Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Archaon11111]

Might get some flak for this but anyone else think Einen would be better off as an NPC rather than a companion? I do not like the companion system at all especially how the whole thing depends on the writer actually supporting the character with content later in the game which Atugia, Azzy, and Berwyn (previously) have shown without that support its completely bare bones.

Lmao, calm your hate boner down for a second there and actually look at William's posts. At no point has he ever said he was even close to finished with her.

The only thing I heard is that he completed all her regular and companion interactions but not the sex scenes with the player.

 

[Mandoto]

Might get some flak for this but anyone else think Einen would be better off as an NPC rather than a companion? I do not like the companion system at all especially how the whole thing depends on the writer actually supporting the character with content later in the game which Atugia, Azzy, and Berwyn (previously) have shown without that support its completely bare bones.

Now that you mention it, she probably would be better off as an NPC. As nice as it would be to have her around all the time, and all that would entail (camp scenes, etc.) I think if the general idea around her is kept, she would function just as well as a really detailed and content dense NPC.

 

[A.HK]

Somebody already explained why there even is some deadline for a companions?
Einen genuinely sounded like she can be the best one yet.

 

[Decent-Win]

Lmao, calm your hate boner down for a second there and actually look at William's posts. At no point has he ever said he was even close to finished with her.

I don't hate Savin but some of the shit he does makes it hard no to.
he started writing her almost three years ago.

The secret project he's talking about is Einin and she was finished this is from August of last year.


And Savin didn't like what he read and William had to rewrite it these are also from last year.

And considering that this is from March this year he more then likely did finish her only to be reject again, I would not be surprised if Savin did this whole deadline BS just so she doesn't get in the game as a companion.

 

[A.HK]

I was pretty skeptical until i saw this. Sounds like Savin alright.

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

It's also just incredibly dumb to include an actual rape scene in a patreon game, only takes one pissed off schizo to write up a full on report to get the whole account in trouble. No idea how savin didn't catch that scene, they're usually pretty careful to make sure loss scenes are written like weird forced consensual sex scenes instead of actual noncon stuff.

And agreed, combat in almost every smut game is absolutely ass. There's a few who do it okay, like last sovereign (price for freedom is also putting an insane amount of effort into theirs), but generally it just feels like annoying, poorly thought through padding.

I'll go with the easy answer and assume that Savin thought it was fine. But the threat is real, I ain't gonna lie. SweGabe's Patreon is up whereas Ravager account faced significant penalties. All it takes is a bunch of cunts that have a grudge against you.

TLS fight mechanics can't really go wrong as SL decided to make them matter: some fights are cheese incarnates, but it does the job. Didn't get on the hook with Price of Freedom, I loved the mechanics they want to implement but my playthrough was so buggy I scrapped the game altogether.

A great plot can save messy game mechanics, but with COC2, can't forgive it as they don't fit with the theme of the game. I can get behind Darkest Dungeons grinding, the RNG aspect / resource management caught my interest, but the mindless click & repeat of COC2 is a no-no.

 

[actualrealname]

I'll go with the easy answer and assume that Savin thought it was fine. But the threat is real, I ain't gonna lie. SweGabe's Patreon is up whereas Ravager account faced significant penalties. All it takes is a bunch of cunts that have a grudge against you.

Yeah exactly how I feel, it's just a dumb risky thing to add for no real benefit. Game would honestly be better without it even. Though to be fair ravager is still around, they're not exactly struggling seeing as they just brought new people on lol

TLS fight mechanics can't really go wrong as SL decided to make them matter: some fights are cheese incarnates, but it does the job. Didn't get on the hook with Price of Freedom, I loved the mechanics they want to implement but my playthrough was so buggy I scrapped the game altogether.

Ya TLS not having annoying random encounters and respawning stuff helps an insane amount, though I think boss design is comparable. Coc2 bosses are so boring in comparison, as are companions. TLS differences between companions is super intuitive and it's usually pretty obvious who you might want to bring to a fight (lust on the things that literally do not feel lust at all is a bad call, for example).

And yeah price for freedom was/is jank as fuck, they even included a straight up skip combat button, I'm just giving credit for them being basically the only dev I'm aware of making an actual CRPG style system in a porn game. It being jank as hell early on is acceptable when it's so obviously a work in progress they're putting a bunch of effort into (and when the art is so good).

Honestly a lot of these games would benefit a lot from fucking off random encounters. They just add nothing, assuming there's a competent gallery.

 

[Raf-Raf]

What's TLS? A game?

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

What's TLS? A game?

The Last Sovereign, by Sierra Lee. You can find it here.

 

[Raf-Raf]

The Last Sovereign, by Sierra Lee. You can find it here.

Oh, the rpgm one.

 

[Daken9]

I don't hate Savin but some of the shit he does makes it hard no to.
View attachment 1482385 he started writing her almost three years ago.
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The secret project he's talking about is Einin and she was finished this is from August of last year.
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And Savin didn't like what he read and William had to rewrite it these are also from last year.
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And considering that this is from March this year he more then likely did finish her only to be reject again, I would not be surprised if Savin did this whole deadline BS just so she doesn't get in the game as a companion.

Somewhat hilarious that the same guy who greenlit the weeabo village, the grooming temple, the straight rape scene, that word diarrhea with mama wolf, and so and so forth would forbid anything.

