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Eryka would be cool as a companion, but I like Viv too. (sigh) why can't we have both? Oh right Savin...
 

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Eryka would be cool as a companion, but I like Viv too. (sigh) why can't we have both? Oh right Savin...
Companions are restricted to the staff, for a matter of compromise to the project and reliability.

You write a companion, you have to be constatly adding content for them, reacting to the missions and events of the world, helping the PC deal with truoubles and challenges on quests, creating sets for them, varying degrees of character development...

Writing a companion is a huge responsibility, one that you have to fulfill for years.

Eryka is not a companion because her writer, Franks, didn't make one. Whether the reason was because they didn't want to or lack of time with real life demands taking priority, it is what it is.
 

hater45

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I was mainly talking about porn games.

Also, wasn't big on the first one, dunno if I'll ever get to the second.
Wish fulfillment and power fantasies go hand in hand so porn games kind of fall into those two. CoC 2 problem is that Savin hates power fantasies, yet the game has power fantasy since everyone finds you attractive regardless of who you are. You are chosen by the main villain due to your soul, but you are not some chosen hero by the gods. There is too many clashing ideas here because in terms of power you are the weakest in your party, but still desired by everyone. Like I said, they don't really have the talent to do a DnD esque game because their own pride gets in the way to adapt.
 

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In theory, not much in practice.
HugsAlright left due to mental issues, and when he tried to come back he acted in such toxic ways the staff had to kick him out. So Berwyn got downgraded from Companion to NPC because the staff didn't want to give the burden of writing a second companion to any of the writers.

BubbleLord has a lot of things in real life, which is why Quintillus and his other projects are so slow to update. But more content is coming soon.
 
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Wish fulfillment and power fantasies go hand in hand so porn games kind of fall into those two. CoC 2 problem is that Savin hates power fantasies, yet the game has power fantasy since everyone finds you attractive regardless of who you are. You are chosen by the main villain due to your soul, but you are not some chosen hero by the gods. There is too many clashing ideas here because in terms of power you are the weakest in your party, but still desired by everyone. Like I said, they don't really have the talent to do a DnD esque game because their own pride gets in the way to adapt.
Fitting name you have, not to mention our numbers.

This is a porn game, so having most of the sexable NPCs being down to fuck with the PCs at some point is kind of a given.

You are not chosen by the gods, but they are interested in the PC's soul, too. You can become one, if you desire. But it doesn't make you OP.
 

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"Whe have plenty of female companions, some with very little content. Should we expand on their content?"
"Nah bro, let's toss another fem companion in the pile"
God fucking damnit. Well, fingers crossed we can give her a dick like with Agni. Probably not, though.
 

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"Whe have plenty of female companions, some with very little content. Should we expand on their content?"
"Nah bro, let's toss another fem companion in the pile"
God fucking damnit. Well, fingers crossed we can give her a dick like with Agni. Probably not, though.
She can transform into both a futa and a dude, if I remember right.
 
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Amnelis

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Wish fulfillment and power fantasies go hand in hand so porn games kind of fall into those two. CoC 2 problem is that Savin hates power fantasies, yet the game has power fantasy since everyone finds you attractive regardless of who you are. You are chosen by the main villain due to your soul, but you are not some chosen hero by the gods. There is too many clashing ideas here because in terms of power you are the weakest in your party, but still desired by everyone. Like I said, they don't really have the talent to do a DnD esque game because their own pride gets in the way to adapt.
Spot on. The game does have its share of power fantasy content so that is why it's puzzling why Savin is so vocally against them. His idea of fixing that inconsistency is then removing choices in certain scenes where they should absolutely be available to put the MC in their place and remind them they're not the center of the universe. Meanwhile you can not only have sex with pretty much anyone but they'll instantly fall in love with you, you amass titles & special weapons, you are literally on a quest to save the world from a interdimensional demon but when it comes to certain interactions & choices (in a game that should be all about them) you are made into the third wheel or helpless mumbling idiot.

I don't know if he genuinelly believes that's somehow a deep subversion of anything or he really just enjoys adding these dumb punishments through the game. I'm not huge on power fantasies but they should make up their minds & go all the way in either direction rather than the current frustrating push and pull we have.
 

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Companions are restricted to the staff, for a matter of compromise to the project and reliability.

