VN Ren'Py Completed Chasing Sunsets [v1.10a] [Stone Fox Studios]

[Rehwyn]

"We" understand...
You're certainly not the only one disappointed in the lack of action between Mallory and Jaye.
But, they're taking baby steps.
Mallory and Jaye will get it on, if not in the epilogue, then it'll just have to be head cannon...

To be clear, I definitely enjoy a good triad/throuple and hope they're willing to experiment a bit more in the epilogue.

Jaye has been with Tara, but it was more as a surrogate for MC in her mind. She still clearly considers herself mostly straight. I suspect opening up to both polyamory and bisexuality at the same time was asking too much too quickly. Give it a few weeks or months though and maybe she'll feel comfortable enough to explore the possibility...

That said, in real life, "vee" poly relationships are pretty common, so it's not unrealistic if they never shift to a triad. But I'd really, really like to see a threesome with them.

 

[TonyMurray]

No one wants a polyamory relationship. That's just a weird way to get two vanilla paths in one playthrough.

We want a throuple. We want Jaye and Mallory to desire one another as lovers, not just friends, and for that lust to amplify the sexual tension and release in an AVN. They are both shown to be bisexual, so there's little reason to think this should not be possible. It was the job of the writers to have them develop feelings for one another through their shared experiences and connection to MC. This never happened. Instead, the writers chose to have the girls react differently (in terms of their relationships) to essentially the same set of life events depending on whether or not the MC fully commits to one or the other. I get that jealousy and insecurity are real things - but this isn't a story grounded in reality and never was.

If the writers felt that these kinds of interpersonal driving forces should heavily feature into their story, then they should have done so consistently throughout. MC should have been angry at Jaye and Tara upon learning of their sexual relationship (I mean, they're still best friends, why wouldn't MC feel jealous?), Jaye should have dated others while MC was away and probably had found a new relationship by the start of the story, Mallory and MC should not have put up with Amanda's non-consensual antics, Jaye should have been upset about MC continuing to text with Fiona, Erica should have been angry at Linda for cheating on her dad, Jaye and Mallory should have been angry about MC kissing Bianca in front of them (instead of both getting +love/trust points) when confronting the uncle, MC probably should have been turned off hearing about Lisa fucking her cousin (great date night talk, eh?), etc. Luckily, this was not the case, because that would not have been entertaining, which is ultimately what an AVN is about.

Yes, I understand what you're saying, and yes, I would like to see that too, but a lot of what you say is also wrong. It's not the writers' job to have Jaye and Mallory develop feelings for each other. You're putting your ideas into the heads of the creators. They had a different idea to yours, it doesn't make it the wrong one, it's just not the one that you (or admittedly the majority, it seems) wanted to see. Ultimately, what you wanted doesn't fit the personality they crafted for Jaye and/or Mallory, and it wouldn't feel right for them to shoehorn in a relationship that didn't fit. I can understand that, and I can clearly see the reasoning in the dialogue throughout the game, but in particular in the last episode or two. A lot of what you seem annoyed at here looks like it is based on how you would have reacted in the shoes of various characters, but they are not like you, so they are going to react differently.

With regards to bisexuality, Jaye clearly gives notice of her thoughts on a couple of occasions. She is not interested. She may have tested the waters with Tara when she was younger (although it wasn't exactly in a romance/relationship way), but that doesn't mean her sexuality will be the same now as it was then. Things change, people develop. To borrow from a popular phrase, people do, in fact, sometimes go back after trying black. My wife used to be a vegetarian, but she isn't anymore. It would be wrong to call her a vegetarian now, as she's changed. Although I never would belittle her decisions this way, you could say it was just a phase she was going through. It's the same with a lot of women saying they "experimented" in their younger years. It doesn't mean they are bisexual, just that they once had a taste of it.

 

[BeingADikDik]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, and yes, I would like to see that too, but a lot of what you say is also wrong. It's not the writers' job to have Jaye and Mallory develop feelings for each other. You're putting your ideas into the heads of the creators. They had a different idea to yours, it doesn't make it the wrong one, it's just not the one that you (or admittedly the majority, it seems) wanted to see. Ultimately, what you wanted doesn't fit the personality they crafted for Jaye and/or Mallory, and it wouldn't feel right for them to shoehorn in a relationship that didn't fit. I can understand that, and I can clearly see the reasoning in the dialogue throughout the game, but in particular in the last episode or two. A lot of what you seem annoyed at here looks like it is based on how you would have reacted in the shoes of various characters, but they are not like you, so they are going to react differently.

