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Maviarab

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Talking about redepemtion how do you redeem yourself from cheating on someone?
Remember folks, according to the dev Clara never cheats...not once, nope, nadda, zilch...nope....she is not a cheater, she is not unfaithful.

Because she still loves Alan and it's all part of the job (devs words). Sorry about that gangbang honey...I thought of you every time a cock entered me though....






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I was looking at the Dev statements regarding Claras path. They said your choices will decide how corrupt Clara will be. So basically 1 dick or 20 dicks.
 
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Remember folks, according to the dev Clara never cheats...not once, nope, nadda, zilch...nope....she is not a cheater, she is not unfaithful.

Because she still loves Alan and it's all part of the job (devs words). Sorry about that gangbang honey...I thought of you every time a cock entered me though....






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I really hope your joking. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I'm not. The devs deffinition of cheating and unfaithful differs vastly from most of ours. Search my posts here and the devs responses.
Wow I read them. they even say she is doing for the mission. She was in her robe drinking what mission was she on at that moment Operation Dick. Definition of faithful is weird once a dick that aint your husbands is in you. You are no longer faithful. Dude thanks for the laugh that was funny.
 

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I do enjoy NTR games. I've played most of them but I usually try and play the ones that don't also have the cheating tag. i prefer the sharing/hotwife paths on most games. I do think that most developers have overused the "giant cock vs. little cock" rationale for the wife straying a little too much. In my opinion, not every game has to be that the wife is just hypnotized by the new guys giant cock and then every other guy she comes across is also bigger than the husbands. I have enjoyed some games that are like that but it has been overdone so many times it's almost cliche at this point. I would like a little bit more imagination into the game. For instance in this game, the developer has at least given a new reason for her straying. She was upset over the husband possibly cheating, she got drunk and then got seduced by another guy. I don't have a problem with him having a better body than the husband but then throwing in another monster dick that totally infatuates the wife. Just make him as big as the husband and she can enjoy it just because he does it differently and she likes the variation. Anyway, that's just my opinion, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, just makes it mine. And one final thing, I do enjoy this game, I think it's better than most.
 

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Remember folks, according to the dev Clara never cheats...not once, nope, nadda, zilch...nope....she is not a cheater, she is not unfaithful.

Because she still loves Alan and it's all part of the job (devs words). Sorry about that gangbang honey...I thought of you every time a cock entered me though....






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Maybe Clara saw Eddie Murthy’s bit and will use it on Alan :ROFLMAO:
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Yes Alan I fucked Leon
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but it was just sex, I love your little Alan and want to make sweet love with you Alan:ROFLMAO:
 

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I give a standing ovation to all the readers who gave comments on the last pages of the forum! Very vivid emotional and, importantly, with real-life examples. That's how I want to come up with something and say it! There was an episode in the plot of the game when Alan makes a choice depending on which Clara dies or gets a veiled permission to cheat! Clara agreed to do the honey tasks, but she has a noble excuse! Clara saves her beloved husband! Clara was so used to saving her husband that she really changed! Cheating was not a small action, but a real stormy night spent in bed with Leon! Clara, of course, is tormented by remorse and uncertainty in her relationship with Alan. Therefore, in the morning Clara met with Alan and found out that Alan still loves her! In this case, Alan absolves Clara for the second time in the game and supports Clara to participate in honey tasks! Alan still doesn't understand what's going on with Clara! And bad things will happen to Clara! Clara will have to work as a secretary and office wife indefinitely!
 

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I give a standing ovation to all the readers who gave comments on the last pages of the forum! Very vivid emotional and, importantly, with real-life examples. That's how I want to come up with something and say it! There was an episode in the plot of the game when Alan makes a choice depending on which Clara dies or gets a veiled permission to cheat! Clara agreed to do the honey tasks, but she has a noble excuse! Clara saves her beloved husband! Clara was so used to saving her husband that she really changed! Cheating was not a small action, but a real stormy night spent in bed with Leon! Clara, of course, is tormented by remorse and uncertainty in her relationship with Alan. Therefore, in the morning Clara met with Alan and found out that Alan still loves her! In this case, Alan absolves Clara for the second time in the game and supports Clara to participate in honey tasks! Alan still doesn't understand what's going on with Clara! And bad things will happen to Clara! Clara will have to work as a secretary and office wife indefinitely!
He did absolve her to participate in the honey task. Spy game that is expected to do what you have to do to survive and get the info you need. He is understanding that sexual things might happen in her profession to get the job done. If she had told him she slept with Leon he most likely would not have absolved her because Leon was personal not professional. Maybe secretary indefinitely but not his wife. Clear communication between these two is another big problem.
 
