I mean to be fair Kas always had scenes where she was clearly acting pretty caring, it's just that those usually are tied to picking the right position in the non-repeatable sex scenes with her. Which is 1 of the things I really like about the character and how Savin managed to make her (and kinda her role in the story) adapt to player choices. Well, at least it was like that at the beginning.
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I've only seen Kas's sex scenes posted here. I never choose them when I played, so I'm mostly aware of her content from this forums. I did start a new playthrough with the intent of seeing them, but got bored. So I've yet to finish it. But, I would say I'm at least slightly interested in her now, because she appears to have depth as a character. Something that is greatly lacking in half the cast imo.
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I hold my guys and gals at same standard. So nah, I can not really ignore the fact that our supposed lovers are more than happy to have children with someone else while every other women in this begs me, and only me, to give them children. If I can not expect that from a guy than at most he stays a fuck buddy.I'm still of the opinion that as long as Brint doesn't recognize those kids I can pretend they don't exist.
At least Quint is clearer on the subject and sends a hint that he only has plans to have children with you. (although this may be a google translator error)
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Couldn't agree more. As a tip: If you want to have a relatively convincing development of the relationship between the protag and her go for the options that have the protag ride her (and similar things), basically treat her like your woman (but don't really dominate her) and don't let her use the protag (with doggystyle for e.g.) . Also don't reject her after the intro, I usually don't get intimate with her there, for roleplay reasons, but definitely don't reject her advances once you reached the actual main game. Also don't treat her as an enemy & have eternal holiday mode on cause there is a semi important scene with her where she shows quite a bit of what is going on inside her head.
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I understand your point but I have many doubts that wsan will change this aspect of Brint in the future, so I prefer to ignore it.......... well maybe after the marriage those hints will calm down a bit.
The only reason Kas acts different depending on how you treat her is the better to manipulate you. She is not deep, she is devious. She only wants one thing and will go to convoluted steps to get it but that doesn't change her driving goal. Of course if you know someone is trying to manipulate you that means you can use that to get what you want from them...
Even so, there’s a reason emotionally manipulative people are able to get into relationships in the first place. The illusion of caring can easily come across as truly caring in the eyes of one not privy to your thoughts.
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Yes But Kas has a reason to be a sociopath even if she has a relationship with you since her soul ain't around. I believe Kas has what she believes are your "best interests" at heart so I "trust" her more than the cultists who train kids for the world's oldest profession or the orcs. Kas as a character is interesting since she kind of feels things but doesn't in the normal way like when she reacts to Freja or her relation with her drake soldiers.
Don't get the impression I dislike Kas, get rid of the horsecock and she's perfect. I just don't think she's as deep or convoluted. Beheading the woman who took her soul and fighting back to a semblance of self control is a big deal, if of course you can trust anything she says. Which you can't.
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Oh nah, none in this game are deep & you're right about cock not being default would make her perfect plus I don't really trust her either. She probably ain't lying outright but shes still a goal-obsessed demon. If she believes hurting you would help her then she'd do it. She still needs/wants ya to get stronger, remember? Arm's length and always ready to defend yourself but also helping her sometimes, cause I fucking hate the world of coc2 and wanna see what happens.
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Don't ask me how long it took me to find this. https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...7-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-8763679
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I would like that but my worries that it will only increase. And if that happens, I would just lock Brint into a room and never look back.
Question, cause there are way too many pages of this and clashing stuff to go through...
Are ya'll talking about how Brint (and Arona/Quin) can have kids with others like Elthara and Salwah?
Cause if so, counter-point, you have to intervene for them to do so. Like you legit have to pay and/or bring them there.
Are ya'll talking about how Brint (and Arona/Quin) can have kids with others like Elthara and Salwah?
Cause if so, counter-point, you have to intervene for them to do so. Like you legit have to pay and/or bring them there.
I've been on and off this tread for a while and do indeed have a busfare's worth of opinions saved up, now that a drama compilation has been posted it's good a chance as ever. below is my collection of tuppences.
