Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.35] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[gz27]

Kinda depends what you're looking for, if you want a pretty big collection of erotic fiction in a somewhat cohesive setting then it's not bad. It mostly caters to male/female, female/female and futa/any though so if you're looking for male/male stuff you'll probably be a bit let down.

If you're looking for something with engaging gameplay there's not much to speak of besides simple puzzles and very binary combat (you mostly get oneshot or oneshot them). If you're looking for a complete story then I think they're still under half way with that.

Hmmmm, lack of Male/Male is a bit disappointed tbh, but I'm kinda used to that these days. I guess I'll give it a spin, can live with just one shotting everything

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Jesus Christ, I have been ignoring this game for a while because I was waiting for it to get more content, and I come back to just whatever the hell is going on in here.
Anyway, game any good now? Last time I checked it, it was just released so it was barebones

Game certainly has more content than it had at the beginning. But I wouldn't call it a good game as a whole.
Better approach would be to dissect it into several chunks of content from different writers and engage them separately.

For example, if you don't like being raped/dominated by futas(chicks with dicks) - you'll have to avoid the third of entire character roster in this game. Because there's a whole lot of futas, and almost all of them follow the same exact archetype of mean, domineering asshole.

 

[cannon9009]

Game certainly has more content than it had at the beginning. But I wouldn't call it a good game as a whole.
Better approach would be to dissect it into several chunks of content from different writers and engage them separately.

For example, if you don't like being raped/dominated by futas(chicks with dicks) - you'll have to avoid the third of all characters in this game. Because there's a whole lot of futas, almost all of them follow the same exact archetype of mean, domineering asshole.

To be fair, if I could sexually dominate both males and females, I'd probably turn into a cocky asshole too. Thank god I can't do either... or I might never have seen what's going on in this thread right now!

 

[devilaffect]

This reads like blatant whataboutism and I don't even know what the fuck is happening. Do you see where that might be an issue?

I was directly called out for being bullheaded and combative despite remaining fairly level headed with the vast majority of the people here and only leveled insults to two people who very much insulted me first, which many more have and continue to do. Maybe three if you count HiredGun. Also, I've tried to be pretty clear how I feel about the devs and their relationship. Further expanding upon by clarifying where my stances are coming from and how I'm thinking about it is not whataboutism. This is a limited medium for discussion and I very much might not be expressing my opinions as accurately as I possibly could, but I'm hardly sitting down to write out my thesis and having it proofread, and externally coordinating with peers to make sure my points are coming across. Does that seem reasonable?

Also, what you are doing is much closer to whataboutism considering you had to cut out huge swathes of my response to present a counter-point that wasn't relevant to the conversation. Edit: Which I guess I kinda also just did.

 

[cannon9009]

I was directly called out for being bullheaded and combative despite remaining fairly level headed with the vast majority of the people here and only leveled insults to two people who very much insulted me first.

From what I've read, you started out the gate being bullheaded, against something that looked like a very clear joke.

Also, I've tried to be pretty clear how I feel about the devs and their relationship. Further expanding upon by clarifying where my stances are coming from and how I'm thinking about it is not whataboutism.

Turning the blame to the people shitting on them,

It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

is, you guessed it, whataboutism.

This is a limited medium for discussion

Limited by you starting out of the gate not being very easy to talk to.

and I very much might not be expressing my opinions as accurately as I possibly could

You think?

but I'm sitting down to write out my thesis and have it proofread with external coordination to make sure my points are coming across.

You should do more proofreading. And maybe something to take the edge off.

Also, what you are doing is much closer to whataboutism considering you had to cut out huge swathes of my response

No, calling out whataboutism isn't whataboutism. Who am I even pointing towards with that? Who are you seeing in that strange mind of yours that's being defended with that? The one guy you insulted like 100 posts ago that I don't even know about?

to present a counter-point that wasn't relevant to the conversation.