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So to muddled brain part, she wasn't too muddled if she was continuously turning him down before finally giving in. From the scene set
UpravDom
posted earlier she wasn't against cheating on Alan at all just not the way Leon was going about it."Leon don't. Please. I can't do this to Alan....not like this". The last part there shows she wants to do it just maybe not under those circumstances, or at that time. It was gonna happen anyway. Maybe she wanted to wait until after the mission and breaks things off with Alan the proper way? Who knows as it's too late now.

You say the kiss made her feel like Alan was drifting away from her, did she even try to prevent it or is she just contributing to it with all her actions? Is she going to justify everything she does as Alan's fault now? Was Alan unable to provide it or prevented from trying to show her support? Was she showing Alan emotional support? Hell she didn't even try to stand up and claim her man by interupting the kiss. She just walked away before seeing how it ended which was just dumb period. It makes for a good "plot device" but rarely happens that way. Any woman I know who has any feelings for her man or self respect would have waited and/or stepped in(discussion/argument would then happen to clear things up for good or bad). Her character is all over the place with how she acts, not at all the Top" whatever she has been made out to be. If Alan is right there and she doesn't stop another man from doing things, Alan had to step in, that shows a complete lack of respect for Alan and their marriage right there. Which leads to the why are they still married question again. Yet when she is alone with Leon she's all like no I can't do this to him at least not like this. Does this mean she wants to do it but only if he's cucked by it? Using the drunk/emotional excuse for it is lame at best for an "elite" agent/assassin. Again I'll point out I think that was the biggest mistake giving her that label. Using that label gives people a certain expectation which she hasn't lived up to by any means.

Talking about redepemtion how do you redeem yourself from cheating on someone? Promise not to do it again? The trust is still broken and the betrayal is still there. Knowing the cause doesn't help especially in this case(Alan can't satisfy her physically and now apparently from what you said she feels emotionally either) So what he finally emotionally supports her but there is still that physical part. That is the biggest problem with them staying together. So like I said earlier unless he somehow gets a "super dick" to satisfy her or becomes a cuck willing or not there is no marriage redemption as she will cheat again especially given her "emotional" issues. Now did she show remorse? Was she ashamed when she saw Alan the next day? Did she confess to it or will she be confronted with it? There are ALOT of factors in redemption and/or forgiveness that so far she has shown none that would make anyone consider it. As was stated the real story begins now and I can pretty much guarantee she will fall even further before Alan becomes aware of it. As for how society judges her, why does the matter, it's how Alan feels/reacts/judges. You can look at a situation from outside like most people do but, unless they have experienced the situation, they can't judge a situation or responses properly. Redemption and forgiveness are 2 completely different things. She can always "redeem" herself to others but not to Alan. The biggest point here is it's about Alan's feelings/forgiveness, who cares what anyone else feels about her cheating, they aren't her spouse. Any "good" path/ending will depend on how HE feels. Not Leon, Anna or even Clara. Alan is the "MC" everyone else although mcs are just there for the storyline. While she can redeem herself to everyone else and go on to be successful and happy with her life, it still doesn't mean it's a "good" ending for the story.

