It's true that quite a lot of us don't want to play multiple times. That's why when it gets far in and the dev does something that requires a restart I just delete it - and if I'm a patron drop. Only exception is saving multiple paths when you know fairly on. Seeing the same thing over and over is just boring.
I think there was one game which gave me even more disappointment in terms of 4king branching that I never asked for. That was BaDIK. When some relatively minor choice of yours in Season 1 affects the amount of content and the lewd scenes in Season 3. Basically closes the path with a girl you like. And these scenes aren't even remotely related. Like 2 or 3 years of game development after you played that first scene. I tell you, it smells like shit a lot.
At least for me who has no time to replay a game multiple times.So, this game is relatively moderate in this sense.
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Nothing beats a blind playthrough for games, it's true. But never replaying them unless it has new fresh content for you is wild to me. It's quite nice to have a couple or even a few playthroughs on some games. You get a new perspective on it and you might see things differently. You get to witness character arcs from the beginning again and appreciate it more. You can see if you can spot hints to things that happen later, like plot twists and the like. You miss a lot of stuff usually, if you only play it once.
GarudoSCHE
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I think mods that add content that is different from the developers vision are just disrespectful. So I understand why such mods are banned. As for LI: if we consider this game specifically, then for the story it tells, their number is quite enough, and there is no point in adding more. This also applies to genres: those that fit well with the story were chosen.
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Chasing Sunsets has a poly/harem path and ending with Jaye and Mallory who are the main girls. The devs tried to do it in a way that made sense to them, which is having a good enough relationship with Jaye that she's willing to go down a rather risky road with the MC and Mallory.
The problem with many harem games IMO is the fact that you essentially need to strip much of the personality from the female characters. When I play VN's I like the women to feel as "real" and "human" as possible. How many women do you know who would be happy to share their man with other women? I don't know any and honestly I don't blame them.
I will happily replay a VN that doesn't have a poly or harem option. I think it's the responsibility of the developer to make each girls path feel as different and unique as possible, so that each run feels almost like a new experience.
Well, this is the part that is wrong (highlighted in RED)
People who don't share your viewpoint will not find it more appealing if the dev following your suggestion. At best, they will find it irrelevant, if not annoying or even downright loathing.
If you meant that it will make the game more appealing to people with your viewpoint, IN ADDITION to people not sharing that viewpoint, well then the problem is with your writing, because it definitely did not come across that way.
Let's hope you can comprehend the difference.
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There's actually quite a few people I've chatted with (in addition to myself) who rarely play AVNs more than 1-2 times, so on this point I agree that there's plenty of people that don't like to do multiple replays. For instance, I can count on one hand AVNs I've done more than 2 playthroughs, and probably less than two hands AVNs I've done more than 1 full playthrough (though I'm excluding ones where I get partially through on a blind playthrough, realize I've messed up badly, and restarted fresh for the rest of the AVN).
Yes, you can just skip through it to see alternate scenes, but that pretty much fully breaks my immersion as a reader. I almost never really enjoy the experience if I'm not fully rereading the whole thing, and I frankly only extremely rarely find an AVN that is interesting enough and that I have enough time to want to do that.
That said, I don't expect devs to cater to my reading style. It is however why I generally favor games with only 1-3 LIs, that have poly/harem paths (particularly if they have a lot of LIs), and/or that don't force you to go exclusive until quite close to the end of the game. If I see an AVN with like 6+ main LIs and read that it starts branching to exclusive monogamous-only routes early, unless there's a lot of other stuff that hooks my attention (like a very compelling story), I'm fairly likely to pass over it in favor of other AVNs simply because I won't feel like I'm missing as much content by only doing 1-2 playthroughs.
Consequently, it should come as little surprise that the Jaye/Mal poly path is how I went here, and at present the only full playthrough I have (have a Jaye-only one also which was my first blind playthrough, but it's only at like Chapter 7).
I legit am interested in seeing the Mal+Amanda path, but as I mentioned before... I'll have to likely wait until I feel like a full reread of CS because otherwise other AVNs I haven't yet read are generally just more appealing to me.
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First off thank you for a respectful response. I appreciate it after how some of the other folks have responded.
I think I understand where you're coming from but let me see if I can give a couple of metaphors to better explain.
A restaurant can make diet and non-diet sodas available. Vegan and non-vegan choices available. They are able to "pander" to all those people but adding the things for both doesn't TAKE AWAY anything from any of the other folks.
Another example: Gay marriage should be legal everywhere. Making it possible does nothing to straight people who want to marry. Making it legal gives the most amount of people something good without taking anything away from any others.
So game devs should (SHOULD, not MUST) want to make their games attractive to the most people in their target demographic as possible. That's just a good business strategy.
If there are players who when having the option to play a game that could be, for example, either a harem or a single LI game, why would they find that annoying or downright loathing it. As someone said to me, "that sounds like a you problem". If they find it irrelevant then they should be able to ignore it with no consequence.
But yes, the meaning was indeed supposed to be IN ADDITION. Sorry if that was not clear enough. I will gladly acknowledge my mistake.
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Man you have no Idea how lucky I am not knowing to read, and hence to comprehend what this whole discussion is about ....There's actually quite a few people I've chatted with (in addition to myself) who rarely play AVNs more than 1-2 times, so on this point I agree that there's plenty of people that don't like to do multiple replays. For instance, I can count on one hand AVNs I've done more than 2 playthroughs, and probably less than two hands AVNs I've done more than 1 full playthrough (though I'm excluding ones where I get partially through on a blind playthrough, realize I've messed up badly, and restarted fresh for the rest of the AVN).