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It just occurred to me, I witnessed a very similar issue with the player character not being the protagonist of the game before. Though in the other game, white knight chronicles was the title, it wasn't in a round about way like it is in coc2. But it gave a very similar feeling as this game does which is simple; Why the fuck am I here, and why do I care about any of this if the character I spent time creating is someone the story also doesn't care about? I thought it was stupid in that game and now coc2 has proven to me that making the player character a side character is the best way to make people not care about your game.
Yeah the problem is that it didn't start out like that, it's a more recent development, sprung from the kinda ruined relationship between playerbase and Devs, minus a few hardcore simps that refuse to acknowledge that the game has begun to fall apart. It simply isn't really what it claims to be/is advertised as. The game wouldn't even be bad if it was just the stories of the OG characters of the Devs, it doesn't work the way it's written when the player character is supposedly not only the protagonist but under the control of the individual player. (I am obviously not saying every little detail should be accounted for, nor that there should be a dozen different options to pick from in every scene, quest and whatever. But that there should be some, at least, especially given the corruption system in place). Also the Devs really need to stop telling the player how they feel about certain things that are happening, it's doubly stupid given that that's actually a supposed rule for content submissions. The lead Devs just have started to ignore that (except for Wsan, as far as I recall more recent content).
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OK first off, I don't know why you keep calling the main story as "critical path" but whatever. How is finding Calla in any way, shape, or form better in terms of stopping Kas? She's a random girl you never even MEET, let alone are attached to, and the only reason a PC would care to save her is being a good samaritan or if they REALLY care about Cait. Meanwhile with Kas you're stopping the entire world from getting fucked over, potentially redeeming her, and she is specifically after the MC so it's not like running away would do much. The Champ has infinitely more reason to have motivation to go after Kasyrra than they do saving Calla(where it would be a fair assumption to just assume she's just dead).
I don't think a single person cares about her being the first party member or her being a healer. She feels like a Mary Sue because she doesn't have any weaknesses/flaws, everybody likes her for some reason, she grew up privileged as fuck(and is still privileged), is talented in multiple things, and seemingly has the most content out of all companions. Those are not growing pains that can just go away unless they completely rework her character which just isn't happening.
No, that is not at all what people say or even the meaning of their messages. First off, if you're going to constantly treat the player like shit for being in that area, give them the agency to change that. If you don't offer even just that, what incentive would the player have to coming back to that content? To see a really shitty Japanese drama? I can go watch that on a streaming service if I wanted to. As it stands, there isn't really a reason for the Champ to give a shit about the den at all. Even if that's where his family is, they ALL treat him like shit so that isn't a real excuse; especially when you take into consideration the utter meaningless of them past Kinu. And hopefully I don't need to explain why the Champ(and by association the player) not having a good reason to be interact with that content is a huge flaw.
People do not want absolute control over Kinu, you're spouting the same strawman that TOBS uses. People just want to have the option to actually be involved in their daughter's life and be a good father-figure. It is fucking insane that you punish the player, through no fault of their own, by making their own daughter hate them/feel complete indifference and not having the ability to ever change that. That is bad design in any game claiming to be an RPG. If you really want your shitty drama, keep the stupid ass hate she has for us and allow us to make peace with her over time, whether it be through kind gestures, meaningful discussions, family bonding, or any variation of those. As it stands, TOBS just makes the player feel shitty and useless for no reason other than because he can. Also Kiyoko being abusive comes out of literally nowhere and is incredibly contrived just to force more drama. She becomes a completely different character when she gets out of the orb and unless she intentionally used the Champ to get out and that's revealed to us, it's just bad writing.
The whole "it's based off of feudal Japan so of course they're xenophobic assholes" thing also makes no sense. They are a fictional race that were not isekaied to this world, he could've made them act however the fuck he wanted. He also doesn't even make any effort to show that modern Japanese people don't even act this way anymore. To do that, all he had to was make a younger kitsune character that doesn't share the same view of outsiders that the other kitsunes do.