I'm sure there will be more than just a cuck route. You'll have the share route which is pretty much the same thing only he gets to participate. He'll probably be raising kids that aren't his while she is out getting satisfied elsewhere. Do either of those seem like a happy "family" ending that Alan wants? If you answer no then still a "lose" ending. I see alot of others talking about killing different people, none of that seems like a "good" ending to me, yes it will make you feel better but it still doesn't take away the damage that has been done in the first place. I also see most everyone now going down the Clara becoming a cumdump route even the ones who originally tried to save the marriage, so pretty much I'll say 1/1000 (unless they are trying to get all endings) might still try to save the marriage but to the rest the marriage is done end of that part of story. Now it's just see how many dicks they can get into her and possibly get her killed at the end to feel better. I also saw someone posted about them staying together and getting counseling. I can see the explanation there "my wife's had more dicks in her during this mission than a 50 movie career pornstar" and I couldn't satisfy her physically before that how do I do that now? Counselor probably while banging Clara "just accept it and move on". If it's a female one it would be "here's a refund, get a divorce and find someone you CAN satisfy".

Define how he becomes "strong". He's going to have to be able to control his feelings and emotions in order to finish the story no matter what, unlike his wife who will probably start giving in more and more as the story progresses. Even when he figures out things and deals with the manipulators which IS the actual story, what happens afterwards? Remember now Anna is a manipulator who will be dealt with as well, so ending with her would still put them into a bad relationship from the start.

1. Oh I forgive you for CHOOSING to bang all those guys and ENJOYING it while possibly getting pregnant with someone else's kid so we'll stay a happy married couple, eventhough I can't satisfy you and you'll probably cheat again.
2. He leaves her and gets a promotion while she gets fired (for being too weak) and goes off with Leon. She isn't strong enough to be an agent, too easily manipulated, and has too much emotional baggage as has been shown.
3. He forgives Anna gets married to her eventhough she was one of the persons responsible for his emotional pain and suffering, while everyone else gets killed or goes off together.
4. He gets the promotion, leaves Clara and continues to send her on missions where she will be a cumdump for everyone, whether she is with Leon, or not for his revenge.
5. Clara gets the promotion, leaves Alan for Leon. So Alan just kills himself.

Anyway you look at it there is no REAL save the marriage option except for being a cuck, just for the fact that all this seems to stem from him not being able to satisfy her physically. You can add they stay married to some of those endings or kill off and/or change characters in them to make them a "different" ending. Can't say those will be all the endings as there seems to be game overs if you don't follow the devs storyline. Either way this isn't truly a game its more of a kinetic novel where you choose the ending without knowing what ending your choosing yet. If you don't follow the storyline you get game over. So pretty much here is the basic premise-a mystery story, during this story you will play a cuck but can choose not to be at the end. NONE OF YOUR CHOICES will change that ONLY how it ends. Of course that's just the basic simple explanation but an accurate one none the less.

I see alot of issues with the details in the storyline, which is probably why people are getting so critical/bashing the story. The 2 biggest issues I see with the entire thing:

1. They don't seem like agents at all. More like 2 people picked at random for their mediocre at best abilities and told "Hey, your an elite agent now, here is your mission". Elite agents implies training mental and physical, psych evals, physical evals, being better than mediocre at what you do and an extensive and very thorough background check. They need to be sure people will not "break" under pressure or interrogation if caught. The training will push any "weaknesses" they find to make sure of those 2 things during mental training. That's probably the most important one relating to this story. Also again this points to not having an actual married couple as agents since one can be used against the other to make them break.

2. He can't satisfy her physically. This one alone makes the marriage part seem implausible and saving it without being a cuck impossible. If she cheated before she wouldn't be so hesitant to do it now. Plus if he can't do that now, during and after she has kids will be even worse.
Who said that it stems from the reason that Alan can't physically satisfy Clara? It was never shown as the main reason. The main reason is that Alan never seems to fully trust Clara's capabilities or believe in her. He also has a different dream than her and doesn't seem to understand that she likes her job and doesn't really want a desk job.

If Clara was alone in this mission then everything you said about an elite agent would apply to her. But when family or in this case, her husband is involved, she can't remain emotionally detached. If that was the case, this story wouldn't even start in the first place since she would ignore the blackmail and say "fuck Alan. Let him die for all I care. The mission is more important." If they were so perfect, there won't be any story or drama. This is a AVN and not some oscar nomination movie.

How can you say that the choices won't change anything when you aren't even the dev or don't know how the dev plans to carry the story forward?

