sugouxxx

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One of the biggest pieces of wasted potential in this game is the fact that companions don't feel like companions. Hell, I feel closer to most of the shipmates in TiTS than I do the companions in this game. There are a lot of things that contribute to this feeling, but the biggest two are the characters lacking any sort of nuance and the fact that they have pretty much no content outside of the tavern besides some shitty flavor text for quests.

None of these characters have any internal or external struggle and it makes them incredibly boring. The only two that do were Berwyn and Cait. Berwyn's not even a companion anymore and it's hard to tell if Cait even fucking remembers about her sister half the time considering it seems like she cares more about spreading her legs and building some useless fucking temple. These characters don't struggle with anything. Sour relationships hardly exist and if they do, they're downplayed to the point of being an interesting piece of trivia. Literally all of them are along just for the ride, NONE of them are personally invested in the conflict besides Cait.

This might've been somewhat excusable if we actually got meaningful conversations or bonding time with companions, but those scenes are few and far between. And since those scenes are so rare, I have a hard time caring about them when they do come along. Like Arona saying she loves us in the bathhouse could've been nice, but there's absolutely 0 build-up to it so I just straight up don't believe it. Same thing goes for every other companion barring maybe Ryn.

This game had the potential to be so much more heart-felt and unique among Fenoxo games but they just pissed it away in favor of mindless shlock. It's genuinely heart-breaking to see.
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Comiies

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I've been playing since around the 0-3-xx versions
The only characters i've actually come to fucking enjoy are Cait and Kiyoko and the kitsune.
This is a game where almost none of your actions aside from killing characters have any fucking consequences.
I love the stories you can have in this game, I do genuinely have fun playing it, i've done around 6 fucking playthroughs now probably more when drunk or not really paying attention.
I wish that more stuff was like the Fox Den questline that leads to marriage and or selling your soul to bind yourself to a god in exchange for new content / altered content and buffs/skills.
If only they took the example of the Kitsune's and applied it to the rest of the game, this would be a much more fullfilling game.


Overall it's pretty good.
But if you don't marry Kiyoko and do her whole questline you miss out on some of the only truly great content here.
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zwere

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The only characters i've actually come to fucking enjoy are Cait and Kiyoko and the kitsune.

I wish that more stuff was like the Fox Den questline that leads to marriage and or selling your soul to bind yourself to a god in exchange for new content / altered content and buffs/skills.
If only they took the example of the Kitsune's and applied it to the rest of the game, this would be a much more fullfilling game.

Overall it's pretty good.
But if you don't marry Kiyoko and do her whole questline you miss out on some of the only truly great content here.
That's a rather unpopular opinion to have around these parts. Most people here, including me, dislike The Observer and his writing more than any other writer, barring Bubbles but he's kinda like a discount Tobs so it tracks. I've avoided interacting with most foxes as much as possible on my later playthroughs because I find a good deal of them okay at best, insufferable at worst.

Which is a shame, because I liked Kiyoko's initial inception enough to ignore the desperate attempts of inserting copious amounts of weebery in her scenes, but now she's saddled with so much baggage that it's just not worth it. A lot of the content surrounding the foxes, in general, seems like a very heavy handed attempt at adding serious depth to the whole colony but it just ends up falling flat because all of the "social commentary" is in the foreground and beating the reader over the head, instead of being more subtle. The very tired weebery, headpat ceremonies UwU, also detracts from it all.

On a more positive note, I've started my first playthrough in a while since I feel like there's enough Khor'minos content to justify another go. I'm still slowly plugging away and haven't explore KM proper, but I've gone through the Undermountain area, decided to kill off Sandre and Caera and wanted to give Fleep props for writing the most interesting execution scene so far I've read. It gave me the biggest feeling of remorse out of the lot, but it was also really cool how the scene plays out if you go for it. Really nice. (y)
 

MoneyMan181

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Let's see...
Syri - Have to actually bond and get closer to her, do a quest for her, and get her panties before you're able to get her as crew
Kiro - See above
Paige - Plenty of bonding and intimacy before she becomes a crew member, you need to quite literally invest half a million credits in her, and when she does join she feels like a valuable member.
Bess - Has an entire arc about becoming sapient and what it means to be human and a good romance done over a long period of time.
Shekka - Need to interact with her, finish the planet she's on, and do a time consuming quest before she joins. Has fun interaction with another crewmate.
Sera - Is a fully fleshed out character with aspirations, flaws, and interests even before becoming crew. In-depth training for her to enjoy being a sub while on the ship.

