Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[harem.king]

I'm not sure how to explain more clearly without getting into subjective morality

Subjective morality has nothing to do with this.
We are arguing about reality, not morality.

Morality: "Is X a good or a bad thing?"
Reality: "Did X happen?"

You are trying to argue that, even if I we all saw X happen with your own eyes, it didn't because authority figure (dev) said it didn't. This is simply the authority figure lying. And demanding I engage in doublethink.

I know X happened because I saw it. We all saw it.
I believe X is evil, because of my morality. But that is irrelevant to the argument.

 

[harem.king]

I only responded in the first place because someone implied that anyone not perpetually frothing at the mouth about the temple is probably a pedo and that kind of dismissive tribalism is a bugbear of mine.

This is literally the exact opposite of what you were replying to.

Word of god says there's no grooming. The game itself details a very different kind of upbringing. I talked about it awhile back;
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-10741813

Like. Whatever the word of god or intent was. Most people are either going to either knowingly make concessions because "it's a porn game". Or just accept what it is.
What that is is grooming children in a whorehouse, to work at the whorehouse upon adulthood.
Not taking a particular high horse or anything here, mind you. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

> Not taking a high horse
> Call a spade a spade

At no point has Alterism ever argued that "anyone who is not frothing at the mouth in rage against this is a pedo". That is literally the opposite of what he actually said.

 

[The trap(and futa)enjoyer]

Bethesda = the company that made Skyrim
Todd Howard = the owner of Bethesda executive producer of bethesda for decades now (edit: corrected info)
Fenoxo = the guy who made corruption of champions 1

Sorry for not being clear but I was asking about mod

 

[smithsmithsmith]

This is literally the exact opposite of what you were replying to.


> Not taking a high horse
> Call a spade a spade

At no point has Alterism ever argued that "anyone who is not frothing at the mouth in rage against this is a pedo". That is literally the opposite of what he actually said.

I was referring to the post I responded to which started the chain, not the post you've linked there, then again given the overall level of reading comprehension you've displayed I'm expecting far too much.

 

[Comiies]

I remember the first years of this game I ended up ALWAYS fighting Kasyrra cuz back then I believed this was a continuation of CoC1 and I wanted to do a purity run.

Nowadays Kassyrra and Aileh are 2 of the best romance options this game has and I never turn them down lol.

Man even if this was a honest to heart sequal of coc1,coc1 itself had a contradictin story that just didnt make sense and even if that wasnt enough savin contraditcs and retcons the story in coc2,feelsbandman

 

[NODOGAN]

Man even if this was a honest to heart sequal of coc1,coc1 itself had a contradictin story that just didnt make sense and even if that wasnt enough savin contraditcs and retcons the story in coc2,feelsbandman

A CoC1 worthy sequel would have recurring breedable Goblins, curse Savin and his beta cuck phobia over the superior shortstack breeder race that Goblins are!

 

[Meatshield236]

It's fun watching porn game enthusiasts run face first into Death of the Author in real time. The problem, for me at least, is that, as harem.king said, the there's a contradiction between what the authors have said and the text they wrote. CoC 2 spends a lot of time fleshing out the world and setting, to the point where it details a lot of stuff that would be perfectly find not getting many details (see, everything to do with the corruption) with a decent level of consistency. Not great (the consistency, that is), but not the worst I've seen.

The basis for said world building is "typical fantasy thing, but horny." So you have 'typical fantasy temple, but the priests whore." The problem is that it's attempting to place a layer of logic to something which fundamentally runs off of porn game logic, AKA: complete nonsense. If they didn't spend so much time detailing histories, cultures, and so on, all of which have some basis in real world logic, then they wouldn't invite us to apply real world logic to the setting in the first place. Hence why everyone has a problem with the temple: it's applying real world ideas (religions taking in orphans and the unwanted and raising them to be members of the clergy) to porn game ideas (religion of sex crazed cat girls who all want to fuck you.) Hence why people call it a groomer cult: it's the uncomfortable, but logical, result of when those two ideas combine. Do I think this was their intention? Fuck no. But it's literally their job to make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen. It's a failure of both the writing and the setting that "the catgirl sex cult grooms its followers" is a logical idea to have in a game about fucking catgirls.