You write a companion, you have to be constatly adding content for them, reacting to the missions and events of the world, helping the PC deal with truoubles and challenges on quests, creating sets for them, varying degrees of character development...

Writing a companion is a huge responsibility, one that you have to fulfill for years.

Eryka is not a companion because her writer, Franks, didn't make one. Whether the reason was because they didn't want to or lack of time with real life demands taking priority, it is what it is.
You're kidding right? More than half the companions are not and have not been constantly getting content added to them. So much for your compromise of reliability.
 

hater45

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Fitting name you have, not to mention our numbers.

This is a porn game, so having most of the sexable NPCs being down to fuck with the PCs at some point is kind of a given.

You are not chosen by the gods, but they are interested in the PC's soul, too. You can become one, if you desire. But it doesn't make you OP.
Porn is a wish fulfillment/ power fantasy genre of entertainment so that is a total given for the amount of sexable NPC. It is why I don't understand if you hate that then why write for it? Some of the "gods" already have their champions so your soul is unneeded, but then we run into a issue. That undead goddesses gave her champion bullshit op powers but the other "gods" give you scraps???? As of now we don't know why our soul is special, or if we do I haven't seen it since I kind of speed read at points due to being bored reading some of the lore. At least have them act the the Daedra and give you powerful tools in exchange for you soul so you can be a huge dick and have them fight each other for it when you die.
 

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You're kidding right? More than half the companions are not and have not been constantly getting content added to them. So much for your compromise of reliability.
Because the writers are not JUST writing the companions. Several NPCs, zones, quests, having to edit or add things...

Gardeford is currently finishing the Lumian Keep in the Glacial Rift, which will introduce Valkyries, Lumia and add content for his companion, Atugia.

And Savin is finishing the confrontation with Demon Alissa, which will advance and unlock more of Etheryn's content. Including uncaging her.

Brint and Brienne are advancing too; more development for them and their family is on the works.

B is currently working on a project for TiTS, but be sure they'll be back with more Agnimitra.
 

Dreamer44

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Porn is a wish fulfillment/ power fantasy genre of entertainment so that is a total given for the amount of sexable NPC. It is why I don't understand if you hate that then why write for it? Some of the "gods" already have their champions so your soul is unneeded, but then we run into a issue. That undead goddesses gave her champion bullshit op powers but the other "gods" give you scraps???? As of now we don't know why our soul is special, or if we do I haven't seen it since I kind of speed read at points due to being bored reading some of the lore. At least have them act the the Daedra and give you powerful tools in exchange for you soul so you can be a huge dick and have them fight each other for it when you die.
It IS said why the PC's soul is special. But if you don't read in a text game, you can't blame the writers.

Becoming a soulbound to a god gives powers and skills, and changes how certain NPCs react to you, but it doesn't give you story breaker powers. What would be the point of having battles, then?

And Keros the Trickster God tells you they'd seen that trick before, and won't fall for it. So if you soulbound to one, you can't barter your already taken soul to other.
 

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Talking of RPGs, imo at its core a power-fantasy is nothing more than a regular RPG that puts the PC at the centre of its narrative while providing a multitude of paths and one optimal one, that you usually can go down by going the extra mile. So while functionally a power-fantasy because of the porn aspect, i still wouldn't call this game one because it often just lacks the most basic of choices (beyond sex stuff). And i think it does so because the writers' perspective just intrudes too often on their writing.

Like, from the writer's perspective the foxes weren't meant to come across as a bunch of soul-sucking assholes, so you can't talk back to them. Mallachites weren't meant to come across as a weird grooming cult, so they're the best people ever and here's your temple. Everyone practices slavery, but because reasons only the orcs are bad for doing it and just accept it. Gweyr the kidsslayer and Kiyoko the terrible mother are actually upstanding citizens, so god forbid you ever question them. The Champions needs to like Cait because she's actually lovely, the Champions needs to be Agni's whipping boy because she's actually just spunky, and so forth and so on.

It's honestly odd. Those themes and characters wouldn't even feel bad, in absense of choice, if they were treated with a measure of awareness, but it's all just so biased. Don't question anything and like what we like, kinda thing. Which is why i think Wsan is as appreciated as he is around here. He doesn't provide much choice either, and he doesn't write the most complex of characters/situations, but at least he doesn't impose controversial takes on the player/character.
 
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