With regards to bisexuality, Jaye clearly gives notice of her thoughts on a couple of occasions. She is not interested. She may have tested the waters with Tara when she was younger (although it wasn't exactly in a romance/relationship way), but that doesn't mean her sexuality will be the same now as it was then. Things change, people develop. To borrow from a popular phrase, people do, in fact, sometimes go back after trying black. My wife used to be a vegetarian, but she isn't anymore. It would be wrong to call her a vegetarian now, as she's changed. Although I never would belittle her decisions this way, you could say it was just a phase she was going through. It's the same with a lot of women saying they "experimented" in their younger years. It doesn't mean they are bisexual, just that they once had a taste of it.

That's all fine. But now that we know better what's in the dev's minds, the same kind of teasing won't work in future titles since we know it won't payoff. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

 

[Rehwyn]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, and yes, I would like to see that too, but a lot of what you say is also wrong. It's not the writers' job to have Jaye and Mallory develop feelings for each other. You're putting your ideas into the heads of the creators. They had a different idea to yours, it doesn't make it the wrong one, it's just not the one that you (or admittedly the majority, it seems) wanted to see. Ultimately, what you wanted doesn't fit the personality they crafted for Jaye and/or Mallory, and it wouldn't feel right for them to shoehorn in a relationship that didn't fit. I can understand that, and I can clearly see the reasoning in the dialogue throughout the game, but in particular in the last episode or two. A lot of what you seem annoyed at here looks like it is based on how you would have reacted in the shoes of various characters, but they are not like you, so they are going to react differently.

With regards to bisexuality, Jaye clearly gives notice of her thoughts on a couple of occasions. She is not interested. She may have tested the waters with Tara when she was younger (although it wasn't exactly in a romance/relationship way), but that doesn't mean her sexuality will be the same now as it was then. Things change, people develop. To borrow from a popular phrase, people do, in fact, sometimes go back after trying black. My wife used to be a vegetarian, but she isn't anymore. It would be wrong to call her a vegetarian now, as she's changed. Although I never would belittle her decisions this way, you could say it was just a phase she was going through. It's the same with a lot of women saying they "experimented" in their younger years. It doesn't mean they are bisexual, just that they once had a taste of it.

Agreed on essentially all this.

I will say however that Jaye openly admits she gets off reading/hearing about MC being with other women. Even if nothing develops or happens between Jaye and Mal, I could see Jaye potentially be interested in watching MC and Mal or a threesome where MC is the focus and she doesn't directly do anything with Mal (or only does a little bit because she likes seeing Mal and MC feel good).

 

[redoubt27]

To be clear, I definitely enjoy a good triad/throuple and hope they're willing to experiment a bit more in the epilogue.

Jaye has been with Tara, but it was more as a surrogate for MC in her mind. She still clearly considers herself mostly straight. I suspect opening up to both polyamory and bisexuality at the same time was asking too much too quickly. Give it a few weeks or months though and maybe she'll feel comfortable enough to explore the possibility...

That said, in real life, "vee" poly relationships are pretty common, so it's not unrealistic if they never shift to a triad. But I'd really, really like to see a threesome with them.

I hear ya, and agree with what you and TonyMurray have posted.
I like the story as written, the Jaye to poly path makes sense to me, and can see what the writers were probably thinking.
But, I do understand those that feel betrayed, let down, etc., even though it's mostly that the story didn't go the way they expected. I wanted to have that throuple threesome with Mallory and Jaye, but not disappointed or surprised it didn't fully work out that way...yet...

 

[MiltonPowers]

You do realize a throuple is a form of polyamory, right?

Edit: On an aside, we haven't seen the epilogues yet. Who's to say Jaye and Mal don't decide trying a threesome could be fun... and decide they like it?

You never know, they've already nose booped.

 

[Rehwyn]

You never know, they've already nose booped.


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You're right, basically married already with that level of lewdness.

 

[Cabin Fever]

You need to get 95 Jaye points and you’re just going to ignore an easy 2 points?

Yes. My point is that it is entirely possible to ignore those 2 points and STILL get to 95. Anyone disagreeing with that is simply ignoring basic math and reality and would rather present exaggeration and hyperbole as truth.

