- Oct 25, 2017
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Here's my thinking:Okay, I just finished going through a new loop 1 run, did way better this time to the point that I have 13 days left before the next city, but currently my only real concern is the forsaken I currently have to work with because I genuinely don't know if any of them are actually good to use as anything, or if I should just sacrifice them all or something.
My initial thought is that Edge makes the best breeder, not sure about hypnotist (probably Prayer based on the next position), and then Stigma as the Harvester with nobody acting as a publicist right now.
Would those be good moves, or am I falling into some sort of trap?
(I also included my saves again just in case).
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You honestly don't want to set your basic Forsaken species up for long-term growth, as they're going to be replaced by higher-tier species who are just Better At That.
Prayer has a wide variety of positive effects on making new Forsaken better. When I do long runs, an Averted Prayer is a key part of what I do in the beginning. Don't let her Disgrace get any higher. I'd put her in both the Harvester and Publicist positions. She's also good as a Breeder. You bring her in at the end of a loop and her T4 breaks make the next Forsaken you build significantly better in a lot of areas. Don't worry about her damage types other than making sure she deals two categories of damage.
Stigma has some very nice growth abilities. Unfortunately she's a "regular-ass Forsaken" to quote CSdev. I'd set her up for quick damage in a single category (my preferred first damage category is EXPO, but there are good arguments to be made for both INJU and PLEA as good damage categories to build). Get her Disgrace up to 69% (nice) and her cost will be 9EE and she can chew right through a Chosen with high resistance in whatever category you picked. I wouldn't expect to be using her long term because higher-tier species are just so much better overall. Her Breeder bonus is pretty good for making stronger Forsaken, but you're probably going to want at least one that's heavy on damage for your next loop and Stigma's isn't that great. You want an Animalistic or Undead with those same bonuses to be one of your main threats as you go through loops. Long-term she ends up in the breeding pit, in my saves, as soon as I get an Animalistic or Undead with stacked up bonuses to whatever damage type I pick for her.
Edge doesn't have too much going for her, but the fact that she can grow her Stamina some is nice for fighting Devils in lategame. I probably follow the same general path as Stigma, aiming for 69% Disgrace and a single damage type. I'd put her in the Breeder position quite a bit and let her get the breaks on all the Forsaken I'm not planning to keep (letting Prayer break those that are useful for something, basically the higher-tier species). My suggested second damage type is INJU so that she'll replace the stage where you need to constantly send out (in my playthroughs, 44EE) Commanders to build up for a T4 CON break. Try not to get her Obedience too high as you're building her CON Expertise because you'll be sending her out frequently.
Have you gotten a handle on Distortions yet? Being able to give Forsaken a 50% bonus to two damage types is a real game-changer at this level of play.