Loki_viese

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Based on where the crashes were happening, I believe I found what was causing these and should have it fixed for R53, but I'm not 100% sure. It'd still be helpful for me to be able to look at a save where the bug occurs.
hopefully I got the save file right. I don't know how to export save file properly so I might sent it wrong file here.
 
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Based on where the crashes were happening, I believe I found what was causing these and should have it fixed for R53, but I'm not 100% sure. It'd still be helpful for me to be able to look at a save where the bug occurs.
Here is the save file (I think it is the correct one). It is the most recent save entry, and it was in R51 (if it makes a difference). Thank you for the response, and I hope it helps.
 

Hammyak

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Sep 1, 2020
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This game is insanely complex and really engaging. It's just really daunting to try to understand everything. I've probably started 4 or 5 new loops from the beginning. Gotten pretty decent at getting to T3 breaks (and pulled off orgies) in a timely manner (as soon as like Day 23 or 24 iirc), but at that point I realize I've made a lot of sub-optimal decisions and feel compelled to restart. There's just so much to min-max. Auto-piloting with a 'break every vulnerability' mindset has probably been holding me back. I've started looking at relationships and distortions in the hope that they're the final pieces of the puzzle for the game to make sense. I just want to complete a loop and feel like I've done a good job.

The other part of it is that this thread is so huge that all the guides are hard to find...and I'm at the stage of the game where the day-by-day guides just aren't that useful anymore.

To anyone else who's in the same boat of trying to figure this out, most of my progress has come from reloading a save over and over again and trying a different approach...
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. After reading some guides and restarting a few times I've got to the point where I can relatively easy do all T2 breaks and 15 EE generation before day 15, and understand how to get T3, but I always get stuck doubting whether my choice of distortions is good or if I should start over again
 

Shasou

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Hey CSDev, thank you for your continued development of this project! I would like to ask if the sex system is going to get some attention after all the primary chosen types and the other things you consider to be of high priority right now are done? I absutely love personal interactions with the forsaken, and the sex system feels like it needs some love. Things like you choosing positions, kissing while still penetrating, favorite positions for chosen, different types of foreplay, things like that.
 

BigCut

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Dec 13, 2023
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How in the fraggle rock fuck do I delete saves without also resetting all game settings?

Is it only possible to do by removing the "saves.sav", which also contains the game settings?

I tried "clean saves" under "load game", but that's not doing it.
 

Nobody032

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Sep 6, 2021
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How in the fraggle rock fuck do I delete saves without also resetting all game settings?

Is it only possible to do by removing the "saves.sav", which also contains the game settings?

I tried "clean saves" under "load game", but that's not doing it.
Open the game and load a save. After that keep the game open and delete the "saves.sav" file. Then just save your already opened game.
 

BigCut

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Dec 13, 2023
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Open the game and load a save. After that keep the game open and delete the "saves.sav" file. Then just save your already opened game.
Not the solution I wanted, but definitely the one I needed.

Another question; How do you get additional items? I'm on loop 2 and I still only have the item I started with, is this normal..?
 

Nobody032

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So I've got an example of a situation I don't really understand. I started a campaign, figured out who my Chosen are and sort of stumbled into an attempted 3 distortion configuration with the intention of seeing if I can manage all 3 in one run. It doesn't really matter to me if the distortions are good or the right choice, as I've never actually completed one. With Tomorrow's Newspaper I got a nice accelerated start. Currently on Day 18 (got Networked Consciousness a few days ago) so I think I've got lots of time:

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I was able to break Decree's vulnerabilities first, then Hope, then Pariah, increasing order of difficulty. Pariah and Decree are acquaintances otherwise it's all friendships. Anyway, to complete the distortions it seems to require me to either get really high angst on everyone or 100K plea (for Pariah). My usual next step on previous runs when I'm done T2 vulnerabilities is to set up orgies for quick T3 breaks. Well, turns out it's really hard here because Pariah is the only one I can ramp up the EXPO, and she's got a lot of penalties for circumstance growth. I've screwed around with suppressors, defilers and punishers, and things just don't add up. I think my problem really comes back to not having enough EXPO. That's usually been the key to overpowering penalties in the past...so maybe my setup is whack?

So anyway, that's kind of where I'm at with my thought process. I've reached around this point in a lot of other runs and abandoned them...and I think it's probably coming down to just not setting up my teams properly and not understanding how the multipliers interact.

I'm curious if anyone has an idea of where I'm going wrong or what might set me on the right track.
You are on the right track with orgies. Best case scenario is getting a high turn orgies so you can get enough trauma to break all t3 vul each day and last you through late game. As for distortions, they depend on what you want from your forsaken which come later and are usually better to trigger after an orgy.

I am not exactly the best at explaining but I will try.

First of all I don't know if you know this but penalties are not random, every 1 level increase in circumstance gives a 1/2 penalty to circumstance with a multiplicative increase. Also if your trauma level are not same then the higher trauma levels will give a 1/2 penalty to their respective circumstances. You can test this yourself to understand better, pay attention to the multipliers.

