Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[FruitSmoothie]

Both of you have made the same mistake. It's the implicit that bothers me so much, not the explicit. It is what the author seems to feel doesn't need to be explained, because they believe it to be obvious. Let's think for a moment: what is a demon? It's essentially defined in the game: the enemy of mankind, all that is wrong, evil, immoral, dangerous. What is it that the demons are known for in this game? Sex. Yes, they rape, if you pay any attention you can see that the author's don't consider rape to be the problem, they consider sex itself to be immoral.

There's another premise: the women get their powers via "purity", a concept the authors do not define because, again, they think it's obvious. I don't. What the hell does that mean? Apparently it means they don't have sex. What happens when they do? They are weakened, looked down upon, and eventually snap and start slaughtering civilians. Do you see my point here? The world presented in this game considers sex itself to be immoral (somehow??), and this is not presented as an aspect of that society that is unusual. It's not explained, it's not even mentioned in itself. It's as if the authors take it for granted.

Why can't the heroines have sex? Why doesn't the game bother to explain this concept? Take a step back and think abstractly: they think they don't need to.

Nah, we aren't the ones making a mistake. You clearly haven't played the game enough to notice that girls have have consensual sex with no issue, and it can even reduce their corruption. "The world presented in game considers sex itself to be immoral" is your own incorrect assumption. You're judging the whole in game world by a small sample size: How the girls interact with the demons and some shitty people. The game even shows better moments between the girls, but you're just completely ignoring them because it doesn't fit your narrative (Or you're just entirely ignorant about that content). The girls continue to be able to fight the demons, aid humanity, and still be decent people WELL into their corruption and long after they lose their virginities. It takes almost until the end of a loop for them to really start with the "evil" actions. It's not sex that's the issue, it's demonic corruption/trauma.

The girl/demon interaction is VERY clearly a rare exception to many rules in the world, as I've already tried to explain to you. The girls are basically holy warriors fighting demons for the sake of humanities survival. You think the whole world works by the same rules? Not that you even understand the rules that they're following.

It's an H game, of course some basic shit shouldn't need to be explained if it doesn't aid in the gameplay. Most people can keep up without having everything explicitly explained to them and having their hand held for every single thing. Where is it shown that the author doesn't consider rape the problem? When the girls are raped, they suffer tremendously, to the point of hurting themselves and others. Sure seems like rape is depicted as bad. If you were expecting the demons to be punished for raping the girls, that isn't the focus of the game, not sure what the fuck you expect with that. I mean, most rapey demons/thralls are beaten or killed, so seems like things don't end too well for them huh?

You can go read the descriptions of girls in game for more evidence of everything I've been trying to tell you. The girls suffer, rape is depicted as bad, and most the girls had decent lives before the whole, being abused and raped by demons and shitty humans stuff. Here are some that should even be obvious enough for you.

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You picked the wrong game to try to attack for this shit lol. Almost any other rape game would have been a better pick for what you're trying to do here. This game handles rape/corruption way better than most. You want to complain about games depicting women/sex/rape poorly? Go find any of the games that show women turning into animals that can't live without dicks after 5 seconds of rape.

 

[SuperSkippy]

The implicit assumptions within this game still enrage me on a profound level. To summarize the apparent beliefs of the authors, sex is so inherently evil and women so inherently weak that women who have sex, even consequentially, are irreversibly damaged, badly enough to nearly drop their value as people to zero.

Welcome back!

You were on this same trip back in February. No one agreed with you then, including the developer, and you made a point of discounting all the textual evidence that doesn't agree with your interpretation of the developer's worldview. There's nothing wrong with that, this is a porn game site that explicitly caters to strange fetishes and doesn't allow kinkshaming, so keep on being you!

You also don't seem to have brought anything new to the table in the past.... 6 months... of stewing about this game.

Rate the game a 1 and move on, maybe? Or, you know, keep posting here until the developer accepts your One Revealed Truth about their intentions. Maybe that'll work?

 

[MoarDakka123]

Both of you have made the same mistake. It's the implicit that bothers me so much, not the explicit. It is what the author seems to feel doesn't need to be explained, because they believe it to be obvious. Let's think for a moment: what is a demon? It's essentially defined in the game: the enemy of mankind, all that is wrong, evil, immoral, dangerous. What is it that the demons are known for in this game? Sex. Yes, they rape, if you pay any attention you can see that the author's don't consider rape to be the problem, they consider sex itself to be immoral.

