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Well... you can't please everybody, I guess. By the decision to have twenty datable characters with a "something for everyone" approach the dev probably was trying to make sure nobody saw something they don't like and then came back to complain. You say she overdid it with Izzy's group sex scene, I made this memefication about Bai, because on his route are a lot of options to back out too:

All in all it's a learning experience about finding the right balance. I'm sure her next game(s) will profit from it. :)
Lol that was quite funny.....I feel you.... but come on man...look a this!

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if somebody complains about seeing a group sex after this they deserve to be pointed and laughed at...

I know is a learning experience and stuff, but why wait until her "next game"? she could just...you know....fix it in an update?... I mean if not a deal breaker or something, but I don't enjoy when the devs treat me like Im a toddler, this is an adult game ffs...
 
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seriously, what's up with all this warning bullcrap in the group scene with Izzy? I mean is pretty obvious what is going to happen, why put all these warnings like we are about to kill somebody? honestly feels like the dev was bullied by some crybabies with zero social skills that got traumatized by seeing some other dick that the MC's... I mean if you want to put group content in the game own it and don't be ashamed of it, of course, make it clear by the context of the conversation for the people who aren't into that instead of those warning signs like we are going to do something bad...
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I agree with you.

The problem is that there is a vocal minority in this community that cannot fathom or accept that any male other than the MC ever has had sex in his life, and seeing it (for reasons that I cannot comprehend) sends them into a fit.
 
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I agree with you.

The problem is that there is a vocal minority in this community that cannot fathom or accept that any male other than the MC ever has had sex in his life, and seeing it (for reasons that I cannot comprehend) sends them into a fit.
In some cases, they can't even fathom that other men exist at all, which is why we get a lot of harem style games where you never ever see another male character...and sometimes they even make up some story where 'all the men left the village' or 'died in the big war'.
 

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In some cases, they can't even fathom that other men exist at all, which is why we get a lot of harem style games where you never ever see another male character...and sometimes they even make up some story where 'all the men left the village' or 'died in the big war'.
I realize there are other men & women in the world of the game. I have even told a few Devs that they are forgetting that fact. I have no issue if MC runs across some other guy and catch that guy banging the crap out of his own girlfriend(or even someone else's girlfriend or wife). Does make me want to steal her from him. But Catching said guy banging one of MC's girls is where I start having problems. Sorry I just don't like sharing that much!!!! But that is just me and we each have our own kinks.
 

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I realize there are other men & women in the world of the game. I have even told a few Devs that they are forgetting that fact. I have no issue if MC runs across some other guy and catch that guy banging the crap out of his own girlfriend(or even someone else's girlfriend or wife). Does make me want to steal her from him. But Catching said guy banging one of MC's girls is where I start having problems. Sorry I just don't like sharing that much!!!! But that is just me and we each have our own kinks.
Yeap, and that's all fine. Some games have that content. Sometimes it's optional. It's totally fine not to like it.
 

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Lol that was quite funny.....I feel you.... but come on man...look a this!

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if somebody complains about seeing a group sex after this they deserve to be pointed and laughed at...

I know is a learning experience and stuff, but why wait until her "next game"? she could just...you know....fix it in an update?... I mean if not a deal breaker or something, but I don't enjoy when the devs treat me like Im a toddler, this is an adult game ffs...
I get it.

I think I will go ahead and remove that second warning. I was very concerned about this scene (rightfully so, because I got absolutely harassed on here for it, and am STILL receiving nasty posts and frequent facepalms about it). Obviously the warnings didn't do any good, and they're just complaining that the scene exists at all, whether they actually watched it or not.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. There will continue to be things asking you to opt in to certain content, because I want people to be able to skip the content that they're not interested in, but I agree the warnings for this one were a little overboard and you nailed it when you said it was because I had been bullied into doing it.
 

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I think I will go ahead and remove that second warning. I was very concerned about this scene (rightfully so, because I got absolutely harassed on here for it, and am STILL receiving nasty posts and frequent facepalms about it). Obviously the warnings didn't do any good, and they're just complaining that the scene exists at all, whether they actually watched it or not.
Fuck'em. Bring on more swinging/sharing content for some of the other girls!
 

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I get it.

I think I will go ahead and remove that second warning. I was very concerned about this scene (rightfully so, because I got absolutely harassed on here for it, and am STILL receiving nasty posts and frequent facepalms about it). Obviously the warnings didn't do any good, and they're just complaining that the scene exists at all, whether they actually watched it or not.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. There will continue to be things asking you to opt in to certain content, because I want people to be able to skip the content that they're not interested in, but I agree the warnings for this one were a little overboard and you nailed it when you said it was because I had been bullied into doing it.
Oh didn't expect an actual response from the dev...well thanks!

