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You literally can't even look at Mallory to get the poly route. (if you look at both Jaye and Mallory while they sunbathe topless, you are off the poly path - genius!)
So I would have to look at the redhead? Because if I look at Jaye or Mallory, the route with both of them won't happen, right?
 

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You literally can't even look at Mallory to get the poly route. (if you look at both Jaye and Mallory while they sunbathe topless, you are off the poly path - genius!)
So I would have to look at the redhead? Because if I look at Jaye or Mallory, the route with both of them won't happen, right?
No. You have to look at Jaye, if you want both of them at the end.
Not of this is true at all. The variable for which one you looked at isn't re-checked afterwards ever. The only real difference who you look at makes are how 2 love points are allocated - 2 points to Jaye, 2 points to Mal, 1 each, or none at all. If you play the rest of the game right, you should be well clear of any minimum points requirements and therefore make those 2 points irrelevant.
 
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Not of this is true at all. The variable for which one you looked at isn't re-checked afterwards ever. The only real difference who you look at makes are how 2 love points are allocated - 2 points to Jaye, 2 points to Mal, 1 each, or none at all. If you play the rest of the game right, you should be well clear of any minimum points requirements and therefore make those 2 points irrelevant.
You need to get 95 Jaye points and you’re just going to ignore an easy 2 points?
 

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Is it really not possible to have an open relationship at the end? I've got some locked scenes even though I followed the green choices in the mod.
Without the mod...
Try not having sex with Mallory in Ch.6 at the beach house... :ROFLMAO:

With the Joker Mod...
It's modified to allow the poly while having sex with Mallory in Ch.6. However, there's a "bug" where Mallory doesn't show up in the bar scene in Ch.9, even when choosing to not have sex with Mallory in Ch.6. If you look at the status of Jaye and Mallory, they both say open to polyamory.
Like SonsOfLiberty commented, I don't know if this "bug" has been fixed in the mod with the most recent update.
 
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Not of this is true at all. The variable for which one you looked at isn't re-checked afterwards ever. The only real difference who you look at makes are how 2 love points are allocated - 2 points to Jaye, 2 points to Mal, 1 each, or none at all. If you play the rest of the game right, you should be well clear of any minimum points requirements and therefore make those 2 points irrelevant.
I'm glad you confirmed it, because I was going to check earlier but I managed to get URM to stop working instead :LOL:
So if i want an actual ending with either Main Li i have to wait for one more update?
The epilogue is to come, and that will show how the chosen ending plays out. If you've played it, I'm personally expecting something along the lines of the last chapter of Bare Witness here—everything up to now defines the ending you get, then the epilogue just takes you on a journey of renders and animations (no/very few choices) showing you how the next few months or years go with your chosen LI/LIs. I don't know if that will be the case or not, as I've not heard anything, I'm literally just speculating.
You need to get 95 Jaye points and you’re just going to ignore an easy 2 points?
1 point dropped for looking at both. I didn't specifically play the game looking to maximise points on either path, and I still got the poly ending with no problem.
 
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Rehwyn

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You literally can't even look at Mallory to get the poly route. (if you look at both Jaye and Mallory while they sunbathe topless, you are off the poly path - genius!)
No. You have to look at Jaye, if you want both of them at the end.
This is incorrect. You can look at both sunbathing and tell Kaili that you like both. I did this and ended with Jaye/Mal poly.

However if you do look at both, you might have to not do morning 69 with Mallory. Passing on morning 69 leaves you with enough stamina with Jaye later to do both BJ and cunnilingus, which gives you +2 points with Jaye compared to if you only do one of those.
 
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This is incorrect. You can look at both sunbathing and tell Kaili that you like both, however if you do so you might have to not do morning 69 with Mallory.

Passing on morning 69 leaves you with enough stamina with Jaye later to do both BJ and cunnilingus, which gives you +2 points with Jaye compared to if you only do one of those.
I thank the right honorable gentleman for the correction.

I also reiterate the outright lunacy of needing to reject intimacy with a LI to get her at the end. It's not clever, it's not merely counter-intuitive, it lacks self-consistency within universe.
 

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So if i want an actual ending with either Main Li i have to wait for one more update?
The main story finished this update, but the epilogues showing the conclusion of all the relationship paths is next update, which I think is supposedly in just a few months.
 

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I thank the right honorable gentleman for the correction.

I also reiterate the outright lunacy of needing to reject intimacy with a LI to get her at the end. It's not clever, it's not merely counter-intuitive, it lacks self-consistency within universe.
From a "gaming" perspective, I agree. It's an odd choice and I can see how it feels like a bait-and-switch to some.

However, from a narrative and character perspective, I get it.

Poly relationships can come from open relationships that decide to commit, but it's probably more common for a couple to open their relationship to one (or more) additional partners. So the way it comes to be isn't unrealistic.

More importantly, healthy poly relationships need to have a good handle on jealousy, and the main causes of jealousy in relationships are personal insecurities such as feeling inadequate and fear of abandonment. Due to their past, Jaye has these in spades when it comes to MC. By comparison, Mal has far fewer relationship hiccups specifically about MC. I haven't played the open path yet to see, but from what I've heard Jaye struggles far more with these issues on that path compared to if you commit to her. So in that regard, it makes sense to me that she's much better able to resolve these insecurities enough to be comfortable sharing on the path where MC commits to her despite also having a clear attraction to Mal.

