Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Farley56]

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Holy shit, i don't recruit male party members or Cait so i never knew about this. Yikes. She better stay away from Etheryn and Arona.

 

[Fuzzcat]

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That's precisely what happens with CoC2.
The player character is detached of everything/everyone.

It's not about being cuck'd (stupidest idea actually).
The thing is, the PC is practically an spectator, you never feel your actions have real consecuences.
Moreover, with the way-too-common amnesiac-hero-like, you even have less to grasp.
And NPCs don't help. First one to talk is the wolf guy. 5 different options to talk the story of his life, his sons, his adventures and even his damned wimpy sword. In all honesty... who cares?
I just woke up, and barely remember what happened and/or who I am.

So then, we get our first companion. Which apparently is everyone's companion.
Then, when you get more companions... they talk about her at the slightest chance.

In CoC, you were special.
Sure, you could be everyone's ride, but NPCs were made in a way that, despite being fucking around, still cared (for good or bad) about you.
Urta was promiscuous yeah, but also went great lengths to care for you. Same for the Salamander girl. Even villains had an interest, to the point you could "recruit" some. They had their stories, yeah, but they wanted you, and wanted to get involved, one way or another.

In CoC2, you're practically a NPC.
"Hey, wanna join? I could use your Mino muscles"
"I am Mino-guy, son of Mino-dude. I am from the village of Mino-people blablabla. And that catgirl is nice, hot, fucks great blablabla. Oh, you're ok. Here, take this cock. Y'now, the catgirl loves it too blablabla"
This happens with pretty much anyone.

At this point, the game could have a plot twist, have you killed and Catgirl becomes your PC, and it won't change a thing.

 

[MomijiH]

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Oof. I like Brint and Berwyn and typically did the threesome scenes with Cait with the both of them, so I didn't blink too much about that. I didn't know about that dog guy (who is only into girls) being a turbo bitchbreaker, though!

What's wrong with Sugo, though? As I recall, he has options to top.

Holy shit, i don't recruit male party members or Cait so i never knew about this. Yikes. She better stay away from Etheryn and Arona.

I wouldn't be surprised if she's involved with Arona. She mentions being jealous if you let Arona penetrate you after finish her sidequest. I think there was something else she says about Arona, too, at a different point.

 

[balitz Method]

It's funny, I was going to mention that Brint talk scene as an example of how into the PC he is. Since the PC starts as a virgin in most backgrounds it's very possible to lose your virginity to Brint and then hear him praise the sex-priest's skills as being nearly as enjoyable as you. In other words all of her sex-fu still doesn't quite measure up to how much he liked the pure prospect of being with the PC. In fact there are even scenes where Cait comments on how cute the two of you are together (and in the threesome scenes with Brint he's much more affectionate with the PC than he is with Cait; it's crystal clear which of you he actually likes).

If the PC is going to be a mega slut it makes sense that mega sluttery isn't exactly strange in the setting (and especially if basically every adventure is going to involve the gang doing some lewd shenanigans together). Several of the party members go to Cait for relief because a lot of them are monstrously horny (either naturally or because they're corrupted like Berwyn, that poor guy is constantly masturbating because it just won't go down) but there are also lots of blatant girlfriend/boyfriend characters like Artuga and Brint and Kiyoko.

Having actual party dynamics is more interesting than another ego-stroking harem setup but it's p. clear that some people's egos can't handle a scenario where the characters are sexually active and not just your booty calls.

 

[Farley56]

It's funny, I was going to mention that Brint talk scene as an example of how into the PC he is. Since the PC starts as a virgin in most backgrounds it's very possible to lose your virginity to Brint and then hear him praise the sex-priest's skills as being nearly as enjoyable as you.

Or you could literally fuck a million different people and be the most experienced fuck around and Brint would still go on about how awesome Cait's cunny is compared to yours. You would've had a point if the text changes based on experience, but it doesn't.

Having actual party dynamics is more interesting than another ego-stroking harem setup but it's p. clear that some people's egos can't handle a scenario where the characters are sexually active and not just your booty calls.

Please stop saying that your opinions are fact. You don't get to decide what is and isn't "interesting"
Also nice strawman with the whole ego thing.