I've been a while in this site...I know I said I don't want to be treated like a toddler but I swear to god some people here really makes me think they might be actual toddlers behind the keyboard if they aren't crying about their LI not being a pure virgin they are complaining about some optional fetish not being optional enough ...Im sorry you got bullied into putting those warnings...even if sharing is not super high on my kinks list, I really liked the scene and though it was super hot and well made, so is their lost! Also I liked to make peace with Devon at the end he is a cool dude.

Fuck'em. Bring on more swinging/sharing content for some of the other girls!
Hell yeah, fuck them! I want a massive orgy with all the LIs including Bai fucking the MC in the main menu XD
 

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Fuck'em. Bring on more swinging/sharing content for some of the other girls!
Fuck yes! Please! I would really love to have more situations where non-commited characters are having sex with multiple partners, and everyone is cool with it. Having female characters that are strong willed, open with their sexuality, and get freaky with multiple dudes is extremely hot for me.

I love Brandi in this game, and hope that we get to see a lot more of that kind of thing from her. She's awesome. I'm also totally down for a female character who's dating the MC and also fucking her own family because she wants to, and any number of other situations. I don't want possessive MCs. Just single guys who roll with it and have a good time.
 

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In some cases, they can't even fathom that other men exist at all, which is why we get a lot of harem style games where you never ever see another male character...and sometimes they even make up some story where 'all the men left the village' or 'died in the big war'.
Well, I see that there are people very infuriated about people who do not like to share women or who receive ntr lmao. I will only say that if in a fantasy game mainly porn without much plot, I do not expect it to be REALISTIC. If I want that, I will read books or games with a story with secondary sexual content like the witcher 3 or other similar kinds of games. So excuse people who want women from porn games to be unrealistic for them lol. And here comes my question, of the 20 romanceable characters, which is the one that sleeps with others when you are already in a relationship with her or which is the one that has a liberal relationship with the MC?
 

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Well, I see that there are people very infuriated about people who do not like to share women or who receive ntr lmao.
Not infuriated that they don't want that, just that many of them absolutely lose their shit and/or quit a game even if it contains that content as avoidable. I never want to force my tastes on someone, so they should accept that people like what they like and as long as it's optional/avoidable, to just leave it be. Anyway, what you quoted me for was replying to someone's reply about the amount of warnings before reaching said content. I think a better solution to that is before even starting the story part of the game, have a setup screen up that says, "Do you want to enable Sharing/Swinging/NTR?" and then use their response throughout to game to either enable or disable those situations.

As for your question about who, I would say have it be optional for each of them...or probably better, there are obviously some characters that are seem to be written to have that sort of personality, (Ms. Welch, Mrs. McGee, Brandi, Tammy). Of course, should always be optional for folks who just aren't into that.
 

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And here comes my question, of the 20 romanceable characters, which is the one that sleeps with others when you are already in a relationship with her or which is the one that has a liberal relationship with the MC?
  • Mrs. McGee and Gertrude are married. It is reasonable to assume they have sex with their husbands.
  • Jez is a single mom in a stressful job who has sexual needs. Whether she'll have sex with other men while sleeping with MC we don't know.
  • Izzy sleeps with whom she wants. If you (or other people *cough*Devon*cough*) can't handle that you'll probably not see eye to eye. I always say Izzy is the MC of her own AVN and MC can become part of her casual harem. :D
  • Suzy and Tammy are joined at the hip. It is insinuated that they have some intimate relations. Since you cannot just date one of them without the other my guess is that this might become more open in the future.
 
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  • Mrs. McGee and Gertrude are married. It is reasonable to assume they have sex with their husbands.
  • Jez is a single mom in a stressful job who has sexual needs. Whether she'll have sex with other men while sleeping with MC we don't know.
  • Izzy sleeps with whom she wants. If you (or other people *cough*Devon*cough*) can't handle that you'll probably not see eye to eye. I always say Izzy is the MC of her own AVN and MC can become part of her casual harem. :D
  • Suzy and Tammy are joined by the hip. It is insinuated that they have some intimate relations. Since you cannot just date one of them without the other my guess is that this might become more open in the future.
Not infuriated that they don't want that, just that many of them absolutely lose their shit and/or quit a game even if it contains that content as avoidable. I never want to force my tastes on someone, so they should accept that people like what they like and as long as it's optional/avoidable, to just leave it be. Anyway, what you quoted me for was replying to someone's reply about the amount of warnings before reaching said content. I think a better solution to that is before even starting the story part of the game, have a setup screen up that says, "Do you want to enable Sharing/Swinging/NTR?" and then use their response throughout to game to either enable or disable those situations.