What this means is that it is usually better to get level 2/3 Hate/Inju before levels Plea/Expo unless you are going for orgy. This may be what is preventing your progress. Expo is useful but you should get expo on the second chosen which appears. Based on your Composition I would go for: Decree-> Pariah -> Hope during the battle.

As far as I am aware it should be possible to get a good orgy going with a +2(3 total) capture and 6 turn normal commander as long you have networked consciousness and play smart with extermination in mind. Also try to start your capture such that the second chosen arrives right after you use the fourth move in capture.

Other than that Tempt is actually easier to trigger than you would think. Try going for that with penalties in mind along with the t1 morality break which you wanna avoid. Remember, sometimes it's actually better if the chosen you want to tempt comes 2nd rather than engaging her first.

Be wary though as if you trigger a distortion before an orgy chances are you will lose all your chosen angst and decrease the damage which is dealt.
 

Nobody032

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Not the solution I wanted, but definitely the one I needed.

Another question; How do you get additional items? I'm on loop 2 and I still only have the item I started with, is this normal..?
Items appear every 3rd loop so yes it's normal. Based on what I have heard the quality of item depends on the influence you get in each city. So going through tougher cities gives better items.
 

Mygoodness777

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Sep 20, 2018
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You are on the right track with orgies. Best case scenario is getting a high turn orgies so you can get enough trauma to break all t3 vul each day and last you through late game. As for distortions, they depend on what you want from your forsaken which come later and are usually better to trigger after an orgy.

I am not exactly the best at explaining but I will try.

First of all I don't know if you know this but penalties are not random, every 1 level increase in circumstance gives a 1/2 penalty to circumstance with a multiplicative increase. Also if your trauma level are not same then the higher trauma levels will give a 1/2 penalty to their respective circumstances. You can test this yourself to understand better, pay attention to the multipliers.

What this means is that it is usually better to get level 2/3 Hate/Inju before levels Plea/Expo unless you are going for orgy. This may be what is preventing your progress. Expo is useful but you should get expo on the second chosen which appears. Based on your Composition I would go for: Decree-> Pariah -> Hope during the battle.

As far as I am aware it should be possible to get a good orgy going with a +2(3 total) capture and 6 turn normal commander as long you have networked consciousness and play smart with extermination in mind. Also try to start your capture such that the second chosen arrives right after you use the fourth move in capture.

Other than that Tempt is actually easier to trigger than you would think. Try going for that with penalties in mind along with the t1 morality break which you wanna avoid. Remember, sometimes it's actually better if the chosen you want to tempt comes 2nd rather than engaging her first.

Be wary though as if you trigger a distortion before an orgy chances are you will lose all your chosen angst and decrease the damage which is dealt.
This is great advice actually. It was painful to realize that I needed to focus on HATE/INJU(ANTI) and base my attacks and progression around that. The sequencing of who to attack is actually a pain when you don't know much about how the run will play out and how that will affect Chosen relationships. The advice I read a while back to focus first on the Chosen with weakest MOR/CON was good. It didn't hurt me to periodically get her to EXPO lvl1 to work on other chosen either. As long as it didn't break her T2 DIG, I was fine.

I ended up doing what I usually do and abandoned that previous run due to the complexity of trying to make a long orgy happen while not triggering the wrong T1 breaks for all 3 Chosen. I'm not sad about it because my next run has gone way better.

I only set up one distortion (I did Aversion on Midnight which protected both her cores on INN and DIG. I don't know if I should protect or break cores for distortions...something for future runs). I got to like day 23, broke all the T2 cores except the two for the distortion. I then realized the only way to set up a 10 turn orgy (for the distortion) was to pass like 4 or 5 days (unicorn lard) and then get a 26EE commander with 3 captures, ANTI/EXPO defiler, and the HATE suppressor. With careful setup, I had a 13 turn orgy which set me up for the endgame and successfully completed the distortion. All the Chosen have like +52-55 damage. I tested what happens if I keep passing days and it progressively unlocks all the rest of the T3 breaks...and it doesn't mess up Midnight's Aversion since it was 'completed!'

I guess I'll have to be careful during the final battle so that the other Chosen don't kill Midnight but I think I'm finally going to actually finish a loop once I figure out how T4 breaks work...but I think that should be straightforward at this point.
 

Ragzul

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Oct 15, 2019
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This is planned as a cheat option. It'd be pretty much impossible to balance it so that the difficulty remains consistent regardless of the Forsaken roster you bring over, so it'll be up to the players to decide how strong an advantage they want to give themselves.
Yeah definitely have it as optional. But NewGame+ is supposed to be a bit OP Endgame gear into the newbie spawn area, definitely impossible to balance without outright removing fun as an option. But as a cheat option to toggle, I'd be thrilled for such. :D Eager to read that in a changelog.
 

Mygoodness777

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Sep 20, 2018
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I completed my first loop tonight with one day to spare. My approach to finishing the T4 breaks was far from ideal but I got there. Even without completing all the T4 breaks, I imagine the final battle is very doable. The final battle was underwhelmingly easy but oh man it was satisfying to finish it. One good, solid capture on a Chosen and it was down in 2 hits.
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All of that said, the whole training Forsaken thing looks at least as daunting as the rest of the game was. I appreciate the guide I found in the game files...