Truthfully, a setting this horny would have fundamentally different cultural norms and structures. You wouldn't get 'typical fantasy town #246,' you'd get something completely different because the way people are wired (for being all horny all the time) would be different. What that would be... would be an exercise in world building that's beyond the scope of this comment. It's obvious this whole setting is just their DnD campaign world that they've transposed to this game. And them having this setting for their own private games is fine. But when it's a product people are paying for? And it's still this mess of porn game logic thrown into a typical fantasy setting without any thoughts as to how any of it would play out? That's when the willing suspension of disbelif stops and the criticism starts.

 

[fakklan]

A hypothetical.
Let's say CoC II Redone happens, and the team behind it finally gets their shit together:

-the world has good lore that doesn't contradict itself, instead building a comprehensive world
-combat/inventory/movement mechanics are smooth and good
-characters (npcs or companions if there will be any) are likeable and have good backstory, interactions and qeustlines
-the player character is in the spotlight again and the game is back to being a player-driven powerfantasy
-your choices in fact matter and game can be completed with various outcomes
-devs close all forms of communication, their forum circlejerk vanishing into the mist

BUT, there is a tradeoff:

-all characters are furries or scalies, at least the sexable ones
-all chatacters are futas and shemales, men and women barely existing
-lead dev's OC is back at it again being the (2nd this time) most important character in the story
-the devs write only their fetishes and nothing else, even if you don't like it
-updates don't happen until a piece of content is fully done and integrated with the rest of the game
-game bricks if you try to mod it

Do you take the trade? Does it make it better or worse for you? It's the only way I could see it happened if they actually buckled to all the (rigthful) criticism, while probably still keeping their schenanigans. Or that's my hypothesis, at least.

 

[harem.king]

A hypothetical.
Let's say CoC II Redone happens, and the team behind it finally gets their shit together:

-the world has good lore that doesn't contradict itself, instead building a comprehensive world
-combat/inventory/movement mechanics are smooth and good
-characters (npcs or companions if there will be any) are likeable and have good backstory, interactions and qeustlines
-the player character is in the spotlight again and the game is back to being a player-driven powerfantasy
-your choices in fact matter and game can be completed with various outcomes
-devs close all forms of communication, their forum circlejerk vanishing into the mist

BUT, there is a tradeoff:

-all characters are furries or scalies, at least the sexable ones
-all chatacters are futas and shemales, men and women barely existing
-lead dev's OC is back at it again being the (2nd this time) most important character in the story
-the devs write only their fetishes and nothing else, even if you don't like it
-updates don't happen until a piece of content is fully done and integrated with the rest of the game
-game bricks if you try to mod it

Do you take the trade? Does it make it better or worse for you? It's the only way I could see it happened if they actually buckled to all the (rigthful) criticism, while probably still keeping their schenanigans. Or that's my hypothesis, at least.

The question is off for me.
I have dropped the current game and don't play it anymore.
And I have zero interest in this hypothetical remake.
So whether the deal is accepted or not, makes no difference, either way I won't be playing.

The biggest dealbreak in the remake hypothetical you described is the "all futas and shemales", which I find unattractive.
A porn game that does not get you off is a failure.

Also, the "tradeoff" of "game bricks if you try to mod it"...
the game is already super hostile to mods. The last mod friendly game from that company was CoC1.

 

[fakklan]

Also, the "tradeoff" of "game bricks if you try to mod it"...
the game is already super hostile to mods. The last mod friendly game from that company was CoC1.

So it's completely unmoddabble already? I know it's no good on that front and I haven't seen any mods; game bitches even about edited saves.

 

[harem.king]

So it's completely unmoddabble already? I know it's no good on that front and I haven't seen any mods; game bitches even about edited saves.

Yea. the writing team was extremely salty that mods were removing their super spechual OC donut steel from the game. Or letting players taket he dominant position with their self insert who must always dom and rape the players and never be a sub ever.

Devs literally wrote essays ranting about how mods are EVIL
Saying shit like
> "we accept scene submissions from public. the only reason to ever make a mod for our games is if your writing is so shitty it could not pass a review. thus mods are all going to be trash".

And spent a lot of effort into making CoC2 and TITS to be unmoddable (well, as much as they could get them too).

There is apparently one tiny tiny mod that was released once. but then stopped after only 1 release.
My guess is that fenoxo changed their anti modding schema to shut it down.

