Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Meatshield236]

Talking of RPGs, imo at its core a power-fantasy is nothing more than a regular RPG that puts the PC at the centre of its narrative while providing a multitude of paths and one optimal one, that you usually can go down by going the extra mile. So while functionally a power-fantasy because of the porn aspect, i still wouldn't call this game one because it often just lacks the most basic of choices (beyond sex stuff). And i think it does so because the writers' perspective just intrudes too often on their writing.

Like, from the writer's perspective the foxes weren't meant to come across as a bunch of soul-sucking assholes, so you can't talk back to them. Mallachites weren't meant to come across as a weird grooming cult, so they're the best people ever and here's your temple. Everyone practices slavery, but because reasons only the orcs are bad for doing it and just accept it. Gweyr the kidsslayer and Kiyoko the terrible mother are actually upstanding citizens, so god forbid you ever question them. The Champions needs to like Cait because she's actually lovely, the Champions needs to be Agni's whipping boy because she's actually just spunky, and so forth and so on.

It's honestly odd. Those themes and characters wouldn't even feel bad, in absense of choice, if they were treated with a measure of awareness, but it's all just so biased. Don't question anything and like what we like, kinda thing. Which is why i think Wsan is as appreciated as he is around here. He doesn't provide much choice either, and he doesn't write the most complex of characters/situations, but at least he doesn't impose controversial takes on the player/character.

Your point about the writer's perspective intruding upon everything is spot on. With better writers, we would be presented with information about the world and it's characters then be allowed to make decisions based off of that information. It can be biased based off who you learn it from, but the text and situations you are put in shouldn't be biased one way or another. I think this is why Cait is so hated around here, because the text presents her in such a glowing light that it feels like it's demanding that you like her. Given how they divvy up writing characters, I am not surprised in the slightest. Because every character is someone's Special OC that must be liked at all times, because doing otherwise would be a personal attack against the person writing them. It's the amateur fanfic problem turned into a game, with the added problem that they're also including kinks in there and that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

As a side note, can I just say that despite the game presenting itself as sex positive, it's weirdly judgemental. This ties into the whole "just about every character is someone's OC Sex Dream," you get weirdly pressured into having sexual encounters with everyone and everything. Every situation is someone's magical realm. Which usually isn't a problem in most games because they're clear about what the game is about. But with CoC 2, it presents itself as a choice-based RPG. A sexy choose your own adventure novel. Except the narration keeps pushing you towards fucking everything and everyone, rather than presenting a buffet and allowing you to pick and choose.

 

[hater45]

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You choose the option they don't like then the characters get super salty or you get punished for it. You choose to return the amulet to Keros and it almost sounds like Tobs is speaking through with the seethe. If I'm not this super special person, then it doesn't matter if I don't do your plan because you can find anyone else to do it. Letting Quinn die is bad because of what? He is running away from the cult due to defecting and I'm just suppose to believe him?

 

[Meatshield236]

You choose the option they don't like then the characters get super salty or you get punished for it. You choose to return the amulet to Keros and it almost sounds like Tobs is speaking through with the seethe. If I'm not this super special person, then it doesn't matter if I don't do your plan because you can find anyone else to do it. Letting Quinn die is bad because of what? He is running away from the cult due to defecting and I'm just suppose to believe him?

I just had a look at Quinn's wiki page (I never ran into him apparently) and holy shit, saving the guy then telling him to fuck off gives you corruption? Being cautious about an ex-cultist and not leading him towards the nearest town is an objectively a bad thing to the game apparently, even though subverting towns and areas from within is something that the cult does. You have no reason to trust him, and every reason to distrust a literal demon worshiping cult who's entire MO is corrupting and subverting things through subtle and not so subtle means.

Man, this is the most railroading shit I've seen.

 

[FurrBat]

I think 2 things hurt me the most in Coc2. The lack of player agency (all of the we are Cait's taxi memes here) and the lack of overall consistency in Mc characterization. How much respect do we even get from people around us when we did quests, real question tho?

Each writer has their own take on our Mc and his character ping-pongs from event to event being different each time.

Then we have some railroading with our beloved instant-loss scenes by means of Author-inserts *cough* Leofric *cough* or "choices" where the outcome is the same *cough* Gweyr *cough* so while we still have the illusion of choice it doesnt matter anyway, as the choice is made by the writer not us.

 

[muschi26]

I just had a look at Quinn's wiki page (I never ran into him apparently) and holy shit, saving the guy then telling him to fuck off gives you corruption? Being cautious about an ex-cultist and not leading him towards the nearest town is an objectively a bad thing to the game apparently, even though subverting towns and areas from within is something that the cult does. You have no reason to trust him, and every reason to distrust a literal demon worshiping cult who's entire MO is corrupting and subverting things through subtle and not so subtle means.

Man, this is the most railroading shit I've seen.

The difference between purity and corruption is actually just playing the game how the devs intend you to vs. going against that.

