Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[hater45]

Ive been playing this game for years,still having fun with is
the game is fine,I don't get it

Nothing should stop you from enjoying a product as it is subjective. My biggest gripe has been that it is very mediocre with little over sight for a product bringing in that much money.

 

[Kuritzkale]

This will probably have 0 effect on their income.

Sadly most likely true, think the only thing that could do that is a competitor appearing, which... well, I can hope! Wonder how hard a game like this would be to make... And you're right that the devs will never apologize to HugsAlright, but they should, and not doing so just proves how pathetic and childish they are, which isn't surprising because everyone who seems to spend a lot of time writing/drawing/creating porn seems to have a terminal case of "I don't know how to be a functioning member of society or a real human being with compassion for others"

 

[The trap(and futa)enjoyer]

Another? Whos the other?

Business of Loving by Dead-end

 

[ankhtar]

They're only getting a wake up call if those sweet patreon dollars just up and stop flooding their wallets one day, which is just not happening because they have no real competition, so they can get away with everything.
I believe it's become more than evident that anything that is said outside of their collective hug box doesn't mean shit to them (and if something bad is said in it, they silence it anyway). I mean, what's next, cutting Brint off from the game entirely? Brienne is the people's favorite by far so why not? Just let everyone get Brienne from the start as if Brint had never existed and bam, less work for them.

The only option we have at this point is to wait for this farce to be completed (or half baked, if coc 1 is any indication of how they "work") and then let the modders redact the bad content which is most of it and get started on creating the real game, assuming that even they want to so much as look at it by that point. I certainly wouldn't. Not because I don't want to spite them (oh, the irony) or improve the game, no, but because I don't want to bring any more attention to the game and giving them undue credit as devs and writers by essentially turning their turd into a gold bar via my hard, unpaid work.

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

They will never cut Brint. Savin loves his bull too much. He hates Brienne.

 

[Skandranon]

Sadly most likely true, think the only thing that could do that is a competitor appearing, which... well, I can hope! Wonder how hard a game like this would be to make...

Real competition is unlikely.

The biggest advantage of these games, and simultaneously the cause of most of its problems, is the community. Everyone writing for the game came from the community at some point. It's the resource that all of these game draw on to put out the content that they do.

Halfway decent writers don't grow on trees, let alone whole teams of them. And the money to pay several writers sits at a level most games won't reach until years in.

CoC2 had a community and fanbase that ramped up from the first CoC, to Tits, kinda with FoE, to CoC2, and it took well over a decade. It's in a unique position.

Imo, you couldn't create anything directly competing with it without cash up front and at least a few talented writers with a long term comittment.

A few writers from TiTs tried to brach off and do their own thing with Cloud 10 - it flopped.

There are a few other text based type games in the same vein, but none of them are even close in popularity. Lilith Throne is never going to be an actual competitor to CoC2.

And you're right that the devs will never apologize to HugsAlright, but they should, and not doing so just proves how pathetic and childish they are

Without knowing how it actually went down, this isn't really something I can agree with.

 

[hater45]

Real competition is unlikely.

The biggest advantage of these games, and simultaneously the cause of most of its problems, is the community. Everyone writing for the game came from the community at some point. It's the resource that all of these game draw on to put out the content that they do.

Halfway decent writers don't grow on trees, let alone whole teams of them. And the money to pay several writers sits at a level most games won't reach until years in.

CoC2 had a community and fanbase that ramped up from the first CoC, to Tits, kinda with FoE, to CoC2, and it took well over a decade. It's in a unique position.

Imo, you couldn't create anything directly competing with it without cash up front and at least a few talented writers with a long term comittment.

A few writers from TiTs tried to brach off and do their own thing with Cloud 10 - it flopped.

There are a few other text based type games in the same vein, but none of them are even close in popularity. Lilith Throne is never going to be an actual competitor to CoC2.



Without knowing how it actually went down, this isn't really something I can agree with.

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

 

[Skandranon]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically.

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

 

[Wrynn13]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

 

[Dreamer44]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

Then you don't know Savin; he'd never do that

Go and read the text, the game, the scenes you are complaining about.

