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Tau_Iota

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CoC2 team-lead isn't reputed for their way of handling criticism. Just don't let them live rent-free into your head.

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So tobs visits us? lmao I got words for him, don't you doubt that.
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Anyway, the fact that he comes here and says nothing is hilarious. Like bruh, you know we're here so you might as well talk to us. Can't speak for others, but I'd love to see what you have to say on a platform you can't readily remove someone from or have your fans/coworkers dogpile on
 

arls120

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So tobs visits us? lmao I got words for him, don't you doubt that.
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Anyway, the fact that he comes here and says nothing is hilarious. Like bruh, you know we're here so you might as well talk to us. Can't speak for others, but I'd love to see what you have to say on a platform you can't readily remove someone from or have your fans/coworkers dogpile on
wait really tobs comes here and sees the comments?
 
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but yeah mb for multiple walls of text, come from family that talks a lot so have to reign it in, unrelated but i'd like a kiyoko anal scene where she gets pissy like the harpy night visit scene. think thats one of their restrictions though, nothing that doesnt involve impreg for her
 

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This is honestly not surprising. I've long felt the team as a whole were very elitist over the content in their game (I mean, the suggestions segment of their site basically all but tells you to fuck off from the get go), when it really isn't this golden masterpiece they like to tell themselves it is. Especially when a lot of the games are just the same content over and over again. Anything of Tob's is like a damn word salad. It's like trying to jerk off to a dictionary.
 
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Tau_Iota

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I'm pretty sure Savin does as well, the salt must flow after all.

Too bad Alypia doesn't know about this place though. I think she'd get a much nicer reception than the salt miners and she could use some views outside the shlong slobber fest of their forums.
Honestly though. And a little outreach goes a long way as well. If Savin or Tobs actually tried communicating here I highly doubt they'd get attacked, barrage of questions and concerns sure, but not attacks. Most devs with games that find their way to this site that choose to communicate with us usually see more subs (like me).

If they got real criticism, it could only help the game, not hurt it. Like Dark Knight being written as a total douche... why? None of the other corrupt NPCs act like that, why does the champ? It circles back to, "Why are you making a corruption-based game if you don't want to? Why penalize the player for interacting with the corruption system you put into place?" Just remove the option to become corrupt if you don't want players doing that, and call the game "Belharian Oops Oughta Be Saved" or something lmao Ignore the dumb name, was just trying to get an acronym for Boobs
 
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hotaruchan1

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I think my impressions and interactions with this game are summed up by the following. "Hey I liked COC 1 I'll give this a go. hey some neat characters of the start this is kinda neat. fast forward anything I like at inception is usually ruined by the direction it's taken, or just ignored after introduction, but things i'd rather ignore is where the vast majority of the development seems focused. I guess time to throw in the had promise but they fucked it pile and more on."
 

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Honestly though. And a little outreach goes a long way as well. If Savin or Tobs actually tried communicating here I highly doubt they'd get attacked, barrage of questions and concerns sure, but not attacks. Most devs with games that find their way to this site that choose to communicate with us usually see more subs (like me).

If they got real criticism, it could only help the game, not hurt it. Like Dark Knight being written as a total douche... why? None of the other corrupt NPCs act like that, why does the champ? It circles back to, "Why are you making a corruption-based game if you don't want to? Why penalize the player for interacting with the corruption system you put into place?" Just remove the option to become corrupt if you don't want players doing that, and call the game "Belharian Oops Oughta Be Saved" or something lmao Ignore the dumb name, was just trying to get an acronym for Boobs
The problem with the salt miners is they seem to see any questions or even worse criticism as a attack, and you know some one would bring of the Temple of Groomers to which I'd expect nothing but salt in response.
 

Tau_Iota

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"Hey I liked COC 1 I'll give this a go.."
That's my thing. They get mad when people go into the game expecting more CoC1. Doesn't make any sense. Obviously I'd go into CoC2 expecting more of similar content because they have the same name. I'll say again, they never had any desire to make a CoC game. They only wanted the clout of the first game to help make their game. Savin knew that he didn't have the same rep as Fenoxo did at the time, and that being the writer of Kiha wouldn't make people trust him in making a whole game. However, if he had the CoC title people would assume that there would be oversight, if not just mentorship, from Fenoxo given that it's his IP. As it turns out, Fen has no input whatsoever and no libido to run his own game let alone course-correct this one.

If only Alder had thought to name FoE CoC2 instead. No doubt greater care would have been taken to actually connect the first game to the second.
The problem with the salt miners is they seem to see any questions or even worse criticism as a attack, and you know some one would bring of the Temple of Groomers to which I'd expect nothing but salt in response.
You're probably right, but it's always good to hope that cooler heads would prevail.

Also, I still can't wrap my head around Kas being the villain. Sure she's corrupting people, but they're literally grooming children already. Not to mention that it's just a thing that's accepted. No one says "Yo Mr. White, you ever think them using religion to make children into prostitutes is wrong?" They just go "Oh those wacky Catholics and their traditions." (No hate, Irish Catholic) How much worse could it get?
 

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That's my thing. They get mad when people go into the game expecting more CoC1. Doesn't make any sense. Obviously I'd go into CoC2 expecting more of similar content because they have the same name. I'll say again, they never had any desire to make a CoC game. They only wanted the clout of the first game to help make their game. Savin knew that he didn't have the same rep as Fenoxo did at the time, and that being the writer of Kiha wouldn't make people trust him in making a whole game. However, if he had the CoC title people would assume that there would be oversight, if not just mentorship, from Fenoxo given that it's his IP. As it turns out, Fen has no input whatsoever and no libido to run his own game let alone course-correct this one.

If only Alder had thought to name FoE CoC2 instead. No doubt greater care would have been taken to actually connect the first game to the second.