There's another premise: the women get their powers via "purity", a concept the authors do not define because, again, they think it's obvious. I don't. What the hell does that mean? Apparently it means they don't have sex. What happens when they do? They are weakened, looked down upon, and eventually snap and start slaughtering civilians. Do you see my point here? The world presented in this game considers sex itself to be immoral (somehow??), and this is not presented as an aspect of that society that is unusual. It's not explained, it's not even mentioned in itself. It's as if the authors take it for granted.

Why can't the heroines have sex? Why doesn't the game bother to explain this concept? Take a step back and think abstractly: they think they don't need to.

Just for a bit of context here, do you not live in the west? Because from your post, I kinda feel like either you don't, or you're bizarrely ignorant when it comes to cultural ideas on sex, casual sex, un-wed sex, and purity culture just in general.

 

[fraazx]

The implicit assumptions within this game still enrage me on a profound level. To summarize the apparent beliefs of the authors, sex is so inherently evil and women so inherently weak that women who have sex, even consequentially, are irreversibly damaged, badly enough to nearly drop their value as people to zero.

Oh god, we got a twitter user here! Call the cancel cops!

 

[manjak8]

hello I'm new to this game, but i really like the concept. can someone give a link to a guide or something that explains how to play it, I'm completely lost .

 

[alex2011]

hello I'm new to this game, but i really like the concept. can someone give a link to a guide or something that explains how to play it, I'm completely lost .

There are several guides throughout the thread and some text files come with the game itself that explain things.

 

[SuperSkippy]

I've tried this game a lot but never really had a lot of successes. Any tips or guides on how to really do things? I can get to the point where the goal is get 1k of sometihing on someone (Inury, expo, etc.) but I always seem to fall just shy of hitting that point and i can't get the chosen to ever generate more than 1 EE each. NOt sure what I'm doing wrong.

Sounds like you need to understand multipliers and how they work.

Basic guide, not quite step-by-step, but close

 

[PregMageTD]

Been playing this game since Release..20ish, i think? Big fan of the concept, but not so much the execution. This is definitely a game for people who get off on a variety of kinks, but i think the biggest fetish is for people with a Mathematics leaning. Exponential graphs get you hard. Spreadsheets make you cum uncontrollably. For the the mathmatically inept (like me), it's actually kind of frustrating. I can't ever seem to make headway in the game and, i feel it suffers from being so impenetrable. I am not a complete idiot, the game is what it is and it isn't going to change now no matter what my observations are. I would, however still like to post my recommendations for anyone else looking to do something like this in the future.

1) If we are going to be a long term planner adversary, I would actually challenge the need for turn based combat entirely. Instead of wading through each encounter choosing the most mathematically effective route for what you want, I would just make it a fire and forget thing. Basically, for each encounter, the Demon Lord picks a girl, picks what he wants to get done to her, and then any variables added. The demons, forsaken, items, etc. Game then fires off a summary scene or an automated blow by blow and you either succeed or fail depending on your approach measured against a difficulty. Or something. I'm not experienced enough in game design to comment on if it is easy or not, just a thought i had. It's a concept on how to make the Demon Lord PC feel more powerful and "hands off".

2) Make the tutorial a restricted loop which, end of the loop, concludes with you having one single weaker Forsaken. Reason for it is that this could make it easier to transition into a tutorial for training Forsaken specifically.

3) Perhaps some alternate ways to corrupt the heroines outside of combat? Spiking their water supply with aphrodisiac while at home is one idea.

This is by no means exhaustive and really just some things i thought up while in the shower. Anyone else?

 

[alex2011]

Been playing this game since Release..20ish, i think? Big fan of the concept, but not so much the execution. This is definitely a game for people who get off on a variety of kinks, but i think the biggest fetish is for people with a Mathematics leaning. Exponential graphs get you hard. Spreadsheets make you cum uncontrollably. For the the mathmatically inept (like me), it's actually kind of frustrating. I can't ever seem to make headway in the game and, i feel it suffers from being so impenetrable. I am not a complete idiot, the game is what it is and it isn't going to change now no matter what my observations are. I would, however still like to post my recommendations for anyone else looking to do something like this in the future.

