Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]
So I'm just playing today until Judgment shows up. The second Angel shows up early in the first Combat. I'm trying to minimize
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Anyway tonight I'm just playing until Judgment shows up and then I'm stopping. My early goals are to do as little damage as possible to the Angels while still earning 1-2 EE per day, to send out my Undead Demon Knight. I quickly find that the 792% Luxuries means that I need a minimum of 871 Trauma to earn that first point of EE, so that's the magic number. I'd like to have as close as possible to this on both Angels and have them just trade Trauma back and forth until Judgment shows up. This is so that I don't let Judgment's Devil abilities get her very resistant to damage.
Testament has pre-broken T2 INN, and Luster (CSdev I think you mean "Lustre" but I don't know these two, maybe you didn't) has pre-broken T2 MOR.
MOR (sig)
INN (sig)
CON (core)
DIG (sig)
unless there's something else going on in this fight which is certainly possible.
I make purchases of all "free" (with Tomorrow's Newspaper) upgrades, and all 1EE and 2EE upgrades except for Enhanced Polymorphism before day 1.
Day 1 Downtime: +1EE, no Judgment
Day 2 Downtime: +1EE, no Judgment (purchase Enhanced Polymorphism and two "free" upgrades, 14EE remaining)
Day 3 Judgment shows up Round 5! That's going to be it for tonight, I'll load the Day 3 save when I continue.
If anyone wants to play along, I've attached a trimmed-down save file to this post. Get those lategame Forsaken and try to figure out what the fuck I'm doing with all of them! Fun!
Saves have generally been backwards compatible--have you tried it to see? I'm seriously not doing that much work again unless and until I get something bundled with the game. I might see about getting the old version (nopics) bundled with it on the page if it's no longer loading in R58. Most of the changes since R58 are not affecting the basic "single play" scenario and are intended for campaigns so I'm going to ask you to try it and see if it loads in R58 and let me know if it doesn't so I can get the right version bundled with it.
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Anyway tonight I'm just playing until Judgment shows up and then I'm stopping. My early goals are to do as little damage as possible to the Angels while still earning 1-2 EE per day, to send out my Undead Demon Knight. I quickly find that the 792% Luxuries means that I need a minimum of 871 Trauma to earn that first point of EE, so that's the magic number. I'd like to have as close as possible to this on both Angels and have them just trade Trauma back and forth until Judgment shows up. This is so that I don't let Judgment's Devil abilities get her very resistant to damage.
Testament has pre-broken T2 INN, and Luster (CSdev I think you mean "Lustre" but I don't know these two, maybe you didn't) has pre-broken T2 MOR.
This means that my version of Judgment (maybe everyone's, IDK) will have:
MOR (sig)
INN (sig)
CON (core)
DIG (sig)
unless there's something else going on in this fight which is certainly possible.
I make purchases of all "free" (with Tomorrow's Newspaper) upgrades, and all 1EE and 2EE upgrades except for Enhanced Polymorphism before day 1.
Day 1 Downtime: +1EE, no Judgment
Day 2 Downtime: +1EE, no Judgment (purchase Enhanced Polymorphism and two "free" upgrades, 14EE remaining)
Day 3 Judgment shows up Round 5! That's going to be it for tonight, I'll load the Day 3 save when I continue.
If anyone wants to play along, I've attached a trimmed-down save file to this post. Get those lategame Forsaken and try to figure out what the fuck I'm doing with all of them! Fun!
i read throu the tags twice and didnt see it. might have something to do with being tired.
Picking this up again ever so often but I still really struggle in later loops (3 upwards). It really feels like the balancing is designed around 100% perfection, where deviating from the "best" decisions in any given day will come bite you in the ass later, sometimes a few runs down the line, because you lost out on Forsaken training time, spent too much EE that one day, picked a wrong distortion yadayada - as evident of the feedback above where a very experienced player is complaining that lucking out on a perfect combination of items (what are the odds) will drop the challenge a bit (I mean, duh 
Would that be so terrible to be ahead of the curve for once, IF you get that lucky?)
I don't wanna resort to outright cheating as that truly trivialises it, but just a shoutout to the Dev to ease up a bit
Would that be so terrible to be ahead of the curve for once, IF you get that lucky?)I don't wanna resort to outright cheating as that truly trivialises it, but just a shoutout to the Dev to ease up a bit
Haven't had JRE in over 5 years, lol.
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Totally fair feedback. I'm always turning up the difficulty on strategy games to see how far I can take it. That's why I:Picking this up again ever so often but I still really struggle in later loops (3 upwards). It really feels like the balancing is designed around 100% perfection, where deviating from the "best" decisions in any given day will come bite you in the ass later, sometimes a few runs down the line, because you lost out on Forsaken training time, spent too much EE that one day, picked a wrong distortion yadayada - as evident of the feedback above where a very experienced player is complaining that lucking out on a perfect combination of items (what are the odds) will drop the challenge a bit (I mean, duh
I don't wanna resort to outright cheating as that truly trivialises it, but just a shoutout to the Dev to ease up a bit
1) Recruited Splendor first
2) Made her my Second-in-Command
3) Hit every "alternative exit" (warp) on the way even if I didn't use them
For context, I play Slay the Spire on Ascension 20, even though I don't regularly win.
