Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[JTakiyaa]

Android loading screen freeze/crash is back. The old uninstall chrome update doesn't fix it anymore. And the dev didn't even implement a fix since the 0.3.34 update. I'll just get a new phone and see which one comes first. The bugfix or the phone. That post about more coders than writers is simply amazing given this bug is present since February when the first report was made. 5 same bug report later LOL.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I struggle to understand why Quint exists; unlike Brint he's exclusively a top, he's not interesting, his character design isn't great and you can't really do much with him that changes things up. Meanwhile Brint is an absolute bro (and can be made into a woman) and Berwyn is much more interestingly written and there's clearly an idea of what they're going to do with him.

Meanwhile Quint is going to get a girlfriend and you can't fuck him because fuck you. Plus rabbit people are kinda overdone in furry porn, at least the character in the foothills is a shredded babe that you can hatefuck and impregnate. Would have much preferred her as a companion.

He supposed to be the median between all the males, he's not as girly as Berwyn, but he's not as hunky as Brint. (If Berwyn's writer didn't quit) He's not as confrontational as Berry, but he's not as chill as Brint. Compared to those other two, he's not hyper (the Brint CG with Atugia really showed me why people hate hyper that just looked silly). Bubblelord refused make Quin a switch though, as Takahiro showcases his masculine male characters don't bottom.
The problem is his personality is a dime a dozen, he's horny, which is everyone, he's flirty, which are Brint and high-con Etheryn, he's confrontational, but dialogue trees don't exist in this game and so are dom-Arona and Berwyn.
Bubbleord was clearly trying to go for a Zevran-like character, but as I said before, your huffing paint if you believe these writers are as good as old bioware. Maybe his expac will improve him and show off the Zevran he was supposed to be, they only have two scenes, but he tries to be charming with Rune.

 

[Kallisto]

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

 

[zwere]

your huffing paint if you believe these writers are as good as old bioware

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

 

[zwere]

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

Willing to bet money on the latter being the case. They seem to love the ''if you don't like this content, you get to excise it from your game but don't expect anything in return'' policy.

 

[Quintilus]

I demand you be interesting or at least use that bubble butt for good.

First of, thats gay.
Second, I dont even know you.
Third, Im not a cheap whore....at least buy me a beer....Faxe black will suit, for beginning.

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

Welcome to the Internet. Make sure you not using twitter and adjust your autism detector. Please, follow me...

 

[Duke Greene]

Comparing Quint to Zevran is pretty acute, Bubblelord was clearly going for the "loveable rogue" archetype with him. And just like with Raphael in orig CoC it's a spectacular failure. Making such a character likeable isn't as easy as it looks.

 

[Quintilus]

Raphael in orig CoC

Zorro like fox mother-lover?!

 

[MogwaiKupo]

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

No nobodies done it to my knowledge, it just that the concept of love triangles came up and somebody brought up the Aerie love triangle

 

[Mr Technician]

You must be registered to see the links

*Aerie: Huh... ?!

 

[Konstantinus]

To do the cult story in the Iceglade do I need first complete the centaurvillage?

 

[Wavering]

To do the cult story in the Iceglade do I need first complete the centaurvillage?

Yeah, to even meet Gweyr in the first place one needs to have completed the "Harboring a Fugitive" (Centaur Village) quest.

 

[Malcowitz]

To be blunt, your tastes appear to be way too "straight male" for this game. I'm not saying this to be disparaging, it's just that these games have always attracted a substantial amount of female, bi and/or gay players so it's absolutely not surprising the devs would remember to cater to them from time to time.

Point taken on Brienne though: the lack of worthwhile TFs has been a point of criticism for a while and it's a legitimate one imo.

I mean, as was pointed out, I have a male waifu and a dickgirl waifu but I get what you mean and it's fine there's a definite increase in gay content as such (before we go into whether there being pornography at all is fine, which is kind of a no, because obviously being able to use Orcish potions to grow your balls creates unrealistic standards of ejaculation for young lads we'll never truly reach in real life)

He's making some pretty big concessions for a straight male. Jokes aside, I think you should tone down the inflammatory language, Malcowitz. If you want to be taken seriously, at least. Nothing wrong with talking shit and ranting but if all you spew is bile it gets a bit redundant.

Ranting is fun but of course I assume everyone is having a laugh in their own way here: I highly doubt Savin is furiously reading this thread to see this asshole criticize their work ethic and levels of professionalism (the latter especially is very poor. They don't seem to understand what kind of game they are doing at times)

I can see why you wouldn't like not being able to transform or do much in total with many of the companions of the game. I can also see why you'd be pissed at characters getting scenes with other characters when you might feel possessive over them, seeing as the game is essentially a harem simulator for a lot of people (me included).

But at the same time, you can just do what most anyone else does and ignore the voyeur content. It's what I do. I don't care at all for any scene that doesn't have the protagonist. Most of the time, the game allows you to reject these scenes. These scenes are for a niché among nichés, but this game is niché to begin with and thus a lot of the patrons probably like them. Can't really do much about that fact.

And meh, who cares about the commissioned art.

But I'd argue that the point of the voyeur content is that it is fundamentally bad for a game where the main pillars are thus:

1) You are able to create an extremely specific and detailed character with a mixture of phenotypes, animal/human characteristics and sexual equipment (everything from furries to yourself only you have 12 inch long nipples)
2) You are able to do change a variety of other NPCs in the same way you yourself do (and sometimes this is by force)
3) Fucking ensues

Voyeurism lies solely on that third, very wobbly and thin leg because it does not involve the player in any real way. Yes, we have to choose these scenes so the player usually has to click them but I don't find this notion that "don't like it don't click it" to be wholly legitimate because it doesn't feed into the core loop of what a porn game should be (and especially so for a game like COC2)

Think of it like this: if Bethesda released a new DLC that would be solely about playing boardgames in a dank cave in a random area of Skyrim, this would be bad because while it is content, it is not really feeding into the core loop of being a yelling murderhobo wanderer, even if it does please some people and arguably add content to the game. Especially if the content has more details and work put into it than other, actually existing parts of the game that need that level of polish.