Yeah, almost like I literally stated in the post that I have zero clue what's happening, and that's why the whataboutism was pointed out, because of how easy it was to point it out despite having zero clue what's happening. Good job for pointing out that I'm jumping into the conversation completely blind, you get an A for effort.

 

[Vyran22]

I hope this dude is getting paid for all his yapping trying to stand in front of people who are, trying to deflect blame off of them by casting it upon faceless and nameless masses who "harass" them.... on the internet.


I'd hate to think he was doing it for free

 

[devilaffect]

From what I've read, you started out the gate being bullheaded, against something that looked like a very clear joke.

It started out with an outright lie that Will had project after project denied while he was a staff writer, which is just untrue. That does not seem like a joke to me.

Turning the blame to the people shitting on them,

Correcting actual inaccuracies, including my own that have been brought up is not shitting on people. I would never say them bringing the Bubble situation to my attention is me being shit on. Trying to point out holes in people's logic is not shitting on them. When I try to convince them to be more critical of a snippet of a conversation that obviously had some amount of lead up, may have been a progression of events, and may have been purposefully cut short without additional context is not me trying to shit on somebody. What I want is to put aside any preconceived notion that somebody is 100% good or bad when examining the evidence for what it is by identifying it's weaknesses and how it ties into other direct pieces of evidence.

is, you guessed it, whataboutism.

whataboutism, the

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practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.

I didn't make a counteraccusation, I didn't ask a question, and it's not a different issue all together. It's a clarification as to why I'm at least somewhat charitable to Tobs. Having large groups of people hate you for a long period isn't going to give you a reason to back down. Even when the minority is at fault.

Limited by you starting out of the gate not being very easy to talk to.

What do you think I could do better?

You should do more proofreading. And maybe something to take the edge off.

I'm far from screaming at my monitor. I would have walked away the first day if any of this was actually bothering me.

No, calling out whataboutism isn't whataboutism. Who am I even pointing towards with that? Who are you seeing in that strange mind of yours that's being defended with that? The one guy you insulted like 100 posts ago that I don't even know about?

It literally is if you use it to pivot away from every other point.

Yeah, almost like I literally stated in the post that I have zero clue what's happening, and that's why the whataboutism was pointed out, because of how easy it was to point it out despite having zero clue what's happening. Good job for pointing out that I'm jumping into the conversation completely blind, you get an A for effort.

You can't point out whataboutism if you don't know what the actual argument is...

 

[cannon9009]

It started out with an outright lie that Will had project after project denied while he was a staff writer, which is just untrue. That does not seem like a joke to me.

responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.

It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

I made the text bigger. I hope that helps you.

What do you think I could do better?

See reply 1 for an example of what not to do.

I'm far from screaming at my monitor. I would have walked away the first day if any of this was actually bothering me.

Walking away would have been way, way, waaaay better than digging a giant hole in front of us.

It literally is if you use it to pivot away from every other point.

You literally know the definition of whataboutism, what "point" am I pivoting from? And where am I going with it? And what am I saying that's raising an issue that I feel like is more important than anything else? All I did was say "This sounds like whataboutism", a completely random and offhand statement that I wanted to bring up because it seemed relevant. If that's somehow me pivoting from a point or issue that I'm not even paying attention to, I guess I've somehow been in this conversation longer than I thought. Whoops!

You can't point out whataboutism if you don't know what the actual argument is...

Uh, no, you definitely can. Considering the main whataboutism I'm hanging on to is more or less able to be sniffed out in a single sentence... It's always important to make your argument look good to people who are outside of the discussion!

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

YOOOO! Not going to lie I haven't had this much fun reading a thread, this is legit better than what's being put out barring some gem community writers (they know themselves ). From NPCs getting cooked to guest appearances from community Legends. This is too fun

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Damn, didn't expect the CoC2 drama Lore to run tht deep, its like they're stuck in highschool or something. Just always looking to one-up each other or needling the other in the mundane but stinging way tht hurts. 10 years of development and it seem Sav n Co have learned nothing on how to be professional.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

yet

Honestly, it'd probably be the one dickgirl/girl transformation I'd be down with. tho his character was lame to begin with.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

A lot of things have been outright abandoned over the years.