You're probably right, but it's always good to hope that cooler heads would prevail.

Also, I still can't wrap my head around Kas being the villain. Sure she's corrupting people, but they're literally grooming children already. Not to mention that it's just a thing that's accepted. No one says "Yo Mr. White, you ever think them using religion to make children into prostitutes is wrong?" They just go "Oh those wacky Catholics and their traditions." (No hate, Irish Catholic) How much worse could it get?
I don't think of it as Kas being THE villain but A villain. One of many that my pure character would purge and my corrupt character would subjugate. Though the catboy god of groomers is on the purge list for both...
 
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That's my thing. They get mad when people go into the game expecting more CoC1. Doesn't make any sense. Obviously I'd go into CoC2 expecting more of similar content because they have the same name. I'll say again, they never had any desire to make a CoC game. They only wanted the clout of the first game to help make their game. Savin knew that he didn't have the same rep as Fenoxo did at the time, and that being the writer of Kiha wouldn't make people trust him in making a whole game. However, if he had the CoC title people would assume that there would be oversight, if not just mentorship, from Fenoxo given that it's his IP. As it turns out, Fen has no input whatsoever and no libido to run his own game let alone course-correct this one.

If only Alder had thought to name FoE CoC2 instead. No doubt greater care would have been taken to actually connect the first game to the second.

You're probably right, but it's always good to hope that cooler heads would prevail.

Also, I still can't wrap my head around Kas being the villain. Sure she's corrupting people, but they're literally grooming children already. Not to mention that it's just a thing that's accepted. No one says "Yo Mr. White, you ever think them using religion to make children into prostitutes is wrong?" They just go "Oh those wacky Catholics and their traditions." (No hate, Irish Catholic) How much worse could it get?
I agree, while I enjoy Kas, she's kinda got a "mask" of misunderstood villain they push, and hide all the "whoa hold up" stuff like her breeding slave basement in a corner that's brushed off. Imo I feel like they should make her more evil upfront, and cause more friction between people you know. Like this is the person that is supposed to be causing so much strife, to the point of a living "god" bursting through the roof and needing to intervene because she let a Cthulhu-ish entity in that's caused permanent changes and non-sexy corruption to the land, like the painted demons (think that's their name). At first sure she's a menace, but with her backstory involving literally breaking necks after being violently assaulted, turning others into demons, causing stuff like the centaur village and the raiders, ryns sister, connection to caits sister, the reactions just feel weird. Everyone just goes "oh you're hugging and banging her that's kinda wacky and weird".

Theres just a lot of tonal whiplash, like they want the underwater Lovecraft dungeon with your party breaking down. They proposed one of your daughters with kiyoko being burnt in an attack but moved it to what's now known as rindo. they want cait hurling herself at a wall screaming for her sister while you hold her back. they want gweyrs bloody defense of the village. kas' previously mentioned backstory. They want stuff like the red mage when you first save caits dad almost being choked to death. They want komari begging to die. They want kinu and kiyokos parental drama past the honeymoon stage. But then they try to front it as just being a porn game.

Imo they seem to want to make an adult story with smut included instead of the reverse or equal, and should embrace that. If you put "and then she knew what she had to do, she cut down all the teenagers, covered in blood and intestines surrounded by bodies", or "my mother kept assaulting me until I finally snapped her neck", or "father they attacked while you were away, there was fire everywhere, we were so scared, my brothers and sisters were screaming", at what point does it need to stop being pushed as just a porn game?
 

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Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.

I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.

kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
[not a quote]

I honestly expect the end game to be them succeeding or close to it and then they give the MC some choices
[1 kill them{might not even be there as an option}]
[2 forgive them]
[3 romance them]
[4 enslave {Kass: joke's on you, i'm into that shit}]
[5 purify them {if they didn't all succeed in their goals]
[6 repent?]
 

Quintilus

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I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.
Project manager is just a 'mothers favorite special child'.
Instead of making her U-U-U-ULTIMATELY obscene and corrupted (which will make some player like her in a "this shit is fuu-u-u-ucked, I know it but I still like it...fuck my stupidly horny brain" way, and most of a players hate her) he went onto a road of "she victim of circumstances, shes pretty good...while not rape things....and corrupt things...and steal souls...and cause mass genocide...and creates highly unstable interdimensional portals that threats a whole existence of a universe...promice shes a good gal, no really"....which is yes, possible, but he lack both experience and intelligence to do so. Ego of a sizes of an everest are not helps here.
 

Tau_Iota

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Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.

I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.

kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
[not a quote]
I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.

In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil? Sure she introduces depravity, but you'd be too corrupt to know it's bad. All she's doing is making the suffering easier for those already suffering. "Oh you used to be a menial slave doing back breaking labor? Well guess what bro, now you will feel endless pleasure for eternity. Still a slave tho, my b." How can you ruin a slave's life by making it at least enjoyable?
Yeah, picking a tone and sticking with it is pretty important. I don't know if I'm supposed to take Cait worrying about her sister seriously if it doesn't seem she does outside a few select scenes. See above about the slavery thing. It's already actively happening like a lot.

They don't express the tact to make an adult game with erotic elements though, as they don't have a cohesive tone. They use the "just a porn game" to make up for that.

I don't think of it as Kas being THE villain but A villain. One of many that my pure character would purge and my corrupt character would subjugate. Though the catboy god of groomers is on the purge list for both...
This is the fairest response on Kas. People are arguing that she's the BBEG in a world where all I see are BBEGs. If you wanted to be "pure" then you would have a very, very long list of names to cross off before the world was purified. Picking on her because she's got horns and red skin is racism :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:

Also, I prefer male Berwyn but fem-Berwyn got me actin up lmao
 
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