So I can see what they were trying to do, but it feels like from a gaming perspective it could have been handled a bit better by presenting options where the MC could "commit" to just the two of them earlier rather than just having the "open" option. Not sure if Jaye would have accepted it earlier or not, but it probably would feel much better to players.

Edit: Personally, I'd also make Jaye's point threshold slightly more forgiving. Even just another 2-3 points of leeway would help reduce some of the feeling of having to min/max the poly path.
 
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From a "gaming" perspective, I agree. It's an odd choice and I can see how it feels like a bait-and-switch to some.

However, from a narrative and character perspective, I get it.

Poly relationships can come from open relationships that decide to commit, but it's probably more common for a couple to open their relationship to one (or more) additional partners. So the way it comes to be isn't unrealistic.

More importantly, healthy poly relationships need to have a good handle on jealousy, and the main causes of jealousy in relationships are personal insecurities such as feeling inadequate and fear of abandonment. Due to their past, Jaye has these in spades when it comes to MC. By comparison, Mal has far fewer relationship hiccups specifically about MC. I haven't played the open path yet to see, but from what I've heard Jaye struggles far more with these issues on that path compared to if you commit to her. So in that regard, it makes sense to me that she's much better able to resolve these insecurities enough to be comfortable sharing on the path where MC commits to her despite also having a clear attraction to Mal.

So I can see what they were trying to do, but it feels like from a gaming perspective it could have been handled a bit better by presenting options where the MC could "commit" to just the two of them earlier rather than just having the "open" option. Not sure if Jaye would have accepted it earlier or not, but it probably would feel much better to players.

Edit: Personally, I'd also make Jaye's point threshold slightly more forgiving. Even just another 2-3 points of leeway would help reduce some of the feeling of having to min/max the poly path.
No one wants a polyamory relationship. That's just a weird way to get two vanilla paths in one playthrough.

We want a throuple. We want Jaye and Mallory to desire one another as lovers, not just friends, and for that lust to amplify the sexual tension and release in an AVN. They are both shown to be bisexual, so there's little reason to think this should not be possible. It was the job of the writers to have them develop feelings for one another through their shared experiences and connection to MC. This never happened. Instead, the writers chose to have the girls react differently (in terms of their relationships) to essentially the same set of life events depending on whether or not the MC fully commits to one or the other. I get that jealousy and insecurity are real things - but this isn't a story grounded in reality and never was.

If the writers felt that these kinds of interpersonal driving forces should heavily feature into their story, then they should have done so consistently throughout. MC should have been angry at Jaye and Tara upon learning of their sexual relationship (I mean, they're still best friends, why wouldn't MC feel jealous?), Jaye should have dated others while MC was away and probably had found a new relationship by the start of the story, Mallory and MC should not have put up with Amanda's non-consensual antics, Jaye should have been upset about MC continuing to text with Fiona, Erica should have been angry at Linda for cheating on her dad, Jaye and Mallory should have been angry about MC kissing Bianca in front of them (instead of both getting +love/trust points) when confronting the uncle, MC probably should have been turned off hearing about Lisa fucking her cousin (great date night talk, eh?), etc. Luckily, this was not the case, because that would not have been entertaining, which is ultimately what an AVN is about.
 

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No one wants a polyamory relationship. That's just a weird way to get two vanilla paths in one playthrough.

We want a throuple. We want Jaye and Mallory to desire one another as lovers, not just friends, and for that lust to amplify the sexual tension and release in an AVN. They are both shown to be bisexual, so there's little reason to think this should not be possible. It was the job of the writers to have them develop feelings for one another through their shared experiences and connection to MC. This never happened. Instead, the writers chose to have the girls react differently (in terms of their relationships) to essentially the same set of life events depending on whether or not the MC fully commits to one or the other. I get that jealousy and insecurity are real things - but this isn't a story grounded in reality and never was.

If the writers felt that these kinds of interpersonal driving forces should heavily feature into their story, then they should have done so consistently throughout. MC should have been angry at Jaye and Tara upon learning of their sexual relationship (I mean, they're still best friends, why wouldn't MC feel jealous?), Jaye should have dated others while MC was away and probably had found a new relationship by the start of the story, Mallory and MC should not have put up with Amanda's non-consensual antics, Jaye should have been upset about MC continuing to text with Fiona, Erica should have been angry at Linda for cheating on her dad, Jaye and Mallory should have been angry about MC kissing Bianca in front of them (instead of both getting +love/trust points) when confronting the uncle, MC probably should have been turned off hearing about Lisa fucking her cousin (great date night talk, eh?), etc. Luckily, this was not the case, because that would not have been entertaining, which is ultimately what an AVN is about.
You do realize a throuple is a form of polyamory, right?

Edit: On an aside, we haven't seen the epilogues yet. Who's to say Jaye and Mal don't decide trying a threesome could be fun... and decide they like it?
 
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