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Yay! I’m really happy you’re enjoying the game so far and congratulations on your victory as well! Getting the hang of the game is huge undertaking but you once you get the flow down, loops and what you need to do will feel much easier, and that’s when you’ll be able to plan out how you want your forsaken to be as soon as they all show up as chosen, especially since you managed to get an orgy off, getting one of those is the turning point in just about every loop imo so being able to do it consistently to teams is a good goal to shoot for next!
And I'm glad my write-up was helpful! I know training has learning curve almost on the same level as the core game so I want to my best to help out when I can
It’s really dope to hear that you have two forsaken with double damage as well! The main thing to note is the EE it costs to deploy them.
Fighting styles and the damage output scale with EE so the more it cost to send them out, the more damage they’ll do, including their defilers damage output and the bonuses from their punisher positions
However, having high EE cost will mean two damage fighting styles will be less effective for forsaken, meaning if those forsaken of yours cost a lot of EE to send out, it’s better to switch their fighting style to a 3-4 damage fighting style
I wouldn’t say I have a specific point for each but I found the recommended range of them doing good damage relative to their EE Deployment is something like this.
Below 5 definitely 1 Damage fighting style only
5-12 EE = 1-2 Damage fighting styles (3 damage fighting styles are slightly more okay if they are distortion/superior forsaken
12-30 = 2-3 Damage fighting styles
30-50ish = 3 Damage fighting styles only
50+ = 4 Damage fighting styles only
The last bit I’m still testing the minimum sweet spot where only 4 Damage fighting styles are the Best.
And yes you’ll be able to train your HATE/PLEA forsaken into HATE/EXPO no problem! (Unless she’s too horny lol)
Expertise does two things, increase the damage for that damage type on that forsaken and is how you change fighting styles.
The higher the expertise is the more damage it does and the higher the expertise of some damage types is compared to the others is what determines if the forsaken fighting style is and if it switches
So if a forsaken has like 50k Hate expertise, 30k Pleasure expertise, 25k INJU expertise, and 20k exposure expertise she would most likely have a Hate or HATE/PLEA based fighting style
And one thing with expertise is, if the expertise experience is too low for a training action to actually add expertise, what will instead happen is it will divert expertise from the stats not raised from the training action
Ie. If your trained forsaken has all of her stats at around 100k each then you do a low level training action, something like pheromone curse that’s HATE/PLEA iirc then instead of gaining expertise experience, it’s just going to divert the expertise from INJU and EXPO into HATE and pleasure.
This is still good if you want to change fighting styles since doing enough of certain actions over and over will divert enough expertise to make her change fighting styles
So two good things to remember:
At a certain point low tier training actions will stop giving you expertise and start diverting them from the expertise not apart of the training action
At a certain point Only high tier actions will give you expertise experience
So if you focus on training actions that give out a lot expertise experience and try to raise only her hate and expo expertise eventually she will switch to the an HATE/EXPO style, depending on how high her PLEA expertise she might switch to HATE/PLEA/EXPO before that but if you come up with a good routine that raises her HATE and EXPO more than anything else each training session then you should be good in the end.
And for training forsake out of fighting styles, one thing I recommend is ending the training early if you run out of training actions that increase the expertise of damage you want to raise especially for fighting styles. If you try to go beyond that, you may be giving yourself extra work by putting expertise into stats you don’t want or worse, diverting expertise from the stats you’re trying to raise in the first place, so try to keep it concise as much as possible, only doing 1-2 low stamina cost hostility actions before training the main stats you want since hostility based training actions adds a multiplier but also increase stamina costs for training actions, this is mostly for training stats that are a bit harder to raise like pleasure and one other that I can’t recall right now
For that forsaken try using the broadcast training action first if it doesn’t raise her corruption values outside the range you want her and prioritize raising EXPO up and avoiding PLEA when you can, INJU might be okay if it’s raising her EXPO but try not to do it as much as HATE/EXPO
If you’re able to do an final tier training action like Grand concert that could be good but beware it could raise her disgrace out of the range you want and the amount of expertise may change her fighting style to a 1-damage EXPO fighting style so save scum is your friend in testing that out haha
And try to find a specific set of training actions or routine so it won’t feel like you’re just doing random things because I did that in the past and I think that’s why it took me so long to get used to training forsaken haha
I hope this helps!
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