Okay, so what now, I need cease to exist?!

Ahh wait, Quint is the cultist right? They weren't a woman and didn't have fem content so they were extremely forgettable, especially as I try to run a pure, mindless CRUSH EVERYTHING party

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

Literally no way to get it because why wouldn't you love Savins slut waifu and choose his way??

I would even pay double the gems to get her rent-a-womb to work for me but no way am I feeding into a cult even in a bideogame

 

[PecsDickAss]

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

 

[M0nte]

Voyeurism lies solely on that third, very wobbly and thin leg because it does not involve the player in any real way. Yes, we have to choose these scenes so the player usually has to click them but I don't find this notion that "don't like it don't click it" to be wholly legitimate because it doesn't feed into the core loop of what a porn game should be (and especially so for a game like COC2)

But you can also look at it from this perspective. Since this is a porn game that aims to pander to many people as possible, using "if you do not like it, do not engage with it" should be a valid course of action. Since not everyone will be in all kinds of content. For a game that can include stuff like male content to a hard core gang bang, I do not think anyone here is going to like everything that the game throws at them. So even voyeur content, while being a pretty niche thing, by this games criteria should still exist. Especially if there is an audience for it.

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

The whole TF thing is just people wishing for something because they are not into men or twinks such as Quin. Because, really, if you only TF him, you are still basically stuck with same character. Cait 2.0.

I do not want Quin to exclusive bottom (even If I would love it). I just want to fuck his ass man. I mean, just look at it. His twinkish hole deserves a pounding.
To take him down a little. He is to smug for his own good. Especially from someone that uses magic to cheat in sex.

Also, Berwyn and Brint also have romance paths. Brint even dates you.

Also, I would recommend recently added Elyon and Imad if you are into tops. Elyon especially, since he is sweet.

 

[enumate]

Since this is a porn game that aims to pander to many people as possible, using "if you do not like it, do not engage with it" should be a valid course of action. Since not everyone will be in all kinds of content.

Not arguing, completely agree this is how you'd do it for a game like this, but we have to add this factor. Savin was using primarily unpaid writers (with some taking commissions) instead of finding good smut writers worth their words. I know I sound like a broken record, but if the goal was to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, then we'd have more development with characters like Shar, being able to fuck characters without the writers getting protective over their OC's and more quality content than quantity content before adding more characters.

I think we can all agree some scenes would be just as impactful if they had no slider and up to 3 or so scene advancements compared to the LotR dense manuscripts we see in released content. Most of the content can basically be boiled down to futa, big tits w/o futa, and less developed normal proportioned characters.

Don't get me wrong, I love some more of the buxom characters, but when it doesn't surprise me a female character has a dick or extreme proportions to their body then something within the central idea may have been lost. I think that's why people are enjoying the new Senja content because it feels like what should have been there within the first few months of her character being released.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

You'll be fine, Savin refuses to let you remove Etheryn and Arona's penises or make Cait impregnable, Tobs refuses to let you let anyone else be a surrogate for Kinu, and corrupt hive ending Azzy will never be recruitable, for some reason. These writers are very adamant about the game in general, this is upped to eleven when it involves their characters, they're not going to let a few disgruntled fans dictate the direction of their characters, especially Bubbleord whose one of the more inflexible writers.
Unless Bubbleord leaves the team and cut ties with Savin (alas poor Berwyn), I don't think Quin will ever be bottoming willingly.

 

[CboyC95]

Why isn't there an option to eat out Hretha or trib with her or Infrith?

 

[zwere]

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory.

I really don't get why they only let us push these hybrid characters in one direction. I get saying something like ''we're currently writing so and so to progress in so and so direction. If someone happens to write a different scenario, it'll happen then'' but instead we have ''Etheryn will never NOT have a dick, Berwyn gets a pussy, though. Why is the elf that leans feminine in both body and mind stuck with a dick and the masculine character that was forced to become feminine only pushed further into femininity? There's nothing wrong with those options, as long as they're options and not hard and fast rules.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I really don't get why they only let us push these hybrid characters in one direction. I get saying something like ''we're currently writing so and so to progress in so and so direction. If someone happens to write a different scenario, it'll happen then'' but instead we have ''Etheryn will never NOT have a dick, Berwyn gets a pussy, though. Why is the elf that leans feminine in both body and mind stuck with a dick and the masculine character that was forced to become feminine only pushed further into femininity? There's nothing wrong with those options, as long as they're options and not hard and fast rules.

I read the possible reason on their discord. The jist of it that it's just too much work.In their words, Berwyn's already going to be a pain to write for because everytime they have to write for him they have to account for 5 different body types. Lazy or not, this already means only the most dedicated of dedicate Berry fans are going to submit commissions, now imagine the main story where they have to account for him. I think he's keeping his feminine body regardless of your choice, so that's a load off for the writers.
If you want to know, that's also the reason nudity and unarmed combat aren't a thing. The writers don't want to have to account for the possibility you're already nude in every scene.
That's why other companions aren't getting severe TFs, Brienne's a rare anomaly and Cait's Cait, the writers already accepted they have to include her in everything, what's writing that she's fuzzier going to do.
As for Etheryn, the in-game reasoning is she only wants to lose her penis as a last resort for the cage. They even have a high-corruption only dream to strawman the "selfish" players who want that. Meta reason Savin has two other companions so he felt he had to draw the line somewhere and I guess it was genitalia.