged in a conversation with him about this until after the fact? No, an automated message is the best he got and I also don't believe they showed him any evidence either. They made a claim after the fact but that was too scandalous to show to the public while he at least had a screenshot of the message with nothing but an Okay button.
The mod even made a comment of as long as no one knew the dev was getting kicked in the balls this whole thing could have been kept in the shadows, classy.
As for the review scandal well the underlining problem wasn't address, low level accounts can still cheese the system. I can hardly fault a mouse going over the wall to get the cheese if the maze is painfully easy to exploit.
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No, but it's better than having no evidence at all, which is what Zimon has.
Really? Cause I've yet to see any statements from him or his fanboys that don't sound like total BS, especially since he keeps changing his story as new evidence is presented. He said he was sleeping at the time, but he logged into his account. He said they were done by friends and family, but he tried to hide them behind a VPN. He said the mods had it out for him and want the game to fail, the mods say they've never interacted with him before this. ETC.
What does this even mean? The mods were "selectively targeting" the fake reviews, which of course they were positive, you wouldn't leave a fake negative review on your own game.
This one I can actually agree with, I totally understand why the mods wouldn't like him calling them lairs and riling up his fans saying the evidence is fake, but IMO they did overstep their bounds using his discord against him.
Try to point out some of these negative reviews that deserve to be removed more than the positive reviews, cause from what I've seen it's mostly the positive reviews that don't meet the guidelines. Zimon wasn't reporting them cause they weren't well made reviews, he reported them to try and manipulate the system and raise the overall score of them game (hey, just like leaving fake positive reviews), the fact that you admitted yourself that he was only spamming the negative reviews to be removed should be good evidence of this.
An automated message is completely normal for something like this though? This only turned into a big deal because he threw a tantrum about it.
I hardly think temporarily closing reviews is "kicking the dev in the balls". And Zimon was the one who would have benefited from keeping it in the shadows though, it's not like this made the mods look bad.
And this is the most egregious thing you wrote.
Like can you imagine someone cheating on an exam, getting caught and going "Well you didn't strip search me so it was painfully easy to exploit the test and sneak a cheatsheet in" and thinking that it somehow means they shouldn't be punished because of that? Every other dev on this site seems to understand that cause they don't try to manipulate their reviews, so why would Zimon get special privileges?
But it's late, and this whole conversation is dumb, so I'm going to leave now before this gets even more off topic.
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Zimon showed he got a strike on his discord, didn't like it like no shit was he expected to jump up and down for joy about this, couldn't do anything about it, and apparently that got the mods panties in a bunch. For "misleading information" them not quoting it's source is more of a problem however some are too lazy to look it up for themselves.
A router, a device that allows people to share a single ip address. I actually did a bit on that earlier.
While not fully addressed part of it was disputed here. Modsdon't know it's not butter can't tell the difference on their end.
The "while he was sleeping" and "hackers obviously" were more easy low hanging fruit. If you're going for fun conspiracies the "He got his friends drunk at his house so they would like and review his game" because to be honest if I was friends with him, like he would let me in his home, I would review his game at his house for dinner and a show.
Something to consider is this review exploit works both to generate artificial hype and review bombs. If I didn't like him I could also write up bad reviews, shocker I'm sure.
Review Guidelines
Somewhat flexible however here we go
Most bad reviews ignore Rule 2, seems filling in the current version is asking too much.
It's why on places like YouTube they have things like an Appeal button. One of the mods said they showed him the evidence and that would involve communicating with him in some way however also said they had no communications with him so it's contradictory. Those kinds of messages tend to lock up the site until the person acknowledges it which if they believe that automatically is an admission of guilt well it really isn't.
Guess shadowy figures passing judgement without letting the accused plead their case is the norm in some areas. That lack of an Appeal process doesn't make them look all that good.
Why should new accounts with zero credibility be able to write reviews? It's a thing were a little bit of prevention would be better than for every ill there's a pill. Hard to say how many times the mods play whack a noob but less than a handful for years sounds ridiculously low. You're treating symptoms not the problems. If an account had to show they were active and not a fly by night operation then this wouldn't even be a talking point.
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A router, a device that allows people to share a single ip address. I actually did a bit on that earlier.
While not fully addressed part of it was disputed here. Mods
The "while he was sleeping" and "hackers obviously" were more easy low hanging fruit. If you're going for fun conspiracies the "He got his friends drunk at his house so they would like and review his game" because to be honest if I was friends with him, like he would let me in his home, I would review his game at his house for dinner and a show.
Something to consider is this review exploit works both to generate artificial hype and review bombs. If I didn't like him I could also write up bad reviews, shocker I'm sure.
Review Guidelines
Somewhat flexible however here we go
Most bad reviews ignore Rule 2, seems filling in the current version is asking too much.
- molitar - This is mostly a UI rant under the guise of a review. Rule 4 & Rule 5
- Griffifth - Deals with the player wanting choices which is a specific genre. Rule 4 & Rule 6
- trynd - This is less of a review and mostly another rant. Rule 5
- TheRackter - I'm just throwing this one in as a decent bad review. These are all opinionated and he didn't like it but at least broke it down more effectively than "This have feature I don't like, let's see if I can rant about it for 200 characters" or "This buggy". The user has been around since 2019 and hasn't left a single message so their a reviewer not a talker.
It's why on places like YouTube they have things like an Appeal button. One of the mods said they showed him the evidence and that would involve communicating with him in some way however also said they had no communications with him so it's contradictory. Those kinds of messages tend to lock up the site until the person acknowledges it which if they believe that automatically is an admission of guilt well it really isn't.
Guess shadowy figures passing judgement without letting the accused plead their case is the norm in some areas. That lack of an Appeal process doesn't make them look all that good.
Why should new accounts with zero credibility be able to write reviews? It's a thing were a little bit of prevention would be better than for every ill there's a pill. Hard to say how many times the mods play whack a noob but less than a handful for years sounds ridiculously low. You're treating symptoms not the problems. If an account had to show they were active and not a fly by night operation then this wouldn't even be a talking point.
Good night, starts enter sandman