1) If we are going to be a long term planner adversary, I would actually challenge the need for turn based combat entirely. Instead of wading through each encounter choosing the most mathematically effective route for what you want, I would just make it a fire and forget thing. Basically, for each encounter, the Demon Lord picks a girl, picks what he wants to get done to her, and then any variables added. The demons, forsaken, items, etc. Game then fires off a summary scene or an automated blow by blow and you either succeed or fail depending on your approach measured against a difficulty. Or something. I'm not experienced enough in game design to comment on if it is easy or not, just a thought i had. It's a concept on how to make the Demon Lord PC feel more powerful and "hands off".

2) Make the tutorial a restricted loop which, end of the loop, concludes with you having one single weaker Forsaken. Reason for it is that this could make it easier to transition into a tutorial for training Forsaken specifically.

3) Perhaps some alternate ways to corrupt the heroines outside of combat? Spiking their water supply with aphrodisiac while at home is one idea.

This is by no means exhaustive and really just some things i thought up while in the shower. Anyone else?

Your position is fair, but I do see some potential problems with your points after. I'll address them one at a time below.

(1) This is a big change in the gameplay and almost makes the game more of a simulator where you just program in NPCs to do certain things and sit back while they do the work. This point lacks the interactivity the game already has because of that, which I believe is part of the appeal.

(2) As there is no real tutorial in the gameplay, this would restrict certain things like being able to win with a triple distortion or triple full break where all of them become Forsaken. I do see this having potential as a completely separate mode or an addition to single play, where you can't really go anywhere within the same gameplay loop anyway, perhaps this could be a new scenario for single play like we already have with the bosses.

(3) This sort of already happens, they can have breaks due to scenes with third parties like outsider/civilian NPCs or other Chosen such as when an already corrupted Chosen breaks into a virgin Chosen's room and takes their virginity. Also, this goes into point 1 as well, it starts taking from the actual gameplay in battles.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Been playing this game since Release..20ish, i think? Big fan of the concept, but not so much the execution. This is definitely a game for people who get off on a variety of kinks, but i think the biggest fetish is for people with a Mathematics leaning. Exponential graphs get you hard. Spreadsheets make you cum uncontrollably. For the the mathmatically inept (like me), it's actually kind of frustrating. I can't ever seem to make headway in the game and, i feel it suffers from being so impenetrable. I am not a complete idiot, the game is what it is and it isn't going to change now no matter what my observations are. I would, however still like to post my recommendations for anyone else looking to do something like this in the future.

Honest and fair criticism.

1) If we are going to be a long term planner adversary, I would actually challenge the need for turn based combat entirely. Instead of wading through each encounter choosing the most mathematically effective route for what you want, I would just make it a fire and forget thing. Basically, for each encounter, the Demon Lord picks a girl, picks what he wants to get done to her, and then any variables added. The demons, forsaken, items, etc. Game then fires off a summary scene or an automated blow by blow and you either succeed or fail depending on your approach measured against a difficulty. Or something. I'm not experienced enough in game design to comment on if it is easy or not, just a thought i had. It's a concept on how to make the Demon Lord PC feel more powerful and "hands off".

It would be difficult to program an algorithm that plays this game in any manner approaching "correct". I suggested something that would mean basically the same thing with the introduction of the green tooltips and that's essentially what CSDev said, and yeah, as a bit of a programmer myself, it's not a challenge I would take on. It seems like it'd also be difficult to estimate what a competent player could do with the tools available to them at any given time. Personally, I don't feel what you're proposing is something that would quite fit here--there are absolutely tons of games on this site where you make gradual progress with girls through hitting their buttons.

2) Make the tutorial a restricted loop which, end of the loop, concludes with you having one single weaker Forsaken. Reason for it is that this could make it easier to transition into a tutorial for training Forsaken specifically.

This, though, I agree on, in general principle at least. There should be a much more "step-by-step" tutorial with a fixed stable of Chosen showing progress through battles and telling players what button to press and why that button is a good button to press. I think Kalloi once made a text guide walkthrough scenario like that, but stopped around the first T2 break--I'd prefer something like that but integrated into the game, going through T3 and T4 breaks, possibly even using a Distortion on one Chosen, and maybe eventually, as you said, progressing into Forsaken training. Personally, I'd make it separate from any kind of campaign and make it clear players can and should stop at any time and go play the real game,, with tutorial text suggesting they do so at any of several logical break points.

The main issue with doing this is that the game is still an alpha, though the last few releases have not really changed much about the basic interactions and have changed only the text of Single Play mode. Currently, the only support for players doing something like this is Commentary Mode, which only allows for commentary text before each button is pressed. I'm also fairly sure CSdev is too busy adding new features to do a detailed playthrough of the type required.

