jfmherokiller

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well I mean they wrote the demon queen in such a way that she is agreeable combined with possibly current year cultural sensibilities. Combine that with her having ironicly possibly some of the best art.
 
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well I mean they wrote the demon queen in such a way that she is agreeable combined with possibly current year cultural sensibilities. Combine that with her having ironicly possibly some of the best art.
It also helps that everyone is already acting like they're super corrupted anyway so it isn't even that big of a change other than that some are red now.
 

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Man been a while since I've checked in, wonder what's new-

It's not even the first time he's done this. Cassidy was a NPC in the dead Fall of Eden who was another project built off pure spite from the Helspawn debacle. Her whole backstory is being the grand-daughter of Helspawn who ran away from home because the PC wanted to fuck her, and her whole character revolves around not wanting to get into a relationship with you. The obsession Tobs have with this thing that didn't even involve him is pretty fucking insane.
Oh snaps new lore update! Always enjoy a new bit of fuckery to add to the pile. And he was indeed telling the truth.



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Not gonna lie, I am kinda curious how persistent folks were with the requests for offspring boinking. Like was it really that bad? Or was it one of them situations where if you saw it you would go "that's it?" and they flipped the fuck out anyway.
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I'd respect the hustle if their salt wasn't so sad. What does TOBS even have to do with all this in the first place, like was he even around back during CoC1 or does he just enjoy jumping for Savin with these "spite projects"? Like I really find weird why he seems to have such a hateboner that he did this twice :unsure:
 

jfmherokiller

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played a bit of FoE i because i was chasing my transformation high and while it has nice TF's its pretty bland and you can see the salt right out of the gate.
 

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All this does is further confirm that their player base sucks! As if we needed that confirmation. Redeem her, don't redeem her. I just like the character. I don't even like the whore archetype and I'm all in for her. There's a level of looseness that not even I touch in porn games. And that bitch is as loose as a pair of 30XL pants. Yet here we are.

We get to dom the big bad dommy mommy. We get to put the chinks in the "I can't feel love!" armor. That. Shit. Is. Hawt! Nothing hotter then making an enemy or evil being. Go against their very nature for you. She thinks she's slowly getting to us. But it is we who get to slowly corrupt her with love and compassion! Y'all can't tell me y'all did that Halloween picnic event and ain't feel nothing. Instead of playing hide the salami with a being that embodies the game. We could make her cuddle instead and start to like it.

Matter of fact, don't even redeem her. She don't need to be a good and kind for the rest of the world. That contrast in personality makes it even better. And I like the idea of making the big evil assume the position. As long as she's warm to me, fuck everybody else.
 

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All this does is further confirm that their player base sucks! As if we needed that confirmation. Redeem her, don't redeem her. I just like the character. I don't even like the whore archetype and I'm all in for her. There's a level of looseness that not even I touch in porn games. And that bitch is as loose as a pair of 30XL pants. Yet here we are.

We get to dom the big bad dommy mommy. We get to put the chinks in the "I can't feel love!" armor. That. Shit. Is. Hawt! Nothing hotter then making an enemy or evil being. Go against their very nature for you. She thinks she's slowly getting to us. But it is we who get to slowly corrupt her with love and compassion! Y'all can't tell me y'all did that Halloween picnic event and ain't feel nothing. Instead of playing hide the salami with a being that embodies the game. We could make her cuddle instead and start to like it.

Matter of fact, don't even redeem her. She don't need to be a good and kind for the rest of the world. That contrast in personality makes it even better. And I like the idea of making the big evil assume the position. As long as she's warm to me, fuck everybody else.
It would be nice except for one thing/problem : we don't get to seduce her in the game, she is already weirdly and against her corrupt modus operanti obsessed with the mc to the point of not enslaving them as soon as she can. We can choose to be seduced by her or not but there is no seducing her. We either reciprocate her feelings or not.
A more romantic version of Ceraph would have been great but it's not what we got.
In essence there is a power fantasy here, simply by being the mc at the first encounter without doing anything the bad demon mommy was seduced.
 

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Oh snaps new lore update! Always enjoy a new bit of fuckery to add to the pile. And he was indeed telling the truth.



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Not gonna lie, I am kinda curious how persistent folks were with the requests for offspring boinking. Like was it really that bad? Or was it one of them situations where if you saw it you would go "that's it?" and they flipped the fuck out anyway.
They started working on an incest route and there was like one scene you could access ingame before they abandoned it. Instead of removing the abandoned content they just left it in leading to people constantly bugging them to finish it. The wiki says Savin was open to letting other people write it.