It seems you are obsessed with labeling this game as a game for cucks when there are so many possible routes. Of course those who want to play as a cuck can choose such a route if available. But that doesn't mean it's the only path. The dev already clarified these things in the early days in case you weren't there.

As for redemption, let the devs cook and then we will see how they do it. It's too early to discuss most of the things here.
 
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Who said that it stems from the reason that Alan can't physically satisfy Clara? It was never shown as the main reason. The main reason is that Alan never seems to fully trust Clara's capabilities or believe in her. He also has a different dream than her and doesn't seem to understand that she likes her job and doesn't really want a desk job.

If Clara was alone in this mission then everything you said about an elite agent would apply to her. But when family or in this case, her husband is involved, she can't remain emotionally detached. If that was the case, this story wouldn't even start in the first place since she would ignore the blackmail and say "fuck Alan. Let him die for all I care. The mission is more important." If they were so perfect, there won't be any story or drama. This is a AVN and not some oscar nomination movie.

How can you say that the choices won't change anything when you aren't even the dev or don't know how the dev plans to carry the story forward?

It seems you are obsessed with labeling this game as a game for cucks when there are so many possible routes. Of course those who want to play as a cuck can choose such a route if available. But that doesn't mean it's the only path. The dev already clarified these things in the early days in case you weren't there.

As for redemption, let the devs cook and then we will see how they do it. It's too early to discuss most of the things here.
You are right that only at the end of the game you can give a reasonable assessment of what you liked in the game, what you didn't! But I can't deny myself the pleasure of studying texts and pictures! Here is the result of the study: at the beginning of the game, Alan and Clara have boring sex, but Clara is happy with everything! Alan and Clara are categorically against cheating. But gradually a metamorphosis takes place: Alan for some reason kisses Anna, Clara, in turn, could not resist the temptation and for the first time received full satisfaction from sex! This is not forgotten! These events will affect the behavior of the main characters! Clara agreed to work as the secretary of the Final Boss without hesitation! Clara will now have to complete tasks from Mr. X, from the Boss and her main task is to find the Mole! Here you want to see not only Clara's ability to use a flash drive, but also all the acquired "honey" skills! And then you can persuade Alan to understand, forgive and forget everything... Well, you get it!
 
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You are right that only at the end of the game you can give a reasonable assessment of what you liked in the game, what you didn't! But I can't deny myself the pleasure of studying texts and pictures! Here is the result of the study: at the beginning of the game, Alan and Clara have boring sex, but Clara is happy with everything! Alan and Clara are categorically against cheating. But gradually a metamorphosis takes place: Alan for some reason kisses Anna, Clara, in turn, could not resist the temptation and for the first time received full satisfaction from sex! This is not forgotten! These events will affect the behavior of the main characters! Clara agreed to work as the secretary of the Final Boss without hesitation! Clara will now have to complete tasks from Mr. X, from the Boss and her main task is to find the Mole! Here you want to see not only Clara's ability to use a flash drive, but also all the acquired "honey" skills! And then you can persuade Alan to understand, forgive and forget everything... Well, you get it!
:unsure: :ROFLMAO::eek:So that because of this stupid betrayal, Leon Jr. was not born to Klara by accident and he called Alan Dad:eek::ROFLMAO:
 

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Who said that it stems from the reason that Alan can't physically satisfy Clara? It was never shown as the main reason. The main reason is that Alan never seems to fully trust Clara's capabilities or believe in her. He also has a different dream than her and doesn't seem to understand that she likes her job and doesn't really want a desk job.

If Clara was alone in this mission then everything you said about an elite agent would apply to her. But when family or in this case, her husband is involved, she can't remain emotionally detached. If that was the case, this story wouldn't even start in the first place since she would ignore the blackmail and say "fuck Alan. Let him die for all I care. The mission is more important." If they were so perfect, there won't be any story or drama. This is a AVN and not some oscar nomination movie.

How can you say that the choices won't change anything when you aren't even the dev or don't know how the dev plans to carry the story forward?