Yes, you can just skip through it to see alternate scenes, but that pretty much fully breaks my immersion as a reader. I almost never really enjoy the experience if I'm not fully rereading the whole thing, and I frankly only extremely rarely find an AVN that is interesting enough and that I have enough time to want to do that.
That said, I don't expect devs to cater to my reading style. It is however why I generally favor games with only 1-3 LIs, that have poly/harem paths (particularly if they have a lot of LIs), and/or that don't force you to go exclusive until quite close to the end of the game. If I see an AVN with like 6+ main LIs and read that it starts branching to exclusive monogamous-only routes early, unless there's a lot of other stuff that hooks my attention (like a very compelling story), I'm fairly likely to pass over it in favor of other AVNs simply because I won't feel like I'm missing as much content by only doing 1-2 playthroughs.
Consequently, it should come as little surprise that the Jaye/Mal poly path is how I went here, and at present the only full playthrough I have (have a Jaye-only one also which was my first blind playthrough, but it's only at like Chapter 7).
I legit am interested in seeing the Mal+Amanda path, but as I mentioned before... I'll have to likely wait until I feel like a full reread of CS because otherwise other AVNs I haven't yet read are generally just more appealing to me.
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Hi, new player about to do a first-time playthrough, I'd like to know (now that the game is complete) if I need the incestpatch or not. I've seen some users say it messes the story up but I'm operating blind here since some devs uses "step" to dodge patreon policies etc.
I like the characters to feel real and human as possible also. So then here's a question for you. Do you feel that a bunch of the characters (at least Mal and Jaye) feel pretty real and human? What about the characters in BaDIK? Do a bunch of them feel real and human? So if those devs made it so you could play as a harem or as solo LI's in their games, WOULD THAT DETRACT FROM THE REALNESS AND HUMANESS OF THOSE CHARACTERS AS WRITTEN? I'm pretty darn sure the answer is no. They would be the same characters. But now you have the option to pokemon them or pick one and date them. So your problem with harem games is not that they are harem games, your problem is actually that the characters in a bunch of harem games aren't particularly well written. And I absolutely agree. But I also think there's quite a few harem games with very distinct, real, human characters in them. The Actual Roommates series is one. Grandma's House is another. Desert Stalker is another.
I personally know dozens. I have a ton of friends in the poly and swinger and kink communities. I've dated quite a few women who were overjoyed to share me, just like I was overjoyed to share them. Compersion is a real thing and it's incredible to feel it. I truly wish everyone could enjoy the feeling because there is nothing like a healthy, sexual relationship with more than one person. I am Team Bonobo all the way.
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Apples and oranges. You don't expect the restaurant to make a vegan dish out of pork meat yet you expect a dev to make different endings with the same characters even though many personality traits would make that a complete nonsense, e.g. a jealous, selfish person would never share their partner. Either devs throw out a huge amount of personality traits when creating characters or they simply can't do what you want them to do. Here Jaye's personality would make a harem ending completely nonsensical and terrible. The poly only makes sense because how it's made, it fits perfectly with the whole character build-up and Jaye still only accepts Mal and explicitly tells MC that other women are out of the question. For this she needs to know MC is faithful, loves her the same as she loves him and would choose her in any case even if he had feelings for somebody else too.
Gay marriage also has nothing to do with this topic and mostly has little to do with the rights either but the whole discussion would be very off-topic and I think it's pointless to write a lot just to get the thread nuked.
I understand that some Devs try to make their games as realistic as possible.
The problem with that, if you don't use so called porn logic, you have basically no fap material left.
I mean, I understand that some folks didn't have enough romantic relationships in their lives or didn't have relationships at all.
For them these games are like a simulator of life.
I, on the other hand, had dozens of various women in my life and only once I came close to creating a proper throuple (not one time action). So, naturally I want to see something in the AVNs that I haven't seen IRL, all sorts of kinks that I cannot experience otherwise.
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Speaking of incest. With Jaye, the problem was hidden with the possibly incorrect test. But what about Mallory? She is still Sara's clone. In fact, they still joke about it...
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It is worth remembering that we all grew up in different conditions and were taught different values, and what you consider right and natural, others may regard as something wrong.
No one will judge you here for your preferences, but you should not say: "because there is nothing like a healthy, sexual relationship with more than one person", because again, everyone has different morals and values.
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I'm not sure how such things apply to clones... There was such a thing in the game "My Dorm" but the whole thing with clones was invented to get around the rules of Patreon, well considering the game is still on Patreon it is not considered incest
But if we talk seriously, you need to have knowledge of genetic engineering and biology to give the right answer. Maybe in such cases something changes in the body, which is why it is no longer considered incest.
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The so-called "incest patch" for this game is a non-sensical aberration. The only thing remotely resembling incest in this game is the fact that MC and Jaye are stepsisters. Like, it's literally the whole premise of the game, the story builds on that, and it makes absolutely zero fucking sense to change that to real-blood siblings, you'll understand why when you play the game...
felicemastronzo
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In my opinion, the real discriminator is that Jaye lived as mc's sister, while Mallory was never familiar with him. Otherwise they would really be homologous cases.I'm not sure how such things apply to clones... There was such a thing in the game "My Dorm" but the whole thing with clones was invented to get around the rules of Patreon, well considering the game is still on Patreon it is not considered incest
But if we talk seriously, you need to have knowledge of genetic engineering and biology to give the right answer. Maybe in such cases something changes in the body, which is why it is no longer considered incest.
Science only cares about possible genetic problems
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