How is liking and wanting monogamy related to being a pure vanilla soul? Regardless, this argument is null considering nearly every relationship in CoC1 is monogamous. God forbid people expect that from a sequel.
Yes it is the nature of content creation. That being said, it is perfectly justified to blame the devs anyway. I will blame it for being what it wants to be since being a DIRECT SEQUEL implies certain expectations. Also what the fuck does society have to do with wanting a fucking SMUT game to be like a previous one in the series???
My fucking ass.
Please link the study. As someone who loves hearing "unsolicited" criticism, I'm very curious about this!
This makes literally zero sense. How is telling them not going to help? Because their egos are too large to accept and listen to criticism? Explain.
Maybe you'd have a point if these were professional writers. But they aren't, and it very obviously shows. They write mediocre smut for furries. The bar could not possibly be lower, dude.
Regardless of dick move or not, these things are expected when you put literally anything onto the internet. If a few people being critical of your shit is too much to handle, that's your own problem. If it's a lot of people, well then they may just have a point, even if it's not as much of a point as they make it seem to be.
So let me just address this as a whole: Are we not allowed to be critical of the game now? Are we just supposed to accept the shit they shovel into our mouths, no matter how foul it may or may not be? Is it too much to ask that the devs think about criticism that's been repeated over and over? Is it too much to ask them to explain how this criticism isn't valid? If people aren't critical of the things they love, how is it supposed to reach its full potential?
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Would like to give more than 1 like for that, let's also add to that that a lot of people actually paid either money once on steam or are still supporting the project monthly through patreon. It's not as if the Devs are doing everyone a favor out of the kindness of their hearts, they want to make money & in CoC 2 that actually shows. And it's of course fair to do so, but that also means people can expect a reasonable amount of professionalism, part of which is - as you pointed out very well - dealing with criticism like a grown up. If not for the fact that I've been following Fen and his crew since the very beginning I'd be inclined to doubt that the people behind CoC 2 are legal adults.
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I'm more less on board with what moneyman has said, but I wanted to address the unsolicited criticism part. If you cannot handle criticism and you call yourself an artist, not only has your art instructors failed you, but you should give up on being a creative entirely, as you are not cut out for the field. Every art class I have been in(be it Improv comedy, creative writing, guitar lessons or drawing) has had a moment where we present our work to the class and the class would discuss what could be improved or was successful about about the piece. Criticism is the life blood of art. It is the only way we can determine the value of our work, as the field is entirely subjective. Even now that I am working as a freelance writer, before anything I write gets published it has to get past an editor. And I hate lazy editors who cannot be bothered to look over my work. Criticism acts as a way to protect writers from their blind spots (in the case of writing bias, general grammar errors, and makes sure you stay humble). When I submit something and wait for them to read over it and find out they half assed their job it pisses me off. Because Now I've wasted my time waiting on them, and now I have to spend my time reviewing my work (something I normally do anyways, but is easier when I have notes on my mistakes that I might have made.)
The only time I think an artist should get pissed of with criticism is when someone is doing and Ad hominem. But, any other time there is no excuse for not listening to or seeking out criticism.
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At the very least one always should consider if there is something to the critique. Sometimes it's stuff that you can see as not useful (for e.g. if someone creates a game for a targeted audience and someone asks for or suggests a change that would entirely go against that), but usually it doesn't hurt to think about it once. And in this specific case that doesn't apply cause the critique is very broad and has to do with the game not sticking to it's premise & advertised features.
Also, as someone who struggles with not taking impolite critique to my writing personal, I can only say that reaching the point where I can still look at my work and think about possible, just reasons for it, was a step up.
And as a non-native speaker I can only be grateful when people, for free, correct my mistakes and maybe even explain why what I was writing doesn't work in English, in contrast to my native language.