CSdev, if you're interested in adding something like this to the game and you'd like some help with what to explain, where to write the explanation, and how to explain it, let me know. I can create some basic Chosen in a Single Play loop, copy all text from the playthrough in a document, and add things to the document in a different font indicating what I think is good, solid, tutorial text--where to place it so that it does the most good, and where to add [Continue] breaks so new players don't just get a huge impenetrable wall of stuff they don't understand.

Just let me know if you would make use of something like that because it's a lot of work.

3) Perhaps some alternate ways to corrupt the heroines outside of combat? Spiking their water supply with aphrodisiac while at home is one idea.

This is by no means exhaustive and really just some things i thought up while in the shower. Anyone else?

I'm not opposed to this, but I'd think this would be something to add after the core loop is complete, with all species types and bosses.

 

[taggerforce]

Been playing this game since Release..20ish, i think? Big fan of the concept, but not so much the execution. This is definitely a game for people who get off on a variety of kinks, but i think the biggest fetish is for people with a Mathematics leaning. Exponential graphs get you hard. Spreadsheets make you cum uncontrollably. For the the mathmatically inept (like me), it's actually kind of frustrating. I can't ever seem to make headway in the game and, i feel it suffers from being so impenetrable. I am not a complete idiot, the game is what it is and it isn't going to change now no matter what my observations are. I would, however still like to post my recommendations for anyone else looking to do something like this in the future.

1) If we are going to be a long term planner adversary, I would actually challenge the need for turn based combat entirely. Instead of wading through each encounter choosing the most mathematically effective route for what you want, I would just make it a fire and forget thing. Basically, for each encounter, the Demon Lord picks a girl, picks what he wants to get done to her, and then any variables added. The demons, forsaken, items, etc. Game then fires off a summary scene or an automated blow by blow and you either succeed or fail depending on your approach measured against a difficulty. Or something. I'm not experienced enough in game design to comment on if it is easy or not, just a thought i had. It's a concept on how to make the Demon Lord PC feel more powerful and "hands off".

2) Make the tutorial a restricted loop which, end of the loop, concludes with you having one single weaker Forsaken. Reason for it is that this could make it easier to transition into a tutorial for training Forsaken specifically.

3) Perhaps some alternate ways to corrupt the heroines outside of combat? Spiking their water supply with aphrodisiac while at home is one idea.

This is by no means exhaustive and really just some things i thought up while in the shower. Anyone else?

Personally not really a math fan here, i just want to see how corruption depicts and shape with different personality and how chosen act and interact with allies/related person and whole society

 

[Formaldehyde]

I keep getting this problem where i cant click continue and the box is just highlighted.

 

[Nemo de Nemo]

Personally not really a math fan here, i just want to see how corruption depicts and shape with different personality and how chosen act and interact with allies/related person and whole society

Been playing this game since Release..20ish, i think? Big fan of the concept, but not so much the execution. This is definitely a game for people who get off on a variety of kinks, but i think the biggest fetish is for people with a Mathematics leaning. Exponential graphs get you hard. Spreadsheets make you cum uncontrollably. For the the mathmatically inept (like me), it's actually kind of frustrating. I can't ever seem to make headway in the game and, i feel it suffers from being so impenetrable. I am not a complete idiot, the game is what it is and it isn't going to change now no matter what my observations are. I would, however still like to post my recommendations for anyone else looking to do something like this in the future.

I have done a few loops proper, but I also have trouble getting all the numbers to line up, so I play with cheats to enjoy the storytelling parts without strict gameplay restraints.
Mostly bringing this up to suggest playing with cheats so you can either just spawn uber commanders to break chosen in two (EE cheat), or give yourself infinite time to amass EE and Trauma (day change cheat).

 

[Anyone9999]

I keep getting this problem where i cant click continue and the box is just highlighted.


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Known issue in 45e. The Regenerate action crashes the game when a chosen goes below 10K Expo with it. (I think? It also may be 1000 and 100, but 10K is the most prevalent in my experience.)

EDIT: Got another crash! When trying to use a chosen to parasitize Despair in the attached save with the elected forsaken, the game crashes. Despair is a stock chosen.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Known issue in 45e. The Regenerate action crashes the game when a chosen goes below 10K Expo with it. (I think? It also may be 1000 and 100, but 10K is the most prevalent in my experience.)