I mean, either he really likes tobs, we're off the mark, or that stuff didn't have enough cuck shit and my guy didn't want another Brienne (the horror, right).

 

[Discard668]

anyone got a save for male Brint @ Khor'minos before the family dating quest?

 

[Venyas]

Yeah exactly how I feel, it's just a dumb risky thing to add for no real benefit. Game would honestly be better without it even. Though to be fair ravager is still around, they're not exactly struggling seeing as they just brought new people on lol


Ya TLS not having annoying random encounters and respawning stuff helps an insane amount, though I think boss design is comparable. Coc2 bosses are so boring in comparison, as are companions. TLS differences between companions is super intuitive and it's usually pretty obvious who you might want to bring to a fight (lust on the things that literally do not feel lust at all is a bad call, for example).

And yeah price for freedom was/is jank as fuck, they even included a straight up skip combat button, I'm just giving credit for them being basically the only dev I'm aware of making an actual CRPG style system in a porn game. It being jank as hell early on is acceptable when it's so obviously a work in progress they're putting a bunch of effort into (and when the art is so good).

Honestly a lot of these games would benefit a lot from fucking off random encounters. They just add nothing, assuming there's a competent gallery.

Talking about good combat in an RPGM, Blacksouls (II) is top notch once you get the hang of it. At least in my book.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I don't hate Savin but some of the shit he does makes it hard no to.
View attachment 1482385 he started writing her almost three years ago.
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The secret project he's talking about is Einin and she was finished this is from August of last year.
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And Savin didn't like what he read and William had to rewrite it these are also from last year.
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And considering that this is from March this year he more then likely did finish her only to be reject again, I would not be surprised if Savin did this whole deadline BS just so she doesn't get in the game as a companion.

Savin is an ass, and I think these companion deadlines are dumb but William sounds like he had all the time in the world to make this happen.

It just seems like another case of Fen-writing-team-itis.

 

[CratorH8er]

The secret project he's talking about is Einin and she was finished this is from August of last year.
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That's... that's not what that says. He said her "pre-companion stuff" is finished. That's not the entire character, that likely only involves her introduction and recruitment. By his own admission here the actual companion scenes were not done.

And Savin didn't like what he read and William had to rewrite it these are also from last year.
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And considering that this is from March this year he more then likely did finish her only to be reject again, I would not be surprised if Savin did this whole deadline BS just so she doesn't get in the game as a companion.

That is, again, not at all what that said. He literally just posted that Savin was done reviewing her and that it was now up to him to finish the project. Nowhere in those posts does it say she was rejected and had to be re-written, where are you even getting that from?

Here's a post where he literally says there's still much work to be done on Einen as of September:

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[enumate]

You actually think DCL's art is better than Moira's? Even DCL doesn't like the old art he put in the game.

Yes.

 

[Decent-Win]

That's... that's not what that says. He said her "pre-companion stuff" is finished. That's not the entire character, that likely only involves her introduction and recruitment. By his own admission here the actual companion scenes were not done.

He literally says that he wrote hundreds of pages worth of content for Einin if all of that was pre companion then Einin is the biggest project that has ever been written in the game. FFS some companies don't even have a hundred pages worth of content.

That is, again, not at all what that said. He literally just posted that Savin was done reviewing her and that it was now up to him to finish the project. Nowhere in those posts does it say she was rejected and had to be re-written, where are you even getting that from?

Here's a post where he literally says there's still much work to be done on Einen as of September:

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How can a character go from being close to finished one year only to become nowhere near finished a year later the only explanation is that William had to rewrite most of what he wrote because Savin rejected it.

 

[CratorH8er]

He literally says that he wrote hundreds of pages worth of content for Einin if all of that was pre companion then Einin is the biggest project that has ever been written in the game. FFS some companies don't even have a hundred pages worth of content.

Probably. We don't know what those "hundreds of pages" entailed, or if he was even exaggerating. We wont know until William pipes up again and says what went wrong.

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How can a character go from being close to finished one year only to become nowhere near finished a year later the only explanation is that William had to rewrite most of what he wrote because Savin rejected it.

I mean, no? Any number of things could've happened to set back his progress on Einen. Maybe he wasn't satisfied with his work and wanted to make changes himself, maybe scope creep happened, maybe he lost progress somehow and had to re-write parts of the document.

If you're sure sure Savin is the cause, why don't you go to the forums or discord and ask William directly?

 

[jfmherokiller]

for anyone frustrated with how low the stack limit is it's possible to change that by searching for ".stackLimit = 9" and replacing it with ".stackLimit = 99". The limit is located in the "main.<some hash or number here>.js" file. This must be done in the mainjs file because setting it at runtime doesn't stick in the save files.

 

[Decent-Win]

I mean, no? Any number of things could've happened to set back his progress on Einen. Maybe he wasn't satisfied with his work and wanted to make changes himself, maybe scope creep happened, maybe he lost progress somehow and had to re-write parts of the document.

If it was any of those things William would have said something about it he isn't shy about taking responsibility when it's his own failing.

Plus Savin was clearly dragging his feet when it came to communicating with William on what neded to be changed or rewritten.

If you're sure sure Savin is the cause, why don't you go to the forums or discord and ask William directly?

Even if I do that do you really believe he's going to speak against Savin because if he dose he will just become Hugs 2.0.