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Biostar

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Why? For the rest of the game.
If I'm doing Ryns content, I'm doing it for the sex scenes, the dates, the dialogue and character development, etc. I'm not doing it for some nebulous payoff 4 or 5 years down the road. I don't think anyone is.
While no one is interacting with a NPC solely for the final payoff, it can have an important effect on the rest of the interactions. Imagine if after all we've had with Brienne, they add an inevitable scene of Brienne fucking some other guy and getting pregnant. I don't know about everyone else but I would venture a guess the majority would hate that. If I had known how fucked the kitsune content was going to become, I would have never released Kiyoko even though it's a dead end in content. When you write a character you make certain expectations. It doesn't matter if they outright say they're exclusive to you or not, if it's framed as that then it still counts. Cait is a mega slut and no one expected anything otherwise after that was established. Ryn was established as submissive, in love with you, expressed a desire to be a real woman, and doesn't actively engage in sex with others. Personally, fucking around dosn't matter too much to me but marriage and children should be optionally exclusive between you and the NPC, especially if you set them up as romantic. Finding out that Ryn suddenly cares about her dick and will have a child with someone else is extremely disappointing.
 

Jwow3

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I kind of see the whole thing with Ryn a bit similarly to Azyrran's whole thing with Liaden.

Etheryn really latches onto you not only because you basically solve her and by extension her peoples' whole corruption of their queen and city problem all by yourself when no one else they were "friends" with does shit but also because you can unlock her depraved submissive tendencies further or encourage her and give her the only self-confidence she's ever really had without necessarily starting a romantic relationship with her from your side. She very clearly falls in love with the champion and asks their opinion on state matters as well as favours cleaning up the realm. I believe she also mentions wanting to become fully female at some point but I'm not sure.

To have a character become so attached to yours, and be leading them through the most significant, impactful events of their young-ish (cause she's an elf) life only for them to give you an ultimatum about babies later on goes against the grain, especially when you consider that this is a smut game based on you making choices as the MC to influence the plot.

Azyrran is the same to me. You find her chilling outside her hive not knowing what to do. You swoop in, woo the stripes off of her, save her hive, save her mom, find a paladin to un-corrupt her family and home, and then take her with you on merry adventures while you to bask in your budding loving relationship. Only for her to then hit you with a "by the way I'm having sex with that paladin chick you hooked me up with regardless of what you think and no you can't join cause she's super lez and I can hide it from you and pretend like it's not happening if you want." It seems very out of character for Azyrran and once again removes your choice from the game about choices.

I mean if Arona fucked around and told you about it I wouldn't mind since it's a big part of her personality and character. Ryn and Azzy on the other hand are written very much more as champion-centric lovers until they tossed in random twists. Ironically if you dom Arona I think she more or less only fucks other companions or important NPC's with your say so (the hordes of off screen bitches you never see in game notwithstanding). Isn't that a twist on character development.
 

Konstantinus

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And do not forget, with Azyrran the outlash whas so much, that they did an option where she stayed exclusive saying that she did not thought we would mind having a bit of lesfun while we are away because it is common under hornets but if we are not feeling well with it she stays alone eagerly waiting for us.
More problem I see right now with Azy and Brienne milking each other.
Because the scene is written like they are doing it behind and you have to reclaim Brienne while it should actually be more like you do not mind of those two get more in sync while you can not share a bed with them right now.
 

Jwow3

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And do not forget, with Azyrran the outlash whas so much, that they did an option where she stayed exclusive saying that she did not thought we would mind having a bit of lesfun while we are away because it is common under hornets but if we are not feeling well with it she stays alone eagerly waiting for us.
More problem I see right now with Azy and Brienne milking each other.
Because the scene is written like they are doing it behind and you have to reclaim Brienne while it should actually be more like you do not mind of those two get more in sync while you can not share a bed with them right now.
AFAIK the Azyrran work around was just her not telling you anything about her relationship with Liaden not stopping it altogether. It just effectively removes that content from the game for you but doesn't address the core issue that a person who is in love with you decides to start a new relationship with someone she barely knows without caring at all about your opinion on the matter and when asked if you can join she sides with the new person above you, says she has to fuck around for racial reasons, and says she'll hide her fucking other people from you but won't stop.