Kissing Cait's ass to remove corruption was a metaphor all along.

 

[FurrBat]

Kissing Cait's ass to remove was a metaphor all along.

Im still dying to this day that this is an actual coded in mechanic after I found it myself when browsing the code for ways of decreasing corruption.

 

[hater45]

I think 2 things hurt me the most in Coc2. The lack of player agency (all of the we are Cait's taxi memes here) and the lack of overall consistency in Mc characterization. How much respect do we even get from people around us when we did quests, real question tho?

Each writer has their own take on our Mc and his character ping-pongs from event to event being different each time.

Then we have some railroading with our beloved instant-loss scenes by means of Author-inserts *cough* Leofric *cough* or "choices" where the outcome is the same *cough* Gweyr *cough* so while we still have the illusion of choice it doesnt matter anyway, as the choice is made by the writer not us.

Gweyr's quest was so fucking dumb I don't know how anyone on the writing team allowed that to pass. She had the ability to subdue those cult members but went unga bunga and became a murderer, and we can't call her stupid?

 

[MarcusDBlack]

She had the ability to subdue those cult members but went unga bunga and became a murderer, and we can't call her stupid?

Same energy

 

[Thisguy?]

i haven't really cared keep up much with the constant drama that is going on between the writing team or whatever, but can someone give me a breakdown on why this Berwyn "Update" came to be?
Bullshit gimmick dungeon and terrible quest ending choice aside they actually kind of give me what I wanted in the end and that's an actual relationship dynamic with Berry, instead of him just hating having sex with a male player character. I however don't know why the reason for removing him from the party and tying him into the camp system a system that I never use because i play a white mage, have Cait in my party 24/7 and always have a way stone activated in every area. Why not just have his quest item just you teleport you to him at any time like Kiyoko's amulet.
I guess keeping him to one place would make writing scenes for him easier considering the body changes and all, but fuckin Berry was the one male companion i had and kept taking on my team now I only got Brint who's practically been replaced by Brienne and godamn Quintillus, I DONT FUCKIN LIKE QUIN, who even uses Quin? If there was any fuckin character that could use a update that removes them from the party it'd be Quintillus.

 

[Thisguy?]

Gweyr's quest was so fucking dumb I don't know how anyone on the writing team allowed that to pass. She had the ability to subdue those cult members but went unga bunga and became a murderer, and we can't call her stupid?

No because shes soooo cool and badass and she can kill an army with one arm tied behind her back and peg Garth at the same time.

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

So ends the 4chan CoC2 and TiTS general. They finally had enough. They are free.

 

[Boardguy]

Maybe, a shitposter or 2 might bring it back but hopefully, it stays down till the game is either finished or rushed jobbed, then the modding can begin in earnest.

 

[Deleted member 1660801]

So ends the 4chan CoC2 and TiTS general. They finally had enough. They are free. View attachment 1958022

What happened?

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

What happened?

Dissatisfaction with the game for the whole year and longer finally took it's toll. They decided to stop.

 

[Skandranon]

So ends the 4chan CoC2 and TiTS general. They finally had enough. They are free.

Eh, good riddance.

 

[The trap(and futa)enjoyer]

It's funny that another game dev just ruined their game with one update.

 

[SloppySab]

Ive been playing this game for years,still having fun with is
the game is fine,I don't get it

 

[Kuritzkale]

Surely the devs respond to all of this backlash, right? Have they already? Just looking at steam, the recent reviews went from "very positive" to "mixed". From what I've gathered this seems like the biggest backlash the devs have received for an update, with places that would normally be very supportive seemingly upset as well.

Mainly I just hope that the devs publicly and privately apologize to HugsAlright, or if they think he has misrepresented what actually happened, they come out with evidence that his behavior truly justified removing him from the writing team, although I do think that going against his explicit wishes for Berwyn to remain male is unjustifiable, and super fucking lame. I also really hope this backlash serves as some kind of wake up call to the devs, now that they realize they can't just do anything and get away with it.

 

[KloneZone]

It's funny that another game dev just ruined their game with one update.

Another? Whos the other?

 

[Skandranon]

Surely the devs respond to all of this backlash, right? Have they already? Just looking at steam, the recent reviews went from "very positive" to "mixed". From what I've gathered this seems like the biggest backlash the devs have received for an update, with places that would normally be very supportive seemingly upset as well.

They have responded to it on their Discord and forums, but not really anything other than "this is how it had to be, sorry".

Doubt they will, either. Recent reviews on Steam are a drop in the bucket, still at 94% positive overall.

Mainly I just hope that the devs publicly and privately apologize to HugsAlright

Probably definitely not happening.

now that they realize they can't just do anything and get away with it.

This will probably have 0 effect on their income.

TiTs removed incest scenes from its game, and that caused a WAY bigger stink than this. It ultimately did nothing, people moved on. For better or for worse, this won't do anything except possibly, maybe cause them to give more of a heads up if this exact situation ever happens again.