Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

You know, something has been on my mind and I have to ask y'all about it.

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

The reason behind it is that usually, some of the best works are written because the writer/s are passionate about something. Variety might be the spice of life, but realistically speaking, if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder. By that point - they would just be fulfilling the diversity quota. They would create, write and add character they don't fully care about because they exist just to add one hyper-specific fetish that a lot of people like and not because anyone on the dev team has anything to say or do with that character.

A lot of best porn games are hyper-specific. They target 1 specific fetish and make a game where it's the main idea. They might add a few complimentary fetishes and integrate them well enough, but "The Core Fetish" is still there. Fenoxo's games, meanwhile, sort of feel like... "We are X setting with EVERY fetish"? It's kinda why I never really bashed them for not giving attention to X or Y content, cause realistically speaking, just how much effort can they put into it when it's just a side thing?

I feel like for a game like CoC2 to actually be great with this concept it needs either
1) A rich cast of writers who have wide fetish range and can fill the gaps to allow every fetish to feel really solid
2) A single writer who is a massive pervert and can literally understand and immerse themselves into 90% of fetishes and nail every scene because they aren't biased - rather, they like everything.

Then again, people are very fond on CoC1 which, I've heard, did exactly that and I, admittedly, didn't play. So I am curious how that is handled there and if that problem was there and it wasn't, how it was solved.

We talked about this kind of thing awhile back.

I'm of the opinion that everyone should write exclusively the things they're into, that's how you get the best stuff. Getting a wide enough range of people into different stuff would then give the game more variety, as opposed to having people write stuff they barely care about.


But, as I mentioned, this game recruits exclusively from its own audience. The only people who want to write for these games are people who are already fans of these games - thus, the things they are into are probably going to be very similiar to what we already have.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

On the right hands, possibly but I wouldn't bet on it. Then again, I think there's a chance someone can be too passionate with their work to the point where they spawn torrents and torrents of material that just boggle everything or don't write it well enough because they're misguided about its quality.

 

[Wrynn13]

We talked about this kind of thing awhile back.

I'm of the opinion that everyone should write exclusively the things they're into, that's how you get the best stuff. Getting a wide enough range of people into different stuff would then give the game more variety, as opposed to having people write stuff they barely care about.


But, as I mentioned, this game recruits exclusively from its own audience. The only people who want to write for these games are people who are already fans of these games - thus, the things they are into are probably going to be very similiar to what we already have.

This is largely why I was so hopeful when Aly was brought on. I for some reason thought oh look they have someone that's going to write new stuff, we'll be certain to get some quality F/F content now. Fuck was I wrong.

 

[zwere]

if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder

Depends on what we're talking about. As long as the thing they don't like isn't something so outlandish that you have to be into it to "get it", they should have zero issue writing for scenes that aren't necessarily their favorite thing in the world. What kind of hack writer sucks at writing things they aren't obsessed with? Passion can motivate you to write more, but it's not like it is some magical amplifier to your literary prowess. If anything, staying within your comfort zone too much will just make you a worse writer. Just look at Tobs. He spent so much time smelling his own farts in his little kitsune fort that it rotted his already fragile brain.

 

[Basty96]

A hell in which you have no prewritten scenes, but instead the game-ified choose-your-action *you do x, partner responds with y* tug-of-war with the AI like some games with single developer have, when the enemies are generic and randomized.

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

 

[Basty96]

On the right hands, possibly but I wouldn't bet on it. Then again, I think there's a chance someone can be too passionate with their work to the point where they spawn torrents and torrents of material that just boggle everything or don't write it well enough because they're misguided about its quality.

so ToBS and his bullshit?

 

[Skandranon]

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

If he isn't I will.

 

[MoneyMan181]

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

I mean yeah the scenes in LT are kinda doodoo asscheeks in terms of actually getting off. I don't think I've ever actually beat my meat to that game.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

so ToBS and his bullshit?

Probably the most evident example, yeah. To be fair, I think he'd be fine under a good lead that could trim a chunk or two of his mountains and made Nakano into a furry neckwarmer.

 

[fakklan]

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

Yes, that game's sex system is utter shit and I am not going to pretend it isn't. A porn game where you don't have anything to jack off to might as well not be a porn game. Writing quality and variety aside, CoCII is a better porn game only by the virtue of actually having sex scenes instead of sex simulators. You can at least sodomize yourself to it.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

The fetishes they stick to could be so much more bearable if they didn't spam the same exact character archetypes constantly and if they actually fleshed characters out. But they don't, so everything just melds together and feels samey as fuck.

