Well it's not 90%, but it is a fair bit, also there's different scenes/dialogue depending on what choices you make.
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>Main focus of the game is obviously incest/harem
>complains that the incest can't be avoided
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>complains that the incest can't be avoided
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I was afraid that was the answer. For me that means that the game stays in the trashbin.
Well. It's hard to know how big the incest part is in a game until you have actually tried playing it. The dev's. are seldom very forthcoming with that kind of info. Beside that. I strongly doubt that anyone plays a game, just because it includes incest. A lot of other stuff has to be right too before someone sticks with a game and becomes a supporter of a game, but it only takes one wrong thing to prevent someone from becoming a supporter or ditch a game. At least I try the games before i sends them to the trash bin or become a supporter.
And for complaining. I don't see anyone complaining. I'm letting the dev. know why I won't be a supporter of his game. It's up to the dev to decide whether he believes that a change is worth the work or not. Ricoh is not the first dev. to reject a proposal from a potential donor, and he won't be the last. For me the rejections means less games to play. For the dev's. it means less money in the till.
And for the record. The proposal I've made only means different dialog. There are no new scenes etc. Just small differences in the dialog. Given Ricoh's latest statement about how incest can be "avoided" today, my proposal would probably mean less work than the current no incest path. Try think about that before you tag me as someone who is just here to complain.
That said. I did leave the thread when I said I would. I only came back because someone quoted my posts. So if you don't want to see me back. Don't quote my posts.
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That is only a maybe.
The dev can
- a. take the time to make multi-dialogue on top of the same scenes for both incest and non-incest
- b. Gate the incest so it is not happening in the story played when you turn it off (This option is current and you miss content)
- c. make multiple dialogue and graphic changes to accommodate those who want all the content of the other path but more distinction than daughter swaps to tenant.
a. and c. take extra work (c. in particular) which delays even more. Delays can often cost a lot more lost subs than picking to remove a fetish. So if the option b. is not enough for those who so greatly dislike the incest fetish, it is a risk to alter methodology. As opposed to continuing as he has with what is already being followed and yielding subs.
MY choice if I was in that situation to choose would be no further risk on top of the delays already incurred. But that is me.
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What? Plenty of people play VNs for incest. I want incest, non-con, sleep sex, anything fucked up you can explore in a VN that you wouldn't want to do in real life. I like VNs that are basically porn GTA. Just speak for yourself, and have fun finding something you enjoy. There's plenty of vanilla/spy thriller/superhero shit and new ones pop up every day.
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Well. there are some flaws in your analyze.
1. Graphics and rendering is the part that takes the most time when developing a good VN. Therefore A is the option that requires the least extra work.
2. Those who can live with option b and c, can definitely also live with option A.
3. Who in their right mind would pay to play a game/VN where they have to skip part of the game/VN in order to avoid stuff like incest?
4. All in all. It's only option A where everyone will be happy, so unless the dev. chooses option A, he will miss out on potential donors.
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As I've been writing many times now. I like basically the same stuff as you, except for the incest part, but I have a hard time finding a good game with that, which doesn't include incest, hence why I propose to make incest optional in a way that everyone can enjoy the full game without having to miss out on part of it because you either are an incest fan or dislike incest. Incest is one of the few fetishes, that can be made optional purely through different dialog for the same graphics.
I don't mind missing out.
Maybe someone can make a "non-incest" patch.
(All they need to do is remove the dialogue on Day4 where it's noted the relation between Emily+MC and then change "daddy/dad" to Landlord or whatever)
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I can't figure out if this guy's a troll, or has a guilty conscience. Those are the only reasons I can think of for anyone to be so adamant. Since between here and Discord he's written a couple of novels, I'm leaning towards the guilty feelings.
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Dialogue takes less time but it does not take zero
so a. still has a cost
ALSO:
Many people I have seen who do not like incest hate the title "tenant" or "roommate" even worse because you will get paragraphs clearly meant to lay out plot points for related people but then they say:
because you are my tenant
as an explanation for why it is taboo and people might call the cops if they knew. Which honestly makes the premise so dumb it HAS to be more distracting than incest. IMO
So a. might have the lowest time cost yet it also has a HUGE impact of stupid on the story. Again IMO
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The obvious alternative would be step-cest. Still somewhat taboo but not that taboo.
I agree with you on the landlord/tenant/roommate thing. That's just porn game slang at this point.
But to write even step-cest convincingly, you would need to re-write quite a lot of plot. In this particular game's case, it will be difficult because the MC doesn't really have a connection with the girls, apart from through their mother. And the relationship between the MC and the girls' mothers is also still fresh, so the step connection would be pretty weak.
The "beauty" of incest as a plot device is that the taboo is immediately clear and doesn't need any explanation.
Why do I need to be a troll or have a guilty conscience to be against incest? Can't it just be that it's a turn off for me, like other fetishes is a turn off for you? Or are they a turnoff for you because you have a guilty conscience?
I always find it funny when someone in the same post claims to be speaking on behalf of others and tell you what kind of games you like, and then tell you to speak for your self. Talk about double standards.
With that I'll leave this thread again, until some quotes me again.
Funniest thing I've read on this forum for a long time.
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