EDIT: Got another crash! When trying to use a chosen to parasitize Despair in the attached save with the elected forsaken, the game crashes. Despair is a stock chosen.

ahh ok that make sense.

 

[taggerforce]

Known issue in 45e. The Regenerate action crashes the game when a chosen goes below 10K Expo with it. (I think? It also may be 1000 and 100, but 10K is the most prevalent in my experience.)

EDIT: Got another crash! When trying to use a chosen to parasitize Despair in the attached save with the elected forsaken, the game crashes. Despair is a stock chosen.

I had the same problem too, i solved by playing it on 44b build just to get trough the parasitize section

 

[odraxere]

how do you play with cheats? the idea is interesting but the gampleay sucks ass i don't want to do a math equation every time i want to do something lol

 

[roboflyer24]

Attempting to parasitize War in this save, both using the forsaken currently in the publicist position and swapping in the available cheer causes a crash.

 

[AccountNo23_III]

Just for a bit of context here, do you not live in the west? Because from your post, I kinda feel like either you don't, or you're bizarrely ignorant when it comes to cultural ideas on sex, casual sex, un-wed sex, and purity culture just in general.

I refuse to acknowledge the existence of things with no defensible basis besides "tradition". I assume we all agree that the concepts you listed here are both wrong and so obviously wrong as to be dismissed out of hand.

Welcome back!

You were on this same trip back in February. No one agreed with you then, including the developer, and you made a point of discounting all the textual evidence that doesn't agree with your interpretation of the developer's worldview. There's nothing wrong with that, this is a porn game site that explicitly caters to strange fetishes and doesn't allow kinkshaming, so keep on being you!

You also don't seem to have brought anything new to the table in the past.... 6 months... of stewing about this game.

Rate the game a 1 and move on, maybe? Or, you know, keep posting here until the developer accepts your One Revealed Truth about their intentions. Maybe that'll work?

You recognize that these posts are exhausting to write, yes? Every time I've considered revisiting this idea, including with actual quotations and evidence, I just feel like I would actually rather be punched in the face. It's so demoralizing I just want to do anything else. I figured I'd come and test the waters, out of curiosity, once again. Maybe I'll post some quotes at some point. Right now I need a glass of water or something. Ugh.

Oh god, we got a twitter user here! Call the cancel cops!

The cutest thing about this stupid comment is that I've literally never, once, used Twitter.

 

[Kalloi]

I refuse to acknowledge the existence of things with no defensible basis besides "tradition". I assume we all agree that the concepts you listed here are both wrong and so obviously wrong as to be dismissed out of hand.


You recognize that these posts are exhausting to write, yes? Every time I've considered revisiting this idea, including with actual quotations and evidence, I just feel like I would actually rather be punched in the face. It's so demoralizing I just want to do anything else. I figured I'd come and test the waters, out of curiosity, once again. Maybe I'll post some quotes at some point. Right now I need a glass of water or something. Ugh.


The cutest thing about this stupid comment is that I've literally never, once, used Twitter.

Weren’t you that same weirdo troll that tried to rile everyone up on the forum some time ago?

Do you have anything better to do than to go on a erotic video game forum and annoy people trying to talk about a video game?

I don’t know if you have someone or are part of a little group that you report back to detail how you “owned” some people by larping as some “video game sex ethics radical” but I’ll be honest with you, it’s not a cool or fun thing. It’s just desperate and sad.

And even sadder if you don’t have anyone else that you talk to about what you’re doing.

Go out and try to make something more of your life than just rage baiting people, I guarantee that you will have more fun and feel more fulfilled in your life than making everyone around you miserable. Enjoying your own life is far better I promise you.

And for everyone on the forum new and old, this was the same person who tried prodding people masquerading about this nonsense as
if they actually cared one bit about the shit they typed out here.

Think about why would someone go on this forum and engage in debate pedo behavior about sexual ethics in video games in a forum where the game is a magical demon lord is using tentacles, psychic slime, and their potential cock to corrupt magical girls.
If you think that doesn’t make sense it’s because…well it doesn’t. And that’s why you shouldn’t care about this low effort trolling. It’s just to annoy people

For those of you who wants to dunk on them I won’t stop you but if anyone gets annoyed but whatever this guy says then remember that there’s no merit to what this person says and just ignore them. Especially if you dislike trolls like this, it’s a waste of your time and energy.