If anything, staying within your comfort zone too much will just make you a worse writer. Just look at Tobs. He spent so much time smelling his own farts in his little kitsune fort that it rotted his already fragile brain.

But, as I mentioned, this game recruits exclusively from its own audience. The only people who want to write for these games are people who are already fans of these games - thus, the things they are into are probably going to be very similiar to what we already have.

I guess that's why CoC2 sort of... became what it is. You have a group of writers with... honestly pretty basic and limited fetishes that didn't really change or evolve over time, and staying too much within their own comfort zone because it's what the audience wanted. In fact, I'd argue it just gave them more confidence to continue going this route because almost nobody loud in the audience was demanding anything else. They would eat another generic futa/dickgirl that dominates them and acts like a mommy and feel like the more of those characters the better.

Honestly, I kinda understand the temptation. I mean, if the audience really really liked your kitsune dommy mommy wife and wants more of her, why not make an entire village of people of her race? Start focusing on the lore and your amazing original characters, since people liked her so much. It's hard to measure how many people stay for the porn and how many for the story and everything else, right? So might as well put your entire village from one of your childhood fantasies into this popular project that is getting a lot of attention!

This might a very weird that that will result in people here telling me to touch grass, but honestly, looking at CoC2 under the lens of being a massive pervert who can probably explain most tags on nhentai, I kinda think... it's a very normal game, fetish wise? It's not the most normal, obviously - that goes to all Vanilla/NTR/Drama/Wish-fulfillment stories that rarely touch obscure fetishes. But CoC2 is basically a bog-standard fantasy setting where there is a bunch of strong women with massive cocks and horsecocks and you can plap plap plap to get them pregnant preganate gregnant. To me - it's basically what happens when some nerd gets very horny during their DnD session and makes a game based on that. Sure, they are other, more obscure fetishes from time to them, but they are an exception.

 

[MoneyMan181]

This might a very weird that that will result in people here telling me to touch grass, but honestly, looking at CoC2 under the lens of being a massive pervert who can probably explain most tags on nhentai, I kinda think... it's a very normal game, fetish wise?

I think the exact same way. The weirdest CoC2 gets is like maybe one or two tentacle scenes and some cumflation. I go on nhentai/exhentai for 2 seconds and see a girl getting raped by insects and a loli futa collaring her own mother. Hell, one of the most popular artists in that space (shindoL) regularly draws more fucked up shit.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I think the exact same way. The weirdest CoC2 gets is like maybe one or two tentacle scenes and some cumflation. I go on nhentai/exhentai for 2 seconds and see a girl getting raped by insects and a loli futa collaring her own mother. Hell, one of the most popular artists in that space (shindoL) regularly draws more fucked up shit.

The funny thing is - to make CoC2 more varied we don't even need to go this far imo. Literally type "Fate" on any hentai hosting website and the variety of themes, genres and fetishes for Fate Grand Order, a freaking mobile game that has over 300 characters at this point and despite that there is so much different characters and scenarios with them that it would put CoC2 to shame.

 

[Lemix]

Is this game really that bad or people exaggarate a bit?
I was playing CoC 1 for years(never finished the game lol) from time to time and currently play TiTS(pretty fun so far).
I only played like demoness summoning prologue moment years ago and decided to shelf this game until it get more content.
I read some comments on this thread from time to time, but i cant tell if people here super biased or game is garbage.
I personally dislike catgirls and i read here that there plenty of those, any other content there, like can you bang(or get banged) by the starting demoness further in the game?
I know i can probably read a bunch of comments here but the thread is big af, so if someone knowledgeble can list some basic ratio of catgirls/other girls/dudes that you can bang and how much content is there at this point i will be grateful.

 

[Duderino]

Is this game really that bad or people exaggarate a bit?
I was playing CoC 1 for years(never finished the game lol) from time to time and currently play TiTS(pretty fun so far).
I only played like demoness summoning prologue moment years ago and decided to shelf this game until it get more content.
I read some comments on this thread from time to time, but i cant tell if people here super biased or game is garbage.
I personally dislike catgirls and i read here that there plenty of those, any other content there, like can you bang(or get banged) by the starting demoness further in the game?
I know i can probably read a bunch of comments here but the thread is big af, so if someone knowledgeble can list some basic ratio of catgirls/other girls/dudes that you can bang and how much content is there at this point i will be grateful.

