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Avaron1974

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Aug 22, 2018
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remember guys....its was create in 2019 and we got 2 update.....LOL
That's why people lost faith.

The dev didn't do enough to win everyone over and now it's just excuses and the whole "i'm a perfectionist" thing just doesn't wash anymore.

In fact, going through the thread, there seems to be only 1 person still believing that.
 

Zolkane

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Jun 2, 2017
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That's why people lost faith.

The dev didn't do enough to win everyone over and now it's just excuses and the whole "i'm a perfectionist" thing just doesn't wash anymore.

In fact, going through the thread, there seems to be only 1 person still believing that.
i even said back in the thread he was a fraud, sadly russian dev dont deliver but have great story and art but dont have work ethic. But my theory his its the same fuckingn guy then secret reloaded. They appeared in the same time, talk same way and never deliver. People forget them and restart the gamer after 1 year and people restart following them
 

OneDankBoii

New Member
Nov 14, 2018
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He really should just remove the side characters, they're a waste of development time, nobody gives a shit about them, just focus on Lora, the rest are trash and a waste of time.
Don't you talk shit about Lindsey. Lora is a bitch that left MC when he needed her. Also, her body weird.
 
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byskup

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Apr 26, 2017
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I understood the message. I just wanted to clear my name.

Regarding my screenshot...
I see a lot of people discussing. "He should've done x amount of renders or he should be focusing on this or on that"
I am telling you, the rendering part is the easiest part of the workflow. Adding the context and the story surounding those renders is the hardest thing.

Writers spend years building a novel, and there are only words on paper. Now imagine having to build visuals around that + coding.
I think this story is one of the best on the site, and I shared the conversation only to let others know that they're reasons why the development takes this much time (also it doesn't spoil anything, it just adds more depth to an already great VN).
And one of the reasons is that he's creating a masterpiece. The renders are just icing on the cake.
There's depth to this story and I am big fan. This is not just a "milf + boy wincest gotcha story"
This is my opinion and personal belief.
I do hope you’re not comparing screenplay of the porn game to books written by the actual writers. I do hope you take it back, because else you are just throwing words out of your mouth and disgrace yourself in a process.
 

Helmeted Smith

Vanqwar
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Sep 15, 2020
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I do hope you’re not comparing screenplay of the porn game to books written by the actual writers. I do hope you take it back, because else you are just throwing words out of your mouth and disgrace yourself in a process.
I consider this MORE than a porn game. My arguments; depth, grey characters and psychological undertones. I recognized the potential and what the dev is trying to do, NOT a gallery of pretty renders, but something quite complex. I am in full support of that.

To be clear, I am not defending the work ethic of the dev, I'm more in support of the story's integrity. And if it takes time, then is takes time (it's unfortunate, but it's a reality).
I see something interesting (original even) in this game and I want to encourage the dev. That's all! Putting someone down it's easy and it doesn't lead to anything.
Also, another thing I respect; with his render quality, he could've gone full commercial (with a surface level story), he could've had thousands of patreons by now, but I don't see that. I think that he's trying to craft a great, in depth story. That's my belief at the moment.

If someone strives to make something great and MORE than a simple porn game, even challenge the great writers, I have nothing against that. I'd say... Be a mad-lad and DO IT!

Also, do you think is much of a stretch for a Game Of Thrones type book to be adapted into an adult game?
Come on!

Another thing...
It really saddens me that some of you only see the surface level stuff, the X amount of renders and don't recognize the depth underneath it.
It's a shame, because this is suppose to be a mature audience.
 

Duriel

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Aug 25, 2017
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It really saddens me that some of you only see the surface level stuff, the X amount of renders and don't recognize the depth underneath it.
It's a shame, because this is suppose to be a mature audience.
I remember wandering a bit on both here and his discord and coming across people going full "AAHH DON'T YOU DARE PUTTING NTR ON IT!" when it was hinted by the dev after answering some spoiler questions, I remember him trying to downplay the situation by making jokes and we encouraged him to keep making the game he wants and not what others demand.

Though his "playful" attitude to dismiss fan's demands/ramblings, while being the polite move to ignore them, left me somewhat fearful that he might be the insecure person bound to break down to pressure eventually, given how he's facing all these issues of his own now.

I really hope what he is lacking from a work ethic perspective will make up with a integral story uncontaminated by unwanted demands/pressure.
 

byskup

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I consider this MORE than a porn game. My arguments; depth, grey characters and psychological undertones. I recognized the potential and what the dev is trying to do, NOT a gallery of pretty renders, but something quite complex. I am in full support of that.

To be clear, I am not defending the work ethic of the dev, I'm more in support of the story's integrity. And if it takes time, then is takes time (it's unfortunate, but it's a reality).
I see something interesting (original even) in this game and I want to encourage the dev. That's all! Putting someone down it's easy and it doesn't lead to anything.
Also, another thing I respect; with his render quality, he could've gone full commercial (with a surface level story), he could've had thousands of patreons by now, but I don't see that. I think that he's trying to craft a great, in depth story. That's my belief at the moment.

If someone strives to make something great and MORE than a simple porn game, even challenge the great writers, I have nothing against that. I'd say... Be a mad-lad and DO IT!

Also, do you think is much of a stretch for a Game Of Thrones type book to be adapted into an adult game?
Come on!

Another thing...
It really saddens me that some of you only see the surface level stuff, the X amount of renders and don't recognize the depth underneath it.
It's a shame, because this is suppose to be a mature audience.
People should read more books and play less games/watch movies. Writers put depths of the characters in HUNDREDS of pages. Few lines in these games doesnt make any depths :D
God, with internet everyone thinks they are eligible to express their opinion and makes them live in such delusions :rolleyes:
 

Duriel

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Aug 25, 2017
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People should read more books and play less games/watch movies. Writers put depths of the characters in HUNDREDS of pages. Few lines in these games doesnt make any depths :D
God, with internet everyone thinks they are eligible to express their opinion and makes them live in such delusions :rolleyes:
While the level of enrichment granted from reading books is out of question, I disagree that watching movies/playing games is devoid of any depth.

In games and movies, of those hundreds of lines, fewer are selected and then complemented by visual, direction, music and all the other forms of art that in the end give you the movie, game and other forms of media.

Its a different medium to tell a story, often times a movie or game can reach a person drastically more thanks to its other qualities that books lack, especially if said person is not into books and not necessarily out of laziness.

We just enjoy different things in different ways and each one of them can hold some level of depth
 

Helmeted Smith

Vanqwar
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Sep 15, 2020
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People should read more books and play less games/watch movies. Writers put depths of the characters in HUNDREDS of pages. Few lines in these games doesnt make any depths :D
God, with internet everyone thinks they are eligible to express their opinion and makes them live in such delusions :rolleyes:
Yet, a picture or a scene can have more impact than TOUSAND words.
Writers have it easy. They have the advantage of limitless words and pages. Visuals on the other hand...
My argument was not about which one is better, but the fact that the latter is much harder to do (from an artistic point of view).

Everybody can write words, few can paint.

EDIT:
My second argument was that; one (dev) should not be afraid to explore depth, even in the context of an adult game, even limited by the method of expression.
 
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PuroBogotà

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I'm all for exploring situations and themes not commonly found in porn games, deep and complex characters and all that good stuff... but at the end of the day you have to actually make the game, which is something that this dev has apparently not been doing for the last 10 months.
 
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