I'm pretty sure CSdev is planning some less difficult options other than turning difficulty modifiers completely off, but I'm also fairly sure that something like that will not be implemented until it's much closer to its final state. I could be wrong though. In the meantime I know there's a way to turn loop scaling off, I remember it being implemented somewhere, but I can't find it in the Options menu.
Day 3: Judgment appears
I have 14 Evil Energy, which I set aside for this day specifically. First, I peek ahead to day 4 to get an idea of what I want to do with these 3 Forsaken (Distortion plans):
Judgment does not have any self-buffs, which makes setting her up to do damage much less attractive and pushes me more towards the idea of setting her in one of the positions where she gives an overall bonus to Forsaken.
Testament has a self-buff to her own PLEA per Hypnosis, which means that putting her in a position where she can do serious damage is highly attractive. I already have an Averted Angel, but that one doesn't have any way of really getting stronger.
Luster has nothing I want that I don't already have on other Forsaken.
So, time to make my choice:
I will convert Judgment through Rampancy. Even without self buffs, a stacking buff of +150% (all circumstances) and +50% (all circumstances) combined with the ability with Hot Tag to set her cost to whatever I want seems like it may be really good. I can't imagine a situation where this isn't a strong option, and actually a somewhat balanced one as well because it does damage the Motivation of the rest of my Forsaken horde (and there's over a dozen of them at this point) to deploy her. I'm going to aim for 3 damage types, and maybe hope I can pick up Prism (Heavyweight Item) later as its the next Item I really want to try out.
I want to make Testament Averted, but then I remember that she already has a broken T2 INN. So she can be Tempted, Negotiated, or made my Second-in-Command. Analysis:
Luster is kind of valueless. If I get enough EE this Loop I will try for Despair on her. Despair has a base cost of 1500 with the pre-breaks that are here, and it'll go up as I get other breaks on other Chosen, 300 per MOR/INN break on Judgment and 150 per same break on the other two. If I manage to get absolutely minimal breakage to accomplish my other goals, that brings the cost up to...
600 (4-2 breaks on Judgment) + 600 (6-2 breaks on Testament) + 1500 = 2700 EE. Fuckkkk that's 18 days of waiting meaning I need to finish by day 8. Wait, no it's actually earlier because if I don't get breaks on Luster I can't get more than 101 EE. That's an extra 300EE which means I need to finish by day 6, and it's day 3 already...
Yeah don't think that's happening. I'll make a play for it though I don't expect it to work. If I don't seem to be getting it I'll try putting Luster either on a Rampancy plan (she can't do Temptation because of pre-broken MOR) or chew through 300% Morale, or just get her to suicide/run away by converting the other 2, whatever it's FINE.
And, with a quick load, I am back at Day 3 with my plan for these Chosen all made up! No gameplay today, perverts!
I have 14 Evil Energy, which I set aside for this day specifically. First, I peek ahead to day 4 to get an idea of what I want to do with these 3 Forsaken (Distortion plans):
Naturally, I ignore the EE cost because that can be changed by DIG breaks, which I have control over. My analysis:
Judgment does not have any self-buffs, which makes setting her up to do damage much less attractive and pushes me more towards the idea of setting her in one of the positions where she gives an overall bonus to Forsaken.
Testament has a self-buff to her own PLEA per Hypnosis, which means that putting her in a position where she can do serious damage is highly attractive. I already have an Averted Angel, but that one doesn't have any way of really getting stronger.
Luster has nothing I want that I don't already have on other Forsaken.
So, time to make my choice:
I will convert Judgment through Rampancy. Even without self buffs, a stacking buff of +150% (all circumstances) and +50% (all circumstances) combined with the ability with Hot Tag to set her cost to whatever I want seems like it may be really good. I can't imagine a situation where this isn't a strong option, and actually a somewhat balanced one as well because it does damage the Motivation of the rest of my Forsaken horde (and there's over a dozen of them at this point) to deploy her. I'm going to aim for 3 damage types, and maybe hope I can pick up Prism (Heavyweight Item) later as its the next Item I really want to try out.
I want to make Testament Averted, but then I remember that she already has a broken T2 INN. So she can be Tempted, Negotiated, or made my Second-in-Command. Analysis:
- Tempted gives her Personal Paradise, which provides a constant fuel top-up for the other Forsaken partners she has. I'm not huge on this as her PLEA self-buff makes me want to put her in a damage-dealing position, and the plan to Tempt Love means I won't be using any of these Forsaken for damage.