I guess it depends on your pov, I'd say it's not that bad in the grand scheme of things when you compare it to the average game that ends up on this site, I'd even put it as one of the better ones when you look at the sea of games using 3DCG and now AI that are bottom of the barrel.

I think the reason why this game gets people malding more than some russian 3DCG incest VN is that no one expects anything from those games while coc2 has enough to it that can get some people invested and raise the expectations to something the game isn't able to meet, if you go in with low to moderate expectations you can have a decent time with the game

There's plenty of catgirls but they're not the majority of the content if that's your specific problem(unless by catgirls you mean monstergirls that are just animal ears+tails as in that case there's quite a few), yeah you can bang and romance the demon and there's a lot of content in general if you're a 1st time player

Honestly a lot of the worst stuff people complain about this game is specific writing choices that wouldn't mean anything to someone that hasn't played it like a particular writer that's super verbose about his weeb fantasy foxgirl culture

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Is this game really that bad or people exaggarate a bit?
I was playing CoC 1 for years(never finished the game lol) from time to time and currently play TiTS(pretty fun so far).
I only played like demoness summoning prologue moment years ago and decided to shelf this game until it get more content.
I read some comments on this thread from time to time, but i cant tell if people here super biased or game is garbage.
I personally dislike catgirls and i read here that there plenty of those, any other content there, like can you bang(or get banged) by the starting demoness further in the game?
I know i can probably read a bunch of comments here but the thread is big af, so if someone knowledgeble can list some basic ratio of catgirls/other girls/dudes that you can bang and how much content is there at this point i will be grateful.

Duderino above summerised it pretty well. If you go into it expecting a collection of loosely interconnected erotic stories attached to a serviceable combat system then it's pretty alright. If you're expecting a strong, immersive and above all consistant narrative then you're gonna have a bad time. My main advice would be to pay attention to who is writing each scene, if you find some you like then use the wiki to try and track down other stuff they've done and if you can't stand them then just skip past it, you won't be missing much and the quest log is generally pretty good at keeping you on track.

 

[Lemix]

Thanks for the quick reply guys, i appreciate it, gonna try it out after i'm done with TiTS.
Sucks that its a party based game(i love those, but i'm not a big fun of them in porn games), at the end of the day i can atleast enjoy combat if most of the catgirls wont do it for me, i always enjoyed CoC combat even if its a bit basic.

 

[Christ P Bacon]

Is this game really that bad or people exaggarate a bit?
I was playing CoC 1 for years(never finished the game lol) from time to time and currently play TiTS(pretty fun so far).
I only played like demoness summoning prologue moment years ago and decided to shelf this game until it get more content.
I read some comments on this thread from time to time, but i cant tell if people here super biased or game is garbage.
I personally dislike catgirls and i read here that there plenty of those, any other content there, like can you bang(or get banged) by the starting demoness further in the game?
I know i can probably read a bunch of comments here but the thread is big af, so if someone knowledgeble can list some basic ratio of catgirls/other girls/dudes that you can bang and how much content is there at this point i will be grateful.

the game dev savin always creats npc catgirl with pink hair and slutty personality, you can see it both in coc2 and Tits, the bad thing is. they always force it on reader throat, its like
x: do you want to see this content?
you: no
x: are you sure?
you: yes i am
x: are you absolutely sure?, she will be very sad if you reject her?
you: asafafrgnjsfbskrgnlrs

 

[Lemix]

the game dev savin always creats npc catgirl with pink hair and slutty personality, you can see it both in coc2 and Tits, the bad thing is. they always force it on reader throat, its like
x: do you want to see this content?
you: no
x: are you sure?
you: yes i am
x: are you absolutely sure?, she will be very sad if you reject her?
you: asafafrgnjsfbskrgnlrs

Fair enoght, i played TiTS for like 20 hours atleast and i havent met a single catgirl i dont think, either way there is so many characters there so far i dont think i would care if one of them was a catgirl i would just not talk to her, what i disliked in TiTS so far is jelly girls, but you can just ignore them so its not a big deal.

 

[zwere]

I personally dislike catgirls

like can you bang(or get banged) by the starting demoness further in the game?

Boy, do I have good news for you. To progress the romance with said demoness, there's a point at which you have to help two catgirls build a temple to their cat god.

Jokes aside, how much you end up liking the game will largely depend on whether The Observer's writing bothers you or not. That and how much you expect it to be a *sequel* to CoC1. If you were a fan of TF and corruption content in the original, expect none of it from this entry.