 

[Dreamer44]

But Cait, herself a child who was raised in the sex cult and eventually joined it after being given the ultimatum, says it's not grooming, so it's not

(Obligatory, imagine if it was played as the gods being overall good for the world [due to their sheer intransigence and no more] but still allowing bad shit to happen in their name because arrogant assholes, while Kaz being more personable and approachable [which is she is] yet still worse for the world at large because of her very demonic nature/plans)

Not a sex cult. A porn religion from a porn setting.

 

[Dreamer44]

I think 2 things hurt me the most in Coc2. The lack of player agency (all of the we are Cait's taxi memes here) and the lack of overall consistency in Mc characterization. How much respect do we even get from people around us when we did quests, real question tho?

Each writer has their own take on our Mc and his character ping-pongs from event to event being different each time.

Then we have some railroading with our beloved instant-loss scenes by means of Author-inserts *cough* Leofric *cough* or "choices" where the outcome is the same *cough* Gweyr *cough* so while we still have the illusion of choice it doesnt matter anyway, as the choice is made by the writer not us.

Leofric is not an author self insert. He's a future boss whose quest hasn't been implemented yet because his writer is busy.

 

[Dreamer44]

How do the Kitsune react to you being a kitsune from Keros? They don't really treat you that much different than before. Also, don't give others story breaking powers because you can just ask why they haven't solved any conflicts that are happening right now. We can use my WOTR example, when you choose a path you get unique powers that is on the realm of godly but they are only for story purposes or cool buffs, like Aeon being the giga chad and making people cease to exist, or Tricksters being able to manipulate their dice rolls to crit like fucking monsters.

You only get a transformation for giving up your soul, doesn't seem that worth it now does it? Lumia makes you a Valkyrie if I am not mistaken. These are some shit offers compared to any other games where you get something like Ebony blade, or Dawnbreaker. I feel that they seen the trick before is such a bullshit excuse because they would automatically know if you didn't have a soul because it is physically ripped from your body, unlike it going somewhere post death. For people who wants to do worldbuilding, it sure is easy to find major flaws in logic thinking about it more than a few seconds.

Since you don't read, you miss the how kitsune react to you before and after becoming one. That's on you.

You get the TF and powers related to it, along with changes on certain NPCs dialogues and reactions.

And certain plotlines are affected.

 

[Evizzy89]

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

 

[Dreamer44]

i haven't really cared keep up much with the constant drama that is going on between the writing team or whatever, but can someone give me a breakdown on why this Berwyn "Update" came to be?
Bullshit gimmick dungeon and terrible quest ending choice aside they actually kind of give me what I wanted in the end and that's an actual relationship dynamic with Berry, instead of him just hating having sex with a male player character. I however don't know why the reason for removing him from the party and tying him into the camp system a system that I never use because i play a white mage, have Cait in my party 24/7 and always have a way stone activated in every area. Why not just have his quest item just you teleport you to him at any time like Kiyoko's amulet.
I guess keeping him to one place would make writing scenes for him easier considering the body changes and all, but fuckin Berry was the one male companion i had and kept taking on my team now I only got Brint who's practically been replaced by Brienne and godamn Quintillus, I DONT FUCKIN LIKE QUIN, who even uses Quin? If there was any fuckin character that could use a update that removes them from the party it'd be Quintillus.

Long story short: Berwyn's writer left due to mental health issues, and later had a toxic falling out with the rest of the staff.

Rather than burden one of the permanent writers with a second companion, Berwyn was downgraded from a companion to a NPC.

Brint and Brienne are both kept updated by their author.

Quintillus is getting expanded soon; his author managed to get enough free time to write more of him and other projects.

And a companion won't be reminded ved because you don't like him. Ignore him, sent him away to die or just leave him in the bar and don't recruit him.

 

[Dreamer44]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

Oh, the game IS planned to end. The staff will simply move on to a new project if all goes well.

 

[Dreamer44]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

CoC1 was a good game, but it also was a mess. Its many problems led to irs rushed conclusion.

CoC2 is trying to be better than it.

And I know you will all comment about how it fails to do so and such, but let me tell you this.

If you don't like the game or how things go, what are you doing here?

 

[Skandranon]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?

To start a new game, obviously.

The whole game was pretty well outlined at the beginning of the project, there's only one more act iirc after KM is over.

CoC ended, TiTs is about to end, this will end too.

 

[Kroenen12]

good news

 

[Kallisto]

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/