 

[RaijinStormBlessed]

TL;DR: I dislike Cait and the lack of male companions/NPCs. And yes, these two things are somehow connected.

So.
At first, I was like - Cait is cute, nice, good looking AND she is a healer. Cool, but my eyes were set on the other companion right from the moment I saw him.
So yeah, I wanted to take the bull by the horns ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), but then he said something about Cait and it just came to me as a big surprise since I only started playing.

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So, fine. There was another male I was also very interested in. And he too said something I wasn't expecting about Cait in the most unsuitable moment.

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There are other NPC male options, of course - like a free slutty prostitute who loves bottoming and a guy who (when in a relationship) turns from a silly doggo to a cruel sadistic asshole with many complexes, making my PC an unintelligent-hungry-for-the-master's-cock bitch-slut.
("Oh yes. Bitch-slut loves being bred. Bitch-slut also loves being roughed. But being bred roughly, that's what bitch-slut loves most of all."(c) PC)
What's wrong with males in this game?!

I do understand that there should be something interesting when companions talk about each other, like fucking someone we both know. *rolling eyes*
Also, I have nothing against females, catgirls, pink hair, big boobs and staff (actually, quite the opposite). I don't care if she sleeps around since I myself do have a polygamous relationship with everything that moves (in-game). Still... there is something that rubs me the wrong way about her.

So yeah... there are only 2 male companions. And both of them have slept with Cait. And, in all seriousness, if what Brint said about Cait didn't influence my interest in him, then Berwyn mentioning Cait during a sex scene seriously spoiled the fun for me.
Of course, I still romanced both of them in the end, but that left me with a bad aftertaste.

Cait has a lot of content and surely will have much more, especially if when the quest with her sister will be released in a year... or two... or three..., so I should try to get accustomed to her, but that wouldn't be easy since I'm a possessive bitch.

That was my point in asking my question. I never roll a female in these types of games, and so you gave me an entirely different perspective on the matter. After hearing that I can only agree more that she has way too much spotlight. I'm making a new save now, but I won't be recruiting her this time.

 

[Seiren]

I like Brint and Berwyn and typically did the threesome scenes with Cait with the both of them

I like Brint and Berwyn too. And I would be fine with anyone taking Cait's place in their threesome scenes as long as it's not Cait herself, be it any random male, female or futanari. I know I'm being petty here, but I can't help myself since I don't like her. Though, I still want to forget the scenes with Berwin where he fantasies about Cait out loud while humping on my PC.

What's wrong with Sugo, though? As I recall, he has options to top.

I guess I was bitching so much over Cait that I haven't properly explained my point about the aforementioned male.
I don't care if Sugo is the one topping or bottoming, it's only that his... profession and his will to be filled as often as possible doesn't really make me think of him as more than of a fuck buddy (I think I formulated it wrongly, but not sure where exactly is the mistake in the sentence).
I just want to have at least one more or less faithful male character with long scenes, both sexual and not, but without many kinks. And with Sugo... I feel that if he had more scenes, they would possibly include either cuckolding or NTR. And I'm not a fan of those...

*facepalming*
I know I'm bad at explaining things, but I guess I just want to see an interesting romanceable male NPC (Yes, there is Brint, but he is kinda bland and feels more like a sex-buddy? Of course, it's a matter of taste, I understand).
It saddens me that the most number of scenes I have seen so far on one NPC were including the fluffy bitch breaker (and boi let me tell you how much I started to dislike him after reading through all his scenes. I knew I needed to stop halfway through, but I just had to read it to the end, hoping for a good ending... complete idiot detected)... Only myself to blame here...

it's very possible to lose your virginity to Brint and then hear him praise the sex-priest's skills as being nearly as enjoyable as you

...should I flip out and piss myself from happiness that he loudly compares who fucks better - my PC or the NPC I strongly dislike? And when he says that I'm a better fuck, should I be forever grateful then? Like, "Yaaaaay, he took my virginity and then said I'm a better cocksleeve for his stretching fantasies than Cait! Now I can die happy!"