Compare that to CoC2 companions:
Cait - You instantly get her at the start and the devs have not done anything interesting with her. Just a bubbly pink cat whore that gets mad at cultists and demons(but doesn't really care if you're fucking the demon queen)
Atugia - Has potential but is a complete nothingburger atm.
Brint - A generic hunk nothingburger.
Brienne - Cute character with lovey-dovey scenes, though completely uninteresting past that. Could be interesting with doubting her feelings for MC with the whole armor thing, but Wsan is never doing that.
Azy - Goes nowhere and has no depth.
Arona - Half-assed romance, completely boring character.
Agni - Who?
Vivianne - Who?
Quint -
 

NODOGAN

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Let's see...
Syri - Have to actually bond and get closer to her, do a quest for her, and get her panties before you're able to get her as crew
Kiro - See above
Paige - Plenty of bonding and intimacy before she becomes a crew member, you need to quite literally invest half a million credits in her, and when she does join she feels like a valuable member.
Bess - Has an entire arc about becoming sapient and what it means to be human and a good romance done over a long period of time.
Shekka - Need to interact with her, finish the planet she's on, and do a time consuming quest before she joins. Has fun interaction with another crewmate.
Sera - Is a fully fleshed out character with aspirations, flaws, and interests even before becoming crew. In-depth training for her to enjoy being a sub while on the ship.

Compare that to CoC2 companions:
Cait - You instantly get her at the start and the devs have not done anything interesting with her. Just a bubbly pink cat whore that gets mad at cultists and demons(but doesn't really care if you're fucking the demon queen)
Atugia - Has potential but is a complete nothingburger atm.
Brint - A generic hunk nothingburger.
Brienne - Cute character with lovey-dovey scenes, though completely uninteresting past that. Could be interesting with doubting her feelings for MC with the whole armor thing, but Wsan is never doing that.
Azy - Goes nowhere and has no depth.
Arona - Half-assed romance, completely boring character.
Agni - Who?
Vivianne - Who?
Quint -
Awww, I wanted to hear you dissing on Ryn...
 

Skandranon

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Let's see...
Syri - Have to actually bond and get closer to her, do a quest for her, and get her panties before you're able to get her as crew
Kiro - See above
Paige - Plenty of bonding and intimacy before she becomes a crew member, you need to quite literally invest half a million credits in her, and when she does join she feels like a valuable member.
Bess - Has an entire arc about becoming sapient and what it means to be human and a good romance done over a long period of time.
Shekka - Need to interact with her, finish the planet she's on, and do a time consuming quest before she joins. Has fun interaction with another crewmate.
Sera - Is a fully fleshed out character with aspirations, flaws, and interests even before becoming crew. In-depth training for her to enjoy being a sub while on the ship.

Compare that to CoC2 companions:
Cait - You instantly get her at the start and the devs have not done anything interesting with her. Just a bubbly pink cat whore that gets mad at cultists and demons(but doesn't really care if you're fucking the demon queen)
Atugia - Has potential but is a complete nothingburger atm.
Brint - A generic hunk nothingburger.
Brienne - Cute character with lovey-dovey scenes, though completely uninteresting past that. Could be interesting with doubting her feelings for MC with the whole armor thing, but Wsan is never doing that.
Azy - Goes nowhere and has no depth.
Arona - Half-assed romance, completely boring character.
Agni - Who?
Vivianne - Who?
Quint -
That's all well and good...but there's 25ish TiTs companions.

Even not getting into the back and forth of why "bonding with Kiro" is a ridiculous exaggeration or any specifics about why all but maybe Anno and Paige are as shallow as the shallowest CoC2 companions...you quite literally left out 80+ percent of the TiTs crew.

Pretty far cry from "most". I doubt anyone could name them all with a gun to their head.
 

zwere

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That's all well and good...but there's 25ish TiTs companions.

