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Skandranon

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I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.

In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil?
The real world has/had literally all those things at a similar level of technology....except worse.

Eating peoples essence isn't really a huge deal....they specifically don't kill people, and it seems to be more of a minor inconvenience than anything.

Slavery is everywhere is any society in this time period, I don't see how it makes this world particularly corrupt.

And the child grooming thing is...well, nothing. Again, if we're comparing this to the real world? We would have those kids doing the same thing, except we didn't really do the "wait until 18" part. Heck, most of the excesses in this game, besides the glut of sex which nobody hugely minds, us sanitized compared to IRL history.


Kas wants a world where alraunes, corrupted bees, demons and goblin succubi are roaming the land. Kas wants a world where she doesn't stop at taking your essence, she drains your whole soul. In her world, kids won't be "groomed", because I doubt all the demons and whatnot will care about a kids age at all before they get started.

Literally everything Kas has done is a worse version of stuff already going on. And that's not counting the breeding experiments, the cult (which she doesn't directly control but is certainly the cause of), what she did to the Winter City (they didn't dwell on this, but the entire government and royal family of WC is dead now), or the fact that she's doing experiments that are ripping open the fabric of reality and letting in extra dimensional soul stealing monsters, which if Lumia hadn't been around for would have probably completely ended the Frost Marches and probably the world right there....


Besides the loads of casual sex, the world says Kass is pretty much just normal feudal society plus magic. There's really no comparison, Kas us going to burn the whole thing down.
 
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IDK, someone else mentioned it so I was curious.

In any case, while I don't think DCL's art is bad, I don't know if I'd say Kiyoko is one of his best lol. I would much, much rather have a bust from Moira for her.
Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
 

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Kas just took on excuse and used it to justify anything and everything she does for her own goals.
It just a simple, hollow, lazy, and/or writing shorthand/justification and with them pushing that idea as Kas's reason makes it look dumb if you look at their other actions to the point that MC should ask kas, do you think i'm dumb? You could just says i'm doing this cause i want too.

like Skandranon says this not that out of the ordinary even more so for bronze-age "medieval fantasy " [yes, i know those are different times]

i say the biggest problem talked about here is that things are poorly explained or thought out.
  1. foxes: they are either energy vampires or demon-like and are invaders, non-interactive player wise and world wise.
    that's pretty all the reason push them out at the least, them being reading like a fan fic mod that was just inserted is just a bonus to running them out. you'd think the elves would want to run them out with the wayfort and city near by.
  2. sex temple and sex god
    Wait? you made a god that whose spheres of influence is mostly just sex and the religious group make brothel temples, while saying that some of the characters family are from there or worked there. And that they will be learning and raised from the temple
    And in some with these facts the writer does insane mental gymnastics and say it isn't child grooming to be sluts or whores
With 2. that's like a master class on why you don't make your god just of sex and then say they raise the kids have while working there. Have those gods encompass more spheres of influence than mainly sex.​
 
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bmul

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Spiteful or not it is funny to watch both the autism that ensues when someone critics them as wel as the reactions here. Considering how much money furries have, anyone in the past 789 pages could have started making their own game with an initial investement for busts and with all the fetishes you like and probably turn a profit.
 

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Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
Miko's picture looks far far better than Kiyoko, especially when pregnant.
 

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So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
 
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So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
When I last checked, there is content for Male, Female and Herm Berwyn. But if they've changed thier mind since then, they serious can't tell what people want. I'm assuming they just havent had new art made for him in his regular form
 
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So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
Apparently, lots of people if you take this place into account. No accounting for taste, I guess...


But it's not all about that, it's a choice. You can end with regular Berry, futa Berry, or "Wynne" aka female Berwyn. And then there's a bunch of other stuff besides that.
 
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The real world has/had literally all those things at a similar level of technology....except worse.
Eating peoples essence isn't really a huge deal....they specifically don't kill people, and it seems to be more of a minor inconvenience than anything.
The real world doesn't really apply, considering I was stating that her idea of a "perfect" world is like... hardly any different to what they already have. Just more pleasure than pain, honestly. The real world is a messed up place, we know. That doesn't make it good or acceptable.