Several of the party members go to Cait for relief because a lot of them are monstrously horny (either naturally or because they're corrupted like Berwyn, that poor guy is constantly masturbating because it just won't go down)

I'm glad for them. There are also monsters roaming around, desperate to be effed, and hands to help get off, you know.
About Berwyn - there is an option in his dialogues, called "Cait?", where you tell Berwyn that there is this one altruistic philanthropist who would be "more than happy to help him with that... big problem he has, especially now that he's aiding you in your cause."(c). And I didn't choose this option.

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My point is that I don't want to see Cait being mentioned during sex with male characters, nor do I want my PC to be compared with her or to be a replacement for her.

more interesting than another ego-stroking harem setup but it's p. clear that some people's egos can't handle a scenario where the characters are sexually active and not just your booty calls.

Yeah, totally. It's 100% my ego when I want Cait not to fuck with 2 only in-game male companions, or at least for them not to mention it. Ah, how egoistic can I be?

PS I didn't know that being "sexually active" includes Berwyn calling my NPC "Cait". Thanks for the eye-opener.

 

[balitz Method]

Or you could literally fuck a million different people and be the most experienced fuck around and Brint would still go on about how awesome Cait's cunny is compared to yours. You would've had a point if the text changes based on experience, but it doesn't.

The point is that no matter how amazing her much-vaunted blowjobs are Brint likes your PC better even if you have zero experience. When she blows him he says "wow, you're good at that". When the PC blows him under the table in the inn he says "if you keep doing that I'll just have to marry you".

The difference is feelings. He's a young guy looking to get it as much as he can, he's going to talk about the good lays in town if you ask about them, but there's only one person he's making googly-eyes at. If you can't see that through your jealousy then you're missing out.

though Berwyn does seem enamored with her, yeah. The game is certainly designed so that the characters are doing their own things and aren't just your inexplicable harem that develop as you fuck them and have no lives outside of your poon. That's something both CoC and TiTS ended up doing, and there's some of that here, but clearly the writers wanted this cast to be more dynamic if they're going to be tagging along with you rather than confined to your bedchambers like in those games.

 

[Farley56]

The point is that no matter how amazing her much-vaunted blowjobs are Brint likes your PC better even if you have zero experience. When she blows him he says "wow, you're good at that". When the PC blows him under the table in the inn he says "if you keep doing that I'll just have to marry you".

We really don't know what Brint is saying to Cait all of the time's they've fucked. He might've said something similar to her.

The difference is feelings. He's a young guy looking to get it as much as he can, he's going to talk about the good lays in town if you ask about them

All Seiren did was ask Brint how he feels about Cait in general, and of course Brint immediately goes on about how awesome of a fuck Cait is, and if the PC has fucked her too. Don't know where you're getting the "he's going to talk about the good lays in town if you ask about them" from when we never did ask him about that.

If you can't see that through your jealousy then you're missing out.

Yes Balitz, i'm super jealous of a fictional character. I'm literally shaking and crying while typing this, wondering which bedicked companion Cait is going to rail behind my back next.
First it was fragile masculinity, then it was egoism, now it's apparently jealousy.

though Berwyn does seem enamored with her, yeah. The game is certainly designed so that the characters are doing their own things and aren't just your inexplicable harem that develop as you fuck them and have no lives outside of your poon. That's something both CoC and TiTS ended up doing, and there's some of that here, but clearly the writers wanted this cast to be more dynamic if they're going to be tagging along with you rather than confined to your bedchambers like in those games.

Yeah, and this really fucking sucks for people who aren't into the whole "everyone fucking everyone" thing. Some people would like to have a companion or two that you could actually forge a monogamous relationship with. Or maybe they are fine with their fuckbuddies banging others, but are a little off put that all the "other" people they manage to bang end up being your other companions.

Personally, i'm just sick and tired of Cait being everywhere and it being impossible for the PC to ignore her. My character gives birth? Cait shows up for no goddamn reason. One of my companions is getting horny? The game literally suggests that perhaps they should let Cait fuck them. Wanna ask your companion about their general opinion about Cait? "DAMN DUDE WHAT A GOOD FUCK, HUH!?" Of course, Cait also has a threesome scene with most of your companions because she just NEEDS to be involved in everything you do.

Savin plz chill with the Cait stuff.

 

[Fuzzcat]

she just NEEDS to be involved in everything you do.

Savin plz chill with the Cait stuff.