 

[Alderamin]

Finally managed to get both girls, I fell into the open relationship trap with Mallory. Now I'm waiting for the epilogue to fill in the details because it is only brought up in the very last section of the game.
Also I'm not sure what the intended setup will be because MC stated very clearly to Mallory that it was just sex and his relationship is with Jaye. Jaye on the other hand only has eyes for MC but loves Mal, I assume in a platonic way. So what's it going to be for Mal?

 

[Walter Victor]

So what's it going to be for Mal?

Sex with the MC, but without Jaye being present.

At least, that's my guess.

 

[Rehwyn]

Finally managed to get both girls, I fell into the open relationship trap with Mallory. Now I'm waiting for the epilogue to fill in the details because it is only brought up in the very last section of the game.
Also I'm not sure what the intended setup will be because MC stated very clearly to Mallory that it was just sex and his relationship is with Jaye. Jaye on the other hand only has eyes for MC but loves Mal, I assume in a platonic way. So what's it going to be for Mal?

MC started that it was just sex with Mal at the time, but it's clear that it's evolved beyond that with time and MC says as much to Jaye when she asks. Even at the time of your discussion with Mal, the impression I got was that it was "just sex" mainly because MC couldn't offer more due to his long-time romantic interest in Jaye and not wanting to hurt her or that relationship. With polyamory now on the table, MC is free to explore romantic feelings with Mal further that he likely was suppressing until now.

Personally, I expect a vee polycule with Mal and Jaye as metamours and MC as the hinge. But we could be pleasantly surprised and find out there's some mutual attraction between them that they start to allow themselves to explore now that they're open to polyamory.

 

[romero94]

This game is trash anyway, so why bother?

 

[Rehwyn]

This game is trash anyway, so why bother?

 

[Walter Victor]

 

[PaxHadrian17]

This is a Chasing Sunsets PSA:

Please don't pay the troll (reactions are tolls...).

Just put that alt id on ignore and move about the Chasing Sunsets park in peace.

You will no longer notice the troll and they will go find another bridge for a home.

Cheers!!

 

[OsirianObsidian]

From a "gaming" perspective, I agree. It's an odd choice and I can see how it feels like a bait-and-switch to some.

However, from a narrative and character perspective, I get it.

Poly relationships can come from open relationships that decide to commit, but it's probably more common for a couple to open their relationship to one (or more) additional partners. So the way it comes to be isn't unrealistic.

More importantly, healthy poly relationships need to have a good handle on jealousy, and the main causes of jealousy in relationships are personal insecurities such as feeling inadequate and fear of abandonment. Due to their past, Jaye has these in spades when it comes to MC. By comparison, Mal has far fewer relationship hiccups specifically about MC. I haven't played the open path yet to see, but from what I've heard Jaye struggles far more with these issues on that path compared to if you commit to her. So in that regard, it makes sense to me that she's much better able to resolve these insecurities enough to be comfortable sharing on the path where MC commits to her despite also having a clear attraction to Mal.

So I can see what they were trying to do, but it feels like from a gaming perspective it could have been handled a bit better by presenting options where the MC could "commit" to just the two of them earlier rather than just having the "open" option. Not sure if Jaye would have accepted it earlier or not, but it probably would feel much better to players.

Edit: Personally, I'd also make Jaye's point threshold slightly more forgiving. Even just another 2-3 points of leeway would help reduce some of the feeling of having to min/max the poly path.

Insecurity? Fear of abandonment?

It’s almost like there should have been another metric called Trust that was also a factor in deciding whether or not Jaye and Mallory accepted a poly relationship.

 

[Rehwyn]

Insecurity? Fear of abandonment?

It’s almost like there should have been another metric called Trust that was also a factor in deciding whether or not Jaye and Mallory accepted a poly relationship.

Honestly a little weird it doesn't check that in addition to Love, but whatever. I'm not a huge fan of very hard to reach point thresholds anyways. Should be secondary to major decisions, in my opinion. At least if points are so important, Chasing Sunsets gives you instant feedback about points and the chapter summary, rather than keeping them fully hidden without mods.

 

[Nerdbro]

Is the game really completed? Just finished it and feels like there's so much to go..

 

[Rehwyn]

Is the game really completed? Just finished it and feels like there's so much to go..

Yes and no. Main plot is done, but the Epilogue is coming out in a few months that actually ties up how whatever relationship you're in goes.

 

[Nerdbro]

Yes and no. Main plot is done, but the Epilogue is coming out in a few months that actually ties up how whatever relationship you're in goes.

Main story's pretty short huh shame really like the game wish it was longer