Azyrran is the sweetest of all the companions and was my bet for the best straight up monogamous relationship or at least real relationship since Arona is kind of more of a best friend fuck buddy but they kinda threw that option out the window with the Liaden thing. You would expect Azzy to tell Liaden that she's not doing it unless Liaden lets you join not the other way around based on your history but I guess we can't do anything about that now can we.
 
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Did that post on Fen's site about Tobs new game get removed?
I was really hoping the post was still up in hopes of seeing the juicy comments.
Thankfully, that was an April Fool's joke.

Azyrran is the same to me. You find her chilling outside her hive not knowing what to do. You swoop in, woo the stripes off of her, save her hive, save her mom, find a paladin to un-corrupt her family and home, and then take her with you on merry adventures while you to bask in your budding loving relationship. Only for her to then hit you with a "by the way I'm having sex with that paladin chick you hooked me up with regardless of what you think and no you can't join cause she's super lez and I can hide it from you and pretend like it's not happening if you want." It seems very out of character for Azyrran and once again removes your choice from the game about choices.
Yeah, they didn't telegraph that well at all. Azzy seemed extremely champion-centric, until she just comes up to you at the bar one day and admits she has a crush on Liaden. Even then that didn't throw me off, because I thought Liaden was pretty interesting so I was ok with it, I even wanted scenes with her for the Player. Then out of nowhere they throw in the whole "Hornets are polygamous and sleep around all the time, despite how I've been acting towards you the whole time," bullshit. Which still wasn't quite enough to make me hate it, however I instantly started ignoring Azzy after being told that I wasn't allowed to be involved because Liaden wasn't interested in dudes. It came out of nowhere, and just wasn't handled that well at all. So now Azzy is significantly lower on my companion tier list because of it.
 
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WazaQQXOXO

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For the amount of money he's raking in and for the team he has accrued, I've seen better effort put forth in various branching and even reworking past scenes from one man teams than I have anything on this game. There really isn't an excuse when you look at the money they're making. They can finance it.
To avoid any confusion, I do no condone the way the dev are handling Etheryn pregnancy branch. At the time, it sounded that funding was not an issue: they just do not want to put any effort towards an actual sex-change branch.
 

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Yep, TOBS can't even do an April Fool's joke without posting a wall of text.

Seems like in this game there are so many folks who either throw themselves at you either like the first time they meet you, or spend any sort of time with you. Then there are others who for whatever reason are just the opposite -- off limits to the MC for whatever reason.

I wish they would make Liaden an option for female/lesbian folks. But that doesn't seem to be in the offing either. I think all you get is one scene as a 3-some with Azzy. And even then, isn't it just a one-off? At least I haven't gotten it again.
 
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Konstantinus

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AFAIK the Azyrran work around was just her not telling you anything about her relationship with Liaden not stopping it altogether. It just effectively removes that content from the game for you but doesn't address the core issue that a person who is in love with you decides to start a new relationship with someone she barely knows without caring at all about your opinion on the matter and when asked if you can join she sides with the new person above you, says she has to fuck around for racial reasons, and says she'll hide her fucking other people from you but won't stop.
What I ment whas exactly when she thought about it and ask you for help you can now say, you will not help.
Then she says she will not try to start something with her, as before she only knew, that it is common to share skinship between sisters, but if you are not comfortable, she will refrain from doing so, as you are more important for her.
 

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To avoid any confusion, I do no condone the way the dev are handling Etheryn pregnancy branch. At the time, it sounded that funding was not an issue: they just do not want to put any effort towards an actual sex-change branch.
Yep so it does just come down to laziness and them thinking they know best when people tell them they don't again and again.
 

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So I've progressed the Calise questline to the end and it just says, this is as far as this quest progresses for now, with no mention of a part 2. The only other thing mentioned is a naval fleet being prepped and Wayfort bridge but there's nothing there. Is this a bug?
 
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WazaQQXOXO

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Yep so it does just come down to laziness and them thinking they know best when people tell them they don't again and again.
The thing is, the only way to make them pay attention to the voiced complaints is to hurt what matters the most, the pay check. Money keeps rolling in every month, it won't stop unless the paying subscribers decide they had enough, they will to put a stop to it. I am pretty confident in saying that will never happen.
 