I think she's meant as an alternative.
There are players that get pissed off even the slightest mention of their PC's butt being looked. Plenty of others that go with the stupid "that's gay, stop". Others complain of "I want my PC keep virgin and pristine".
So, Cait is an alternative for players that don't want to get fucked or fuck themselves, and still keep playing.
She is, "coincidentally", a healer-mage, which makes her an all-around useful character.

Unfortunately, that means Cait needs to be on almost every ocassion the PC gets "in troubles". "wait, instead of me, you have that catgirl there".
For example, if you're playing a macho-straight-hero, you don't want to know anything about the minoguy, except for combat purposes. So he comenting how well the catgirl fucks, is of no consecuence, your ass isn't on the line (literally).
Your ever-horny-centaur companion is horny? There, use the fluffy onahole, everyone does.

So Cait needs to be available, on every sense.
This also means she won't be that popular, as people precisely don't care much about a walking onahole. (also, I think this is also why she's just a common catgirl, there's nothing really memorable of her *shrug*)

 

[Fuzzcat]

Aside of Cait, the whole game feels... detached.

And that's all on Savin.

The scenes he writes, feel like two porn actors just doing their job.
There's a lot of description, sure, but there's little... intimacy, to say so.
90% of the time is about how you suck cock, to have it lubed for your ass, your fuck-buddy then lubes your assby spitting or smearing pre-cum, then there's a cold description of the fuck itself on how you reach climax, and feel your partener reaching too. And after that, a pat and goodbye. Most likely, there's also a wink in there, from you, your partner, your ass or a cock.
You're getting reammed by a 2 foot horse dick, your partner says "hey, you take it really well" and you take your time to turn around, say "thanks" politely and wink. Bah!

I just played a bit to check the newer stuff (last time I played there were only Harpies and a trap centauror something like that).

So, I found a futa orc with her gang.
Right from the go, they start fondling each other, talking between them, and oggling your partners. You're practically invisible.
I surrendered (cos I read the wiki, and wanted to see the bad end, which was a quick way to have some smut without doing aaaal her quest), and basically she ignores you. There's a description on how they "use" you, with the inevitable mention of how the futa orc goes for Cait instead.
Of the 4 times I surrendered, she only fucked me 1. And still had mentioned how the other were used too. A quick fuck, lots of promises of what she'll do, but then nothing happens.

Finally the bad end... and again, you're just fodder.
Lots of explanation about this that, and oh, yeah, you, you get fucked.
Then more explanation, story, futa does this and that.Whoops sorry, you. Yeah you get fuckid, yeah.
And then, again, you get told how futa gets 3 catgirl bitches, and she does this and that, they act like this, get pregnant, think about their babies blabla. Oh yeah right, it's your bad end! well, yeah, you got fucked.

Everything is like this in CoC2.
You're just there, practically just another NPC, that sometimes gets noticed.

Now, if you read the wolf-trap mage's sex scene, that's completely different.
Even without having real attachment to your character, it actually feels like a horny fuck.
Of course, it's written by HugsAlright, which is pretty good at doggy stuff (tho I note a lot of editing. Way too many [insert_penis_vagina_description], and that I'm pretty sure it's Savin too).

 

[balitz Method]

All Seiren did was ask Brint how he feels about Cait in general, and of course Brint immediately goes on about how awesome of a fuck Cait is, and if the PC has fucked her too. Don't know where you're getting the "he's going to talk about the good lays in town if you ask about them" from when we never did ask him about that.

Most of Cait's activities revolve around socializing and fucking. If you ask a guy what they think about someone like that they're most certainly going to say "she's hot and a good lay". What else is there for him to say about her? He's not going to be discussing magic with her, that's for sure.

Cait also just goes on about how hot he is. There's nothing but raw carnality between them. Getting jealous when Berwyn is fantasizing about her is one thing, I haven't seen that one personally but it does come off like Berwyn is being an inconsiderate jerk in that scene (and he's a bit of a cocky little punk as a character, too), but Brint expresses interest in a relationship with the PC once they really start to connect. Getting mad at her for being a hussy in that instance is just being petty.

Yeah, and this really fucking sucks for people who aren't into the whole "everyone fucking everyone" thing. Some people would like to have a companion or two that you could actually forge a monogamous relationship with. Or maybe they are fine with their fuckbuddies banging others, but are a little off put that all the "other" people they manage to bang end up being your other companions.