So no, there was no big moral grandstand against the incest crowd harassing the devs. Just like the rest of CoC1 they just didn't feel like finishing it.

Tobs was never involved with any of this and I don't know why he's neurotic about it.
 

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It would be nice except for one thing/problem : we don't get to seduce her in the game, she is already weirdly and against her corrupt modus operanti obsessed with the mc to the point of not enslaving them as soon as she can. We can choose to be seduced by her or not but there is no seducing her. We either reciprocate her feelings or not.
A more romantic version of Ceraph would have been great but it's not what we got.
In essence there is a power fantasy here, simply by being the mc at the first encounter without doing anything the bad demon mommy was seduced.
Why enslave us? She leaves us to our own devices to become stronger. Matter of fact, she's kinda hands off a lot. Like with the hornet hive, alraune, and the centaur village. She came in, skeeted, then left like a father going for a pack of smokes. Only returning in bad ends. Most of our hinderances to her are small potatoes compared to what she gets out of our soul maturing. Plus outside of that, this is a basic trope. Big bad/adversary wanting the hero to get stronger for x reason. Tolerating all the plan interference for that purpose. And I mean sure we don't exactly seduce her. But she's a interdimensional whore of the highest caliber. Being able to seduce her ain't exactly a point of pride.

But the feelings we alone can elicit from her? That's where the money shot is. Even if she plays her cards right with us. And we give into her seduction. We don't have to do anything more. We play our cards right with her? She changes. She becomes more loving. She becomes more affectionate. She shows concern for us outside of just wanting our soul. And that's the part that I like. A slow corruption just in the other direction. We go from being someone of interest and her just wanting our soul. To still wanting our soul, but pretty much hubby. Her feelings were lust, sex, soul. By the end it's much more then that. Legit mutual affection.

I mean sure, it could've been done better. But we're playing CoC2. What couldn't be done better in this game?
 

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They started working on an incest route and there was like one scene you could access ingame before they abandoned it. Instead of removing the abandoned content they just left it in leading to people constantly bugging them to finish it. The wiki says Savin was open to letting other people write it.

So no, there was no big moral grandstand against the incest crowd harassing the devs. Just like the rest of CoC1 they just didn't feel like finishing it.

Tobs was never involved with any of this and I don't know why he's neurotic about it.
Tobs started riding Savin's dick (metaphorically) while they worked on FOE together. Then (in my opinion) torpedoed the project so it wouldn't compete with CoC2.
 

jfmherokiller

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"vaguely within the same universe" is giving them a bit too much credit, imo
well it seems i still have some hope in this devteam even tho I have been shafted so many times. That or I am waiting for the mods to flow like wine.

In any case reading the dev logs sometimes makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
 
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That's actually not a bad call at all. I probably wouldn't mind that redemption route. Shame I don't trust CoC2 to handle a proper redemption route that delivers but hey, at least there's that.

Why enslave us? She leaves us to our own devices to become stronger. Matter of fact, she's kinda hands off a lot. Like with the hornet hive, alraune, and the centaur village. She came in, skeeted, then left like a father going for a pack of smokes. Only returning in bad ends. Most of our hinderances to her are small potatoes compared to what she gets out of our soul maturing. Plus outside of that, this is a basic trope. Big bad/adversary wanting the hero to get stronger for x reason. Tolerating all the plan interference for that purpose. And I mean sure we don't exactly seduce her. But she's a interdimensional whore of the highest caliber. Being able to seduce her ain't exactly a point of pride.

But the feelings we alone can elicit from her? That's where the money shot is. Even if she plays her cards right with us. And we give into her seduction. We don't have to do anything more. We play our cards right with her? She changes. She becomes more loving. She becomes more affectionate. She shows concern for us outside of just wanting our soul. And that's the part that I like. A slow corruption just in the other direction. We go from being someone of interest and her just wanting our soul. To still wanting our soul, but pretty much hubby. Her feelings were lust, sex, soul. By the end it's much more then that. Legit mutual affection.

I mean sure, it could've been done better. But we're playing CoC2. What couldn't be done better in this game?
...Shit, I dunno. Guess the art part is an improvement though I wasn't exactly dying for that when I played the old one.

Make an actual sequel to CoC1 and not something that feels vaguely within the same universe as CoC1.
That makes me think, though. That FoE diatribe sounds like it was a sequel of sorts to CoC1 and it doesn't feel like it was that promising and then we got this thing.

You'd think people would've looked at that and figured out it'd probably be for the best to hand control of that to someone else.
 
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