As for your question about who, I would say have it be optional for each of them...or probably better, there are obviously some characters that are seem to be written to have that sort of personality, (Ms. Welch, Mrs. McGee, Brandi, Tammy). Of course, should always be optional for folks who just aren't into that.
Yes, sorry for putting you. It was another lol. I didn't realize it until you answered lmao. Sorry for that. Thanks for replying anyway. And yes, I agree with you too. It is preferable that if it is not mandatory for the story there is simply an option to turn it off as in The Tyrant so it does not take you by surprise after playing her route for an hour or more. That's my problem with sharing or avoidable but unavoidable ntr with a girl. By the time I realize it, I've already wasted my time lmao. For example, with someone married or with a boyfriend I do not care since it is netori in the first place and because it is not something surprising. Thank you both for responding the same without insulting me for not liking those tastes. And sorry for my english
 

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Thank you both for responding the same without insulting me for not liking those tastes. And sorry for my english
Don't worry, you're an example how a good(tm) dialogue can happen. It's the people who act like they're entitled to something and go REEE that lead to comments getting removed by annoyed mods. :ROFLMAO:

I think a better solution to that is before even starting the story part of the game, have a setup screen up that says, "Do you want to enable Sharing/Swinging/NTR?" and then use their response throughout to game to either enable or disable those situations.
It is preferable that if it is not mandatory for the story there is simply an option to turn it off as in The Tyrant so it does not take you by surprise after playing her route for an hour or more.
I agree that when it's that simple a universal switch sometimes makes sense. Two problems that I see are a) not everyone agrees on what ntr is, what sharing is. All those fruitless discussions that led to the "we use the f95 definitions of the tags, like it or leave it" disclaimer in OP. Getting AVN users to agree on these definitions is like herding fleas. And b) there are characters in this game that some will play all the same (spoiler: Gertrude is unhappily married, maybe she's not having sex with her husband after all, who knows?) who you might still want to play, because some walk the fine line that might make you think. :)
 

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I agree that when it's that simple a universal switch sometimes makes sense. Two problems that I see are a) not everyone agrees on what ntr is, what sharing is. All those fruitless discussions that led to the "we use the f95 definitions of the tags, like it or leave it" disclaimer in OP. Getting AVN users to agree on these definitions is like herding fleas. And b) there are characters in this game that some will play all the same (spoiler: Gertrude is unhappily married, maybe she's not having sex with her husband after all, who knows?) who you might still want to play, because some walk the fine line that might make you think. :)
Yeah, that is a good point. Maybe such a setup screen would need to break it down and describe what the game itself is defining as that content so the players can make an informed decision on what they want to enable. I dunno, just trying to throw out ideas :)
 

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which is the one that sleeps with others when you are already in a relationship with her?
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I think a better solution to that is before even starting the story part of the game, have a setup screen up that says, "Do you want to enable Sharing/Swinging/NTR?" and then use their response throughout to game to either enable or disable those situations.
Terrible solution, I don't like foot fetish, but if a character is interesting or has meaningful/entertaining interactions I might want to be able to experience it and I might even indulge in some foot fetish stuff to see it, even if is not my thing, if you force us to choice before even knowing the characters we are just seeing them as kinks with legs instead of actual characters.

Now if you are only talking about adding the setup screen to remove only the specific choices that will lead to the kink in question and not the whole character I gotta ask, do you like being treated like a toddler?, I prefer when the game trust Im an adult capable of understanding social cues/basic reading and presents the choice in a more immersive way, like characters talking about it and giving a nice heads up to see if I want to bail out or not.

Well, I see that there are people very infuriated about people who do not like to share women or who receive ntr lmao. I will only say that if in a fantasy game mainly porn without much plot, I do not expect it to be REALISTIC. If I want that, I will read books or games with a story with secondary sexual content like the witcher 3 or other similar kinds of games. So excuse people who want women from porn games to be unrealistic for them lol.
If you want porn without plot there are plenty of porn videos on the web, they are 5-10 mins and can be as unrealistic as you want, now this is a visual novel, and the reason I like AVN is because I like to get my porn with a story, and I like good stories, or at least interesting characters. Now, of course there is no need to be 100% realistic, in fact, this game is pretty unrealistic if you ask me, or are you forgetting you are dating 19 women (and a guy) at the same time and all of them are cool with that?, literally zero consequences, now getting mad because 1 of 20 LI's is into sharing sounds a little entitled don't you think?.
 
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