Personally, i'm just sick and tired of Cait being everywhere and it being impossible for the PC to ignore her. My character gives birth? Cait shows up for no goddamn reason. One of my companions is getting horny? The game literally suggests that perhaps they should let Cait fuck them. Wanna ask your companion about their general opinion about Cait? "DAMN DUDE WHAT A GOOD FUCK, HUH!?"

There are several characters that are exclusive with the PC and Cait shows up in those scenarios because midwifing and being a comfort girl are the two things her religion trained her for.

Not that I don't get some of the ire even if it's silly. I think we've all played a game where one of the main characters is -really- unlikeable to you and you'd rather they not get too much screentime but they end up being everywhere (or worse, the main love interest).

 

[balitz Method]

Unfortunately, that means Cait needs to be on almost every ocassion the PC gets "in troubles". "wait, instead of me, you have that catgirl there".
For example, if you're playing a macho-straight-hero, you don't want to know anything about the minoguy, except for combat purposes. So he comenting how well the catgirl fucks, is of no consecuence, your ass isn't on the line (literally).
Your ever-horny-centaur companion is horny? There, use the fluffy onahole, everyone does.

Yeah, that's the comfort girl angle. If you want to have Etherryn and Berwyn along but don't want to fuck them Cait can handle all that for you. Or in the Arona quest if you don't want to fuck her to progress it Brint will do it for you.

It gives her hussiness a practical use in not outright forcing you to engage with a character's sexual content.

 

[Farley56]

What else is there for him to say about her?

Literally anything alse about her? How does he feel about her religion? Have they been talking about her sister? What does Brint think of her personality? Hobbies? First impressions? There were a million things he could be saying about her, but all we got was "she fug gud, u fug her too?" Yeah, what an "interesting dymanic" alright. Really learned alot from that.

Getting jealous when Berwyn is fantasizing about her is one thing

Who's Jealous?

Brint expresses interest in a relationship with the PC once they really start to connect

Irrelevant. No one is talking about how Brint feels about the PC, but rather how Cait always needs to be interjected into alot of the PCs relationships with the other companions. Especially the male ones.

Getting mad at her for being a hussy in that instance is just being petty.

Oh boy, now we're also mad and petty for disliking Cait.

There are several characters that are exclusive with the PC

And all of the have very little content. It really seems like anyone who doesn't interact with Cait, aside from Kiyoko, has very little content at all. But maybe that'll change later.

Cait shows up in those scenarios because midwifing and being a comfort girl are the two things her religion trained her for.

Well Cait can kindly fuck off, i didn't invite her.

 

[balitz Method]

Wanting her to fuck off because she's a hussy is the definition of being mad and petty.

Some people don't like her because she won't be exclusive and that makes them feel like she's cucking them and others don't like her for being the slut "stealing" guys from them but it still comes down to the same things. The only instance of it actually working out that way is the Berwyn scene and his content isn't done. That sounds to me like a melodramtic dun-dun-dun to leave off at.

 

[Farley56]

Wanting her to fuck off because she's a hussy is the definition of being mad and petty.

It's like you don't even read my damn posts. I feel like i'm talking to some generic npc who only has the same 1 or 2 lines to give, over and over.

 

[Fuzzcat]

It's like you don't even read my damn posts. I feel like i'm talking to some generic npc who only has the same 1 or 2 lines to give, over and over.

Jeez! Dude, calm down! XD

Almost everyone agrees that there's too much Cait, awright.
Read above, you'll see why.

It's not because she's a fan favourite (definitely not lol!), it's simply because she's useful.
Most common complain about Fenoxo games (CoC, TiTs) is the overabundance of futa, and how often the PC gets fucked. That's why Fenoxo had to start adding "options" and warnings all over.

There are two big main types of players (of Fenoxo's games):
one is the type of uber-macho that wants a harem of waifus, and can't stand or tolerate anything else with a cock. Only they can fuck around apparently, and their main concern is that they want to add every single character to their harem, but they don't want cocks in the way. These are among the most rabid and sour players (I suspect they're also the same fandom that pops up and complains at Lilith's Throne), the type that gets pissed off why on a submissive-premise game there are no domming options (like Tales of Androgyny), and will scream "that's gay" or "cuck'd!".