Now that I've mostly gotten past the worst of the _insane_ learning curve and terrible UI/UX, I'm really enjoying the game, both from a complexity standpoint and also just how deep the character personalities and emergent storytelling are. It's going to take a really long time to master all the mechanics, and I like that.

I didn't expect to get a rush when I finally beat a loop but after probably 50-75 hours of learning the game, it's so satisfying for all the effort to pay off. I appreciate the couple pointers I got in this thread and I imagine I'll be back here more...
 
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BigCut

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Is there any way to avoid having the same chosen reoccur throughout loops?

I get that the portraits will be reused, but I have a Forsaken named "Faith" and now I also have an enemy chosen with the same "hero name".

Maybe the only way to avoid this for now is to manually rename my Forsaken..?
 

mathiau

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Is there any way to avoid having the same chosen reoccur throughout loops?

I get that the portraits will be reused, but I have a Forsaken named "Faith" and now I also have an enemy chosen with the same "hero name".

Maybe the only way to avoid this for now is to manually rename my Forsaken..?
The only option I can think of is to activate the option that makes them use their civilian names, since this are actually different
 
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Ragzul

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Is there any way to avoid having the same chosen reoccur throughout loops?

I get that the portraits will be reused, but I have a Forsaken named "Faith" and now I also have an enemy chosen with the same "hero name".

Maybe the only way to avoid this for now is to manually rename my Forsaken..?
As you stated regarding renaming your Forsaken, that would fit lore wise. They are no longer Chosen, and Faith *was* his/her Chosen name... So, perhaps the new Faith was a fan of the first and wanted to honor the title? (making up fanfic or rationalize the scenario)

CSdev I had meant to ask, for Linux users, I presume Java would need to be installed on the machine to run the game?
Edit: Sorry Dev, I answered my own question by just opening the jar file and finding out. T.T Sorry for being stupid.
 
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deptraivkl

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Is there any way to avoid having the same chosen reoccur throughout loops?

I get that the portraits will be reused, but I have a Forsaken named "Faith" and now I also have an enemy chosen with the same "hero name".

Maybe the only way to avoid this for now is to manually rename my Forsaken..?
The portraits are both the best and worst part about this game to me. They are really pretty and fitting, to the point none of the other portrait packs even come close. But then you enter the next loop and see a Chosen with reused portraits and it would break your immersion immediately.

Hope we could get enough portraits for each of the Chosen in the og style. AI ones are good too but they looks out of place and not nearly as pretty.
 

SusBK

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Sep 29, 2018
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Hey. Cool game. Any plans to implement kissing?

Also, as for the new player experience, I recently finished my first classic run after a few fails. What held me back was not knowing core vulnerabilities were harder to break. (My instincts failed me and kept me going after core ones instead, thinking they were important or a target to aim at). The guide only mentions the fact a little bit and quite far in, on the relationships part.
 
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Mygoodness777

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Sep 20, 2018
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I think the game could benefit a lot from having a wiki. Crowd-sourced information would allow the community to kind of slowly put together info on some of those mechanics and core principles and a new player could be directed there. I imagine it would take some work to get a framework set up but it would go a long way to helping new (and experienced) players if it was well-formatted.
 
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Hey. Cool game. Any plans to implement kissing?

Also, as for the new player experience, I recently finished my first classic run after a few fails. What held me back was not knowing core vulnerabilities were harder to break. (My instincts failed me and kept me going after core ones instead, thinking they were important or a target to aim at). The guide only mentions the fact a little bit and quite far in, on the relationships part.
Kissing? KISSING? We are trying to BREAK AND CORRUPT the Chosen! Kissing won't cut it! We need to plumb the very depths of depravity that neither gods nor devils are willing consider! Head patting or dare I say it? Hand Holding :D


Seriously though, here is the official statement from their blog for next release ( )

"Next month will be the long-awaited introduction of the fifth Distortion path, Megalomania. Because of the species and bosses that have been added to the game, there's a lot more work to add a new Distortion than there was when the first four were added. But I've spent the last few days of this month doing some preliminary work, so I'm confident that it should all be ready for Release 53. "


That being said, I wouldn't turn down some ways to make Forsaken lives easier as a reward for good work, after all the shit they went through as chosen, they deserve something to go right in their lives.
 

SusBK

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Sep 29, 2018
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Kissing? KISSING? We are trying to BREAK AND CORRUPT the Chosen! Kissing won't cut it! We need to plumb the very depths of depravity that neither gods nor devils are willing consider! Head patting or dare I say it? Hand Holding :D


Seriously though, here is the official statement from their blog for next release ( )

"Next month will be the long-awaited introduction of the fifth Distortion path, Megalomania. Because of the species and bosses that have been added to the game, there's a lot more work to add a new Distortion than there was when the first four were added. But I've spent the last few days of this month doing some preliminary work, so I'm confident that it should all be ready for Release 53. "


That being said, I wouldn't turn down some ways to make Forsaken lives easier as a reward for good work, after all the shit they went through as chosen, they deserve something to go right in their lives.
There's favorite and concubine that's why it felt odd you can't smooch them.
 
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