- Negotiated is somewhat attractive overall in that I want some Angel Forsaken in this role to provide buffs to Demon Commanders that I use all the time due to Hot Tag, but doesn't result in Testament dealing extra damage. Plus it results in less EE overall, but I don't foresee my EE being a problem this time.
- Megalomaniacal is also not great because I still am going to want to occupy this position with multiple Forsaken in upcoming loops, meaning that her damage will be reduced by 50% and she'll be worthless at that point. But until then, it's the only option that gives another self-stacking buff to PLEA. It's also kind of hard to make Megalomaniac Angels for reasons I mentioned in another post. The 0 cost in final battle means that I'm not going to want to break her DIG at all as that's the only time I would use her.
Luster is kind of valueless. If I get enough EE this Loop I will try for Despair on her. Despair has a base cost of 1500 with the pre-breaks that are here, and it'll go up as I get other breaks on other Chosen, 300 per MOR/INN break on Judgment and 150 per same break on the other two. If I manage to get absolutely minimal breakage to accomplish my other goals, that brings the cost up to...
600 (4-2 breaks on Judgment) + 600 (6-2 breaks on Testament) + 1500 = 2700 EE. Fuckkkk that's 18 days of waiting meaning I need to finish by day 8. Wait, no it's actually earlier because if I don't get breaks on Luster I can't get more than 101 EE. That's an extra 300EE which means I need to finish by day 6, and it's day 3 already...
Yeah don't think that's happening. I'll make a play for it though I don't expect it to work. If I don't seem to be getting it I'll try putting Luster either on a Rampancy plan (she can't do Temptation because of pre-broken MOR) or chew through 300% Morale, or just get her to suicide/run away by converting the other 2, whatever it's FINE.
And, with a quick load, I am back at Day 3 with my plan for these Chosen all made up! No gameplay today, perverts!
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When I put the save in the folder with the corrupted saviors executable, then when I open the executable, it's just a black screen
Hm. I know my save file is big, but I can trim it down a little bit more. Java is damn slow at processing this particular whatever kind of file it is, which CS does constantly even outside of saving/loading the game.
Are you currently running Release 58c? Is that what you see when you start the game without my saves.sav file? Save files are generally backwards compatible but they obviously can't be forward compatible.
If so, try this one, it's got only the start of loop save:
Save works fine. Says it's on loop 20, day one versus testament. It also loads instantly
OH ok. I'll see if I can get an R53 Corrupted Saviors version to upload, I probably still have that one on my computer and it's not much to upload (as long as I do nopics) I kept a version of R53 for a long time after R54 came out just to work on that walkthrough.
Sorry I'm not used to this here is the file assuming it's small enough to download through f95z
I'll update the wiki page as well.
This contains all actual save files from the walkthrough so you can load any day from it, obviously find "Walkthrough Start" which should be the very first slot.
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Oh, that's curious, I've actually left the game alone for a while but I thought the looping mode was to let you grind down the game by just accumulating points through each defeat until you win.
There's no "win" condition, so all you can do is go further and further into more and more loops until you eventually *lose*. I kind of like it that way honestly, it's a bit hopeful that every Demon Lord eventually gets bested, in a game that's otherwise very dark.
CSdev make sure you implement an "endless mode" after you have the game in a more finalized state. I will be...
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I am seriously struggling to understand this game, even though it intrigues me.
At the moment, I have the mission to get a level 5 helper demon; I'm getting between 2 and 3 evil points every day... Is this okay? Is it a slow start?
From what I understand, the point of the game is to make sure that the magical girls do something corrupt every day, so that you can get enough points to keep up with them? Maybe?
I don't know what the point is of the secondary stats, after you've captured them (pleasure, injury, etc.), since they don't seem to get you more evil points, and in order to get them into that state, you need to forgoe doing the primary stat damage (disgust, fear, etc.)
At the moment, I have the mission to get a level 5 helper demon; I'm getting between 2 and 3 evil points every day... Is this okay? Is it a slow start?
From what I understand, the point of the game is to make sure that the magical girls do something corrupt every day, so that you can get enough points to keep up with them? Maybe?
I don't know what the point is of the secondary stats, after you've captured them (pleasure, injury, etc.), since they don't seem to get you more evil points, and in order to get them into that state, you need to forgoe doing the primary stat damage (disgust, fear, etc.)
Reading this is very discouraging, as I already feel like my brain is splitting in two just trying to comprehend what is happening.Picking this up again ever so often but I still really struggle in later loops (3 upwards). It really feels like the balancing is designed around 100% perfection, where deviating from the "best" decisions in any given day will come bite you in the ass later, sometimes a few runs down the line, because you lost out on Forsaken training time, spent too much EE that one day, picked a wrong distortion yadayada - as evident of the feedback above where a very experienced player is complaining that lucking out on a perfect combination of items (what are the odds) will drop the challenge a bit (I mean, duh
I don't wanna resort to outright cheating as that truly trivialises it, but just a shoutout to the Dev to ease up a bit