The other type is more subdued, and usually gets fine with almost any content, as long there's new stuff. Overall, they don't care much about cocks in girls since it just means more options, but they care more about having more complex characters, usually playing with females or futa-dickgirls themselves. These make also a lot of the Patreon's income usually.

The first type of player, is also very vocal and, if not a Patreon himself, feels entitled to demand content. It's annoying, doesn't adds anything to the game, but they're still fans, and will spread their opinions everywhere.

That's why Cait is there.
The first type of players prefer full females, but they hate her being promiscuous. Funny thing is, she needs to be like that, to take place in certain situations and save the player's precious ass.

Now, judging by mino-guy genderbend option, maybe at some point there's going to be also options for Cait. Turning into a trap, or a futa, or something like that.
For now, the game is relatively simple. Males, females and traps. The first two appeal to rabid players, the last ones are mostly for Patreons and/or sub players.

 

[Biostar]

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Savin is very touchy when it comes to his characters.

 

[Seiren]

It's like you don't even read my damn posts. I feel like i'm talking to some generic npc who only has the same 1 or 2 lines to give, over and over.

You know what? I love you, my dude/dudette/non-binary friend.
I wanted to ask Blitz if they were reading our posts or skipping through some words only to purposefully misinterpret them, but you did it instead.

Almost everyone agrees that there's too much Cait, awright.
Read above, you'll see why.

Farley56 understands that, but the problem is in balitz Method who keeps twisting our words.
But mkay, I'll treat Balitz as a troll from now on to not spam here.

Most common complain about Fenoxo games (CoC, TiTs) is the overabundance of futa, and how often the PC gets fucked.

Too bad... Because I like CoC and TiTs... and futas... and how often PC gets fucked... *desperate sigh*

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Savin is very touchy when it comes to his characters.

All I know is that, for better or worse, Savin won't be adding Cait's pregnancy... But surely sooner or later something else would be added - threesome scenes with Cait and other companions, Cait and her sister, Cait in dreams, Cait conquering the world, etc.

 

[Fuzzcat]

I wanted to ask Blitz if they were reading our posts or skipping through some words only to purposefully misinterpret them, but you did it instead.

Farley56 understands that, but the problem is in balitz Method who keeps twisting our words.
But mkay, I'll treat Balitz as a troll from now on to not spam here.

Hum, I don't see Balitz as a troll, or even twisting your words.
he's "repeating the same lines" because he has a point (actually, several).
But I don't see him trolling anyone, since, again, we're all more or less on the same too-much-Cait wagon, with different perspectives or motives but more or less agreeing.

The difference it's that he's more... neutral about her.
I think more or less the same.
Is there too-much-Cait? Yep. But there's a reason.

Too bad... Because I like CoC and TiTs... and futas... and how often PC gets fucked... *desperate sigh*

Don't tell me.
What I like about Fen's games is precisely the options.
Most players just see cocks everywhere (wich puts into evidence their own insecurities lol), I see options.
Personally, I don't suffer any type of insecurities, so my fantasies are not having an harem of women *shrug*
If I had to theorize, I'd say that players tend to choose in-game the inverse of the real life.

But yeah, for me, CoC and TiTs are waaay better than CoC2 in regards of sex.
I play TiTs with a constant hard-on, while CoC2 barely amuses me, and so far I have no real interest on any character. If anything, CoC2 feels more polished and well developed in technical aspects (like UI, skills etc... tho teh point that combat it's overly and pointlessly complicated)

I know is that, for better or worse, Savin won't be adding Cait's pregnancy... But surely sooner or later something else would be added - threesome scenes with Cait and other companions, Cait and her sister, Cait in dreams, Cait conquering the world, etc.

I think he doesn't adds pregnancy, because it's -apparently- too hard to code. Something like that.
Also because, most likely at some point, people will ask for incest too.
And I guess that's why CoC2 feels sort of empty, or simplier. Doesn't seems like they're really involved with it.
(funny thing, Innoxia with her Lilith's Throne pulled pretty much anything they can't -or claim to be complicated- on her very early game builds)