And yeah sure, you're supposed to let the soulsuckers be because they promise they won't have too many kids to need to go to more drastic measures. Mind you, in CoC2 soul isn't you. Soul is battery, (pretty sure) Ki is you. They eat you, not the battery you run on. So really, worse than demons because you as an entity is being eaten. You just gonna let them chill out in good faith? Fuck no. Way too dangerous to be left alone.
Slavery is everywhere is any society in this time period, I don't see how it makes this world particularly corrupt.
And the child grooming thing is...well, nothing. Again, if we're comparing this to the real world? We would have those kids doing the same thing, except we didn't really do the "wait until 18" part. Heck, most of the excesses in this game, besides the glut of sex which nobody hugely minds, us sanitized compared to IRL history.
Guess I have to overtly say it. Do you really expect me to believe that those children aren't at all taught about the Sex God who wants them to do Sex Stuff? That these kids just chill at the Sex Temple doing Not Sex things? No way in hell. Also woopty doo, our world is messed up. Saying that it is like that here or was like that here does not make it not bad. Do you look at slavery or pedophilia and just think "Damn, it do be like that?" It's inherently wrong, and you know it. That's why in our world there's people actively opposing shit like that. In Savarra it's commonplace and accepted. Do not suggest that we just accept those things, people look at slavery and dislike it. People rebelled against it.
Kas wants a world where alraunes, corrupted bees, demons and goblin succubi are roaming the land. Kas wants a world where she doesn't stop at taking your essence, she drains your whole soul. In her world, kids won't be "groomed", because I doubt all the demons and whatnot will care about a kids age at all before they get started.
Like I said above your soul isn't you. It's basically a Duracell battery in their world. You lose your soul and you're the same just upon losing your soul:

"They strip out everything good and compassionate and empathetic in a person, leaving nothing but a hedonistic husk that's obsessed with its own selfish pleasure. Addiction, sexual self-gratification, and domination without compassion."
Which again does not sound too far off what is already happening. Easiest example is the entirety of the Undermountain... oh and half of your companions with the exception of Brint/Brienne (maybe), Kiyoko, Atugia, Ryn, and Azzyran.

Most demon types are typically adults in less than days, so there'd be no chance to groom. Also highly doubt a souled-up Kasyrra would be down to corrupt her children. Seems like it would be a really, really dumb, contrived reason to show that she's evil.
Literally everything Kas has done is a worse version of stuff already going on. And that's not counting the breeding experiments, the cult (which she doesn't directly control but is certainly the cause of), what she did to the Winter City (they didn't dwell on this, but the entire government and royal family of WC is dead now), or the fact that she's doing experiments that are ripping open the fabric of reality and letting in extra dimensional soul stealing monsters, which if Lumia hadn't been around for would have probably completely ended the Frost Marches and probably the world right there....

Besides the loads of casual sex, the world says Kass is pretty much just normal feudal society plus magic. There's really no comparison, Kas us going to burn the whole thing down.
You're ignoring the whole Wraith thing, this plane had no problem in burning itself down when they themselves opened up portals and created such a shit world to begin with. Also, if it wasn't her with the cult it'd be some other demon given that it's just a mirror of CoC1's Ignam Elders.

Differing opinion on worse, if I'm stuck a slave I'd like to at least enjoy it. And speaking of CoC1, you know what made the pure route worth it? Good people to stand beside. Whether the lost mouse village to avenge or Tel'Adre to protect, you had good people. Sure Tel'Adre also had a lot of casual sex, but that was because after decades of being hidden away they had to be more accepting. The people in Savarra are not good and pointing to our own dirty past and present do not make them better. In my eyes, it makes them worse. Not only do they have magic, but they have a writer to make them better and they're still bad people. Feudal societies didn't have magic to rely on, Savarrans do. What is their excuse for slavery?

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Like? Cause personally I'd de-dick Garret, since he doesn't wanna give it to male champs lmao
Dude I hope they don't just ship him off on a bus. Such a wasted character to be around for so long then "k bye I'm joining the mercenaries and leaving, it builds character, I know a lone elf almost killed me but I can handle open warfare"
 
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