It seems you are obsessed with labeling this game as a game for cucks when there are so many possible routes. Of course those who want to play as a cuck can choose such a route if available. But that doesn't mean it's the only path. The dev already clarified these things in the early days in case you weren't there.

As for redemption, let the devs cook and then we will see how they do it. It's too early to discuss most of the things here.
We all know how this will end. Everyone will fuck Klara, and at the end of the game the creator will give us a choice whether Alan will find out about all her betrayals and forgive her or not. After all, the creator has already announced that there will be new characters, what do you think we will choose. Which new characters will Clara fuck with in the game? :unsure:I hope the creator will take a different path. Otherwise it will be terribly boring and predictable, and a great story will be spoiled by a boring, predictable NTR.
 
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Who said that it stems from the reason that Alan can't physically satisfy Clara? It was never shown as the main reason. The main reason is that Alan never seems to fully trust Clara's capabilities or believe in her. He also has a different dream than her and doesn't seem to understand that she likes her job and doesn't really want a desk job.

If Clara was alone in this mission then everything you said about an elite agent would apply to her. But when family or in this case, her husband is involved, she can't remain emotionally detached. If that was the case, this story wouldn't even start in the first place since she would ignore the blackmail and say "fuck Alan. Let him die for all I care. The mission is more important." If they were so perfect, there won't be any story or drama. This is a AVN and not some oscar nomination movie.

How can you say that the choices won't change anything when you aren't even the dev or don't know how the dev plans to carry the story forward?

It seems you are obsessed with labeling this game as a game for cucks when there are so many possible routes. Of course those who want to play as a cuck can choose such a route if available. But that doesn't mean it's the only path. The dev already clarified these things in the early days in case you weren't there.

As for redemption, let the devs cook and then we will see how they do it. It's too early to discuss most of the things here.
So the choices you can make in the beginning of not helping her in the missions because he trusts her ability, don't matter then. Is it that he doesn't trust her abilities or is worried about her when she is on a mission? I mean it's only natural to worry about someone you care about when they are out risking their life no matter how good they are. Again different dreams shows another reason that they shouldn't be married. Also I guess that means she doesn't want any kids either since that would put her out of action for quite a while.

That was one of the biggest points I made about elite agents not being married or having families.

I did some searching after reading Maviarb's post. Seems the dev said there was a "faithful" route. Guess what even with Clara's twisted definition of being faithful, the scene with Leon broke even that definition. In her opinion she could bang anyone as long as it pertained to the mission success or protected Alan and it wasn't cheating. I could accept that for the sake of the story. Forgiveness for things done to further the mission as long as it wasn't too outrageous. So now it seems he has lied about the "faithful" route in this game. Making all the choices leading up to that meaningless. I understand now why people were getting mad about Leon and how things happened. They were lead to believe if they made the right choices she wouldn't cheat "faithful" path but since that scene with Leon is unavoidable there is no more "faithful" path. The CHOICES DIDN'T change or stop the cheating. So are we to believe that the choices even really matter now other than how many dicks she experiences.

Your choices can't stop any of this from happening until the end or close to it when he figures things out. When you can make a difference it will risk a premature game over again more than likley. So again only certain choices are allowed(illusion of choice still is not choice).

He's being cucked plain and simple, she's already had things done in front of him and will probably have alot more done. Since he is part of the team on the mission he HAS to just sit back and let it happen or game over. If he tries to avoid knowing about it or seeing it I'm quite sure X will change that. That's not being a cuck? He doesn't have to like it, doesn't change what's going on at all. The point I make is for the story to continue he has to be a cuck during the mission doesn't have to stay that way at the end but with everyone working against him he will not have a choice until way later near the end.

Again a difference between redemption and forgiveness, She can redeem herself all she wants but she has already broken the trust and any faith Alan had in her. She will more than likely blame and justify her cheating on Alan as all cheaters do, it's never their fault they cheat. There is no more "faithful" path no matter what happens from here on out, that coupled with all the existing issues in the marriage means it should be done and over. I'm sure there will be the I forgive you and it's all my fault ending where they stay together. Realistically I don't see anyone taking that route unless they enjoy being cucked or trying to see all endings.