Lord Kentus

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The thing is, the only way to make them pay attention to the voiced complaints is to hurt what matters the most, the pay check. Money keeps rolling in every month, it won't stop unless the paying subscribers decide they had enough, they will to put a stop to it. I am pretty confident in saying that will never happen.
They chased off the audience that did call them out on it a long time ago so probably not, hardly advertises this as an ideal product though
 

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Apparently Sav thinks he'll be done with Ryn's questline by the end of May, so we'll finally have her cage off. But that doesn't include any post cage-removal scenes, which is kinda disappointing.

Also, KM probably won't be done this year, which makes me sad because I really want to see Wsan get back to his personal projects.
 

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Apparently Sav thinks he'll be done with Ryn's questline by the end of May, so we'll finally have her cage off. But that doesn't include any post cage-removal scenes, which is kinda disappointing.

Also, KM probably won't be done this year, which makes me sad because I really want to see Wsan get back to his personal projects.
The Longer they take, the More money they can milk out of everyone. They found out from COC1 they only have to do 1/3 of the actual work ( Stuff they like themselves ) and let some poor bastards who are sick of their shit if they piss em off enough, to make COC2 MOD and finish everything that needs to be fix, which is everything. Oh look lets just do 1 piss ass story path, cause why do all the work, when they could do it for us, and we can totally take CREDIT for the coc2 mod afterward, not to mention we can milk all these twits we didn't chase off for calling us out on that bs. -_- such a disappointment. I am glad I get this game for free, and I feel sorry for the ones who post the paid versions of it for us, since they are so getting cheated. (technically not if they don't feel cheated) but eh....
 

Skandranon

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The Longer they take, the More money they can milk out of everyone. They found out from COC1 they only have to do 1/3 of the actual work ( Stuff they like themselves ) and let some poor bastards who are sick of their shit if they piss em off enough, to make COC2 MOD and finish everything that needs to be fix, which is everything. Oh look lets just do 1 piss ass story path, cause why do all the work, when they could do it for us, and we can totally take CREDIT for the coc2 mod afterward, not to mention we can milk all these twits we didn't chase off for calling us out on that bs. -_- such a disappointment. I am glad I get this game for free, and I feel sorry for the ones who post the paid versions of it for us, since they are so getting cheated. (technically not if they don't feel cheated) but eh....
Jesus, dude.
Can there not be a single neutral post about the game without...this?
 

ankhtar

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The Neutral Train (patent pending) left the station a long time ago when it comes to this game, at least here. I'd venture a guess and say 98% of the folks here, myself included, are sick and tired of the devs/writers nonsense and definitely aren't shy to inform you about anything and everything negative concerning the game, which is, quite frankly, the overwhelming majority of it.

Given that they also chase off (i.e: ban) any form of criticism, no matter how constructive, from that self-contained echo chamber they call "forum", the only posts you'll find about this game are going to be either negative (the realistic, not curated ones), or the overwhelmingly positive in that forum of theirs, because if you don't shower them with lavish praise and offer them your undying devotion over there, you'll just be banned like all the others who made the most heinous mistake of pointing out flaws in their game.
 

Skandranon

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The Neutral Train (patent pending) left the station a long time ago when it comes to this game, at least here. I'd venture a guess and say 98% of the folks here, myself included, are sick and tired of the devs/writers nonsense and definitely aren't shy to inform you about anything and everything negative concerning the game, which is, quite frankly, the overwhelming majority of it.

Given that they also chase off (i.e: ban) any form of criticism, no matter how constructive, from that self-contained echo chamber they call "forum", the only posts you'll find about this game are going to be either negative (the realistic, not curated ones), or the overwhelmingly positive in that forum of theirs, because if you don't shower them with lavish praise and offer them your undying devotion over there, you'll just be banned like all the others who made the most heinous mistake of pointing out flaws in their game.
You realize that makes this also an echo chamber, just with a different set of opinions?

And idk, I've seen and participated in plenty of criticism of the game on the other forum. I've gone on at length about not liking Cait, Brienne, Kas's plotline, stuff about Gweyr etc and never been close to being banned. There's a whole thread about criticisms of the game that's one of the most popular threads on there.

Whereas here, I post, literally, a timeline update that has no positive or negative connotations whatsoever and get random unrelated word vomit about how much the devs suck almost immediately.

Heck, it's hard to talk about what I don't like about the game here because people exaggerate and blow everything about this game out of proportion.
 
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