 

[Wrynn13]

A hypothetical.
Let's say CoC II Redone happens, and the team behind it finally gets their shit together:

-the world has good lore that doesn't contradict itself, instead building a comprehensive world
-combat/inventory/movement mechanics are smooth and good
-characters (npcs or companions if there will be any) are likeable and have good backstory, interactions and qeustlines
-the player character is in the spotlight again and the game is back to being a player-driven powerfantasy
-your choices in fact matter and game can be completed with various outcomes
-devs close all forms of communication, their forum circlejerk vanishing into the mist

BUT, there is a tradeoff:

-all characters are furries or scalies, at least the sexable ones
-all chatacters are futas and shemales, men and women barely existing
-lead dev's OC is back at it again being the (2nd this time) most important character in the story
-the devs write only their fetishes and nothing else, even if you don't like it
-updates don't happen until a piece of content is fully done and integrated with the rest of the game
-game bricks if you try to mod it

Do you take the trade? Does it make it better or worse for you? It's the only way I could see it happened if they actually buckled to all the (rigthful) criticism, while probably still keeping their schenanigans. Or that's my hypothesis, at least.

Hard no. The first two parts of the so called tradeoff alone would kill the game harder for me than Savin's bullshit.

 

[Alphonsocat]

Hard no. The first two changes alone would kill the game harder for me than Savin's bullshit.

they just need to add more incest and loli to get more people, these are the only tags missing atm as far as we noticed.

 

[Wrynn13]

they just need to add more incest and loli to get more people, these are the only tags missing atm as far as we noticed.

Wouldn't change anything for me. making the game more furry and with less females is a hard pass, it's barely tolerable as is.

 

[Duderino]

Welllll, she does have a BDSM dungeon iirc full of pregnant unwilling torture victims.

In which your character can decide to "punish" her by banging her in front of said victims.

I still consider that less degen than the temple since the game acknowledges it for what it is and in the grand scheme of things isn't even that off for the setting.

As soon as you step 3 feet outside of a village you'll have 10 different creatures lining up to rape and impregnate or get impregnated by you and if you beat them you get to be the one raping them* so by that point it doesn't even register

*though it's mostly written as "they're asking for it" anyway as it's a very hypersexed setting so it never feels super dark

This isn't even a complaint as I like kas and I think she ends up being one of the good things about the game just that the setting and worldbuilding aren't something you can take seriously even in silly porn game terms(like monster girl quest is also a silly hypersexed world but the world building is consistent and you can engage with it on those terms if you want)

Brienne is a good example of how the corruption thing can feel "off" in the setting, Brienne is the devoted waifu and even has a dream/nightmare scene where she gets corrupted by Kas but when you consider the scenes with Kas and Aileh and how she treats her family versus Brienne wanting to see you rawdog and impregnate her immediate family, even wanting to get into a 4 way marriage with her own sister and mother you got to wonder how much more "corrupt" could Kas really make her, I feel if I were to introduce them Brienne would be the one trying to corrupt Kas into becoming another one of your breeding wives, it's why the Kas romance path is the only way that playing this story can make sense to me, because fighting her to stop "corruption" doesn't make much sense when you look at the rest of the world but if you're just chasing after the demonussy while fucking everything on the way then it makes some sense at least

 

[ExcitedTengu]

Tollus 2024, let's make cults honest again.

Honestly yeah, the pretenders that call themselves gods in this setting don't deserve worship.

 

[Skandranon]

And spent a lot of effort into making CoC2 and TITS to be unmoddable (well, as much as they could get them too).

I don't think they've done anything at all to prevent mods in the game.

 

[muschi26]

I don't think they've done anything at all to prevent mods in the game.

Avoid a lot of things that would’ve made modding easier.

 

[Skandranon]

I still consider that less degen than the temple since the game acknowledges it for what it is and in the grand scheme of things isn't even that off for the setting.

Casual victory rape seems to be somewhat normal for the setting, at least in the wilderness. Kidnapping, imprisonment, forced impregnation and loss of soul is more than a couple of steps past what anyone else is doing.

Kas is bad news. She's done a crapton of evil stuff.

Personally, I just don't think the game focuses on it enough. It mentions offhandedly stuff she does, but then goes back to treating her like a waifu without either the MC or the party dwelling on it.

Romancing Kas should feel like you're doing something bad/wrong/evil, amd the way they frame it, it doesn't.

I made a few comments on the official forum a long time back about how I thought Kas could be handled better, but didnt really get any traction. Alypia kinda brushed it off.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I made a few comments on the official forum a long time back about how I thought Kas could be handled better, but didnt really get any traction. Alypia kinda brushed it off.

....Did Alypia respond to a query about Kas, which was supposed to be Savin's character? What would they know about Kas? Or did they just straight up ignore it?