TBH after I did my search and read dev posts, either he lied about the "faithful" route or doesn't even know the direction his own story is going. Neither seems to be a good thing. Him justifying her "not cheating" by HER personal belief that's it not as long as she still loves Alan is lame at best. That just gives her the excuse to do whatever she wants as long as she tells herself she still loves Alan whether or not she does. What seemed like a good story has now become just another average to below average one. The only thing that might redeem the story is the options for the endings but since only some choices actually matter I don't have alot of hopes for those now. Seems this mystery story has now turned into a revenge story(only way to make most people happy now)

With that being said I bid you farewell. After seeing all the stupidity being used for justifications and the removal of the "good" path from the game I can see it's not for me. I'm not one of those I wanna see her get 30 cocks nonstop cumdumped and left to die people. Solving the mystery might have been fun but not while the character I'm "supposed to be" has to accept a cheating spouse the entire time. Revenge stories aren't my thing. It can make you feel good if done right but never truly makes things better. I wouldn't consider any ending not a "lose" now.

So to everyone hope you enjoy this story and have a good time.
 

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I prefer to play these kinds of game without reading the story..I know clara and alan are husband and wife....if anyone is in the mood of cheating wife story...no need to read all those texts, just choose the option that suits best for the most corrupted path and let the husband out of wife's cheating way....Then there will be no arguement on why husband do that and why wife do that....you wanna bang clara with different characters.....press skip button to skip the story part and choose the best option to cheat that's all...if the developer includes sex in that path, you will get sex and if not...then fuck the developer lol. Mistakes happen in writing in porn novel...they are not professional writers, they are more of an artists or programmers.

The more realism any developer try to introduce in the game, the boring it becomes with every update with time....e.g. Awam, JOHN, Perfect marriage etc...these are best example of how to ruin the porn game with realism..for many years they keep adding this realism flavor for excluding sex from the game..read those threads....90% of the pages of those threads are filled with reasons why sex is not to be included in the game yet..offcourse there are few supporters, not more than 10 be the novel is 3 years old or 7 years old or 100 years old, who kept discussing about the story on a daily basis, with all characters details, past, present, future etc., defend the developer and his excuses for not introducing sex with the flavour of realism...but they lost 90% of their audience interest with those excuses. That's what I wanna say in the end.. Defend for non sexual VN saying it's erotic, romantic and all bullshit jargons of the world but whenever any new customer will play those game after logging into an adult website and watching tags as cheating corruption etc...they will be left disappointed because of no scene, their supporter cannot convince them at their disappointment.

This is the first thread where 90% of the pages are just reasoning why sex is introduced early there lol....Keep it simple, you want cheating sex (yes/no) decide yourself...if yes, then come to the adult website..if not then there are 100000000000 website with pure love and erotic stories without sex.
 
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We all know how this will end. Everyone will fuck Klara, and at the end of the game the creator will give us a choice whether Alan will find out about all her betrayals and forgive her or not. After all, the creator has already announced that there will be new characters, what do you think we will choose. Which new characters will Clara fuck with in the game? :unsure:I hope the creator will take a different path. Otherwise it will be terribly boring and predictable, and a great story will be spoiled by a boring, predictable NTR.
Hi! I've read the comments on this game and most don't care about the story. Here people write that they just skip the dialogues to watch the scenes of betrayal. I don't understand what's wrong with these people's heads, but it's obviously empty. The game is created to play it, and not just watch animated scenes. It's because of such people that developers don't try to do something logical and interesting. The main thing for people is to have more animated scenes and that's it.
 

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Hi! I've read the comments on this game and most don't care about the story. Here people write that they just skip the dialogues to watch the scenes of betrayal. I don't understand what's wrong with these people's heads, but it's obviously empty. The game is created to play it, and not just watch animated scenes. It's because of such people that developers don't try to do something logical and interesting. The main thing for people is to have more animated scenes and that's it.
:eek::ROFLMAO:If I want to watch only scenes without a plot, I will turn on porn and it will be the same.:eek::ROFLMAO:
 
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