Even not getting into the back and forth of why "bonding with Kiro" is a ridiculous exaggeration or any specifics about why all but maybe Anno and Paige are as shallow as the shallowest CoC2 companions...you quite literally left out 80+ percent of the TiTs crew.

Pretty far cry from "most". I doubt anyone could name them all with a gun to their head.
Yeah, honestly the list reads more to me like "I find the content around these companions more enjoyable" rather than "these companions have more depth." And I think that's perfectly fine, we don't read porn adventure games for pulitzer prize winning writing and you don't need a character to have insane levels of depth or internal struggles to be likeable or endearing.
 

MoneyMan181

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I'm gonna be real, I call her a disney princess so often that my brain sorta just glossed over her. I actually do think Ryn is probably the most fleshed out companion but the problems with her is the confidence and libido system is more of a shitty content switch than anything. There is no journey, no scenes showing her growth or becoming more lustful, it's just spamming the same scenes to get her to that point and the bust instantly changes. It's just half-baked, which kinda sucks because she's pretty close to being good(barring the whole successor bullshit obviously). She's got a boring personality(recurring theme with this game) but at least she has an actual arc and a valid reason for joining you, even if said reason is kinda flimsy after Winter City.
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Pretty far cry from "most". I doubt anyone could name them all with a gun to their head.
I could've very much kept going, but I really didn't feel like I had to as the point was established. Regardless I used the wrong wording which is my bad, what I meant was I care for the characters more, rather than being closer. TiTS gives you more of a reason to care about crew mates than CoC 2 does for companions.
any specifics about why all but maybe Anno and Paige are as shallow as the shallowest CoC2 companions
Would genuinely like to know how Anno isn't shallow and how a robot gaining self-awareness, independence, and the ability to love is more shallow than gender bending a cow dude and have her instantly fall in love with you.
we don't read porn adventure games for pulitzer prize winning writing and you don't need a character to have insane levels of depth or internal struggles to be likeable or endearing.
Nobody said this, but you do need a reason for a character to actually risk their lives besides "Well I think it would be fun". I'm not asking for a lot, I'm just asking for them to be believable characters that I can actually care for. If one-man dev projects can do that, then a whole team making 1/3rd of a million dollars a year should definitely be able to.
 

zwere

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Nobody said this, but you do need a reason for a character to actually risk their lives besides "Well I think it would be fun". I'm not asking for a lot, I'm just asking for them to be believable characters that I can actually care for. If one-man dev projects can do that, then a whole team making 1/3rd of a million dollars a year should definitely be able to.
Eh, I don't really agree with this. Especially in the fantasy adventure genre, where wanderlust sums up why most adventurers go on perilous escapades. Either a character is enjoyable throughout most of the story or they ain't. Doesn't matter where the weak parts are as much as the quantity of weak parts, except if the very end of a character's arc is botched because that can sour the entire buildup process that happened beforehand. You can very easily deal with a flimsy opening if you have something of value to offer beyond it. And like I've said, the writing in fen games is serviceable, rarely noteworthy. Let's face it, it matters way more if the kinks presented get your engine going than anything else.
 
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nnjagnga333

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Since we're talking shit about companions and savin's dumb decisions and inconsistency -

Ryn and his autism about people asking for the ability to transform ryn to be less gay / have a vagina. Seriously, in a game based off transformatives, where you have a companion whose entire character arc starts from a transformation fetish (boring cow) and you can't make ryn less gay because it's Savin's trap waifu and he rages anytime he has to consider writing something other than anal. Half the plot revolves around this character and the game actively makes ryn less effective if you don't smash regularly, but how dare players have preferences.

Ivris. Savin your stupid "too many characters to bang in Tavros" excuse has gone completely out the window there are a million characters in town now, only reason Ivris gets no scenes is because she conflicts with Savin's trap waifu in being a small elf, but is actually female and interesting.
 

NODOGAN

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i gotchu LES GOOOO
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Ok I've got a few things to say:
1) Who the flying fuck is Elena?¡ is it some bitch's OC or did I somehow skipped on content all this time?
2) Dear lord that "I'm not afraid of you" animu drawing is some serious uncanny valley shit, she looks like she lacks a soul! just...those eyes dude!
3) Fuck me elf ears looked good till Alypia stepped in, Ryn looks like half donkey in a tub on that pic!
 
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