Hmm...
This doesn't work unless you're willing to hold both sides to the same standard. Stating, "Both sides have issues," and then proceeding to only label the issues of a single group while glossing over the issues provided by the other isn't arbitration. This isn't going to work.

Note that I'm going to be reposting lots of things we've already discussed in the past, including screenshots.

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He doesn't care.
This isn't a platform where a person weighs the sins of their soul against the writers of a furry porn game.

It moments like this that makes me love this dude. Gives his option, states facts when they're relevant. Drop Receipts like Bombs!

 

[devilaffect]

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That's not the start of this and no I would not say that's a joke considering how he feels about Tobs. That would be nothing short of an insult to refer to a person as somebody you despise.

I made the text bigger. I hope that helps you.

Yes, that is part of my argument. Groups of people who hate you are much scarier than any one individual. I don't think it's crazy to say that

See reply 1 for an example of what not to do.

And you are right, which is why I unignored him and actually tried to have a conversation on people getting banned for no reason. Which was ignored.

You literally know the definition of whataboutism, what "point" am I pivoting from? And where am I going with it? And what am I saying that's raising an issue that I feel like is more important than anything else? All I did was say "This sounds like whataboutism", a completely random and offhand statement that I wanted to bring up because it seemed relevant. If that's somehow me pivoting from a point or issue that I'm not even paying attention to, I guess I've somehow been in this conversation longer than I thought. Whoops!

You ignored an entire to post to call a small portion of my argument whataboutism. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intentionally try to pivot, but taking a single part of an argument proceeding ignore the rest of that point and not mentioning other points could easily be viewed as pivoting. Now if you just wanted discuss it possibly being whataboutism that is fair. It just doesn't look great if that isn't explicitly stated that that is your goal.

Uh, no, you definitely can. Considering the main whataboutism I'm hanging on to is more or less able to be sniffed out in a single sentence... It's always important to make your argument look good to people who are outside of the discussion!

It literally hinges on knowing the argument. You can't deflect away from an argument if you don't know where it stands. Not to mention how Tobs views the community and how it may have affected his follow-up reactions is absolutely relevant to the discussion.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

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He's been doing this for days now. It's literally gone around in circles on the same fucking points twice and he immediately jumped to the "bad faith" shtick the second he was faced with a point he couldn't argue his way out of. Whether he originally came here in good faith or not, he's just out here to ragebait at this point lmao.

 

[cannon9009]

It literally hinges on knowing the argument. You can't deflect away from an argument if you don't know where it stands. Not to mention how Tobs views the community and how it may have affected his follow-up reactions is absolutely relevant to the discussion.

I'm going to say this again. There is no "deflection" happening. I don't know how you're jumping to that conclusion, and at this point it might as well be that since you're dragged this on for this long, but it was literally just "This smells like whataboutism to me, an outside viewer". The "Do you see why this might be a problem" was, more or less, asking you to consider how your responses might look to outside viewers. Because now me, an outside viewer, is getting onto you for this seemingly off-kilter point that should have honestly just been ignored. At this point, it feels more equal standing to literally just reply to the last thing you say and pretend the rest was somehow related. However, you somehow keep failing to regard that this:

Groups of people who hate you are much scarier than any one individual.

is textbook whataboutism. It may not be cut and dry, but the "stating an issue to divert from another" is there. In fact, it's an even more broader logical fallacy, called "tu quoque". Know what that means? "You also". You can pull up definitions all you want, definitions that you somehow aren't able to apply in a broad sense rather than a textbook sense despite fully knowing them, but saying "But the group is also a problem!!!" is, in no small terms, whataboutism.

 

[PixelLewd]

It's a clarification as to why I'm at least somewhat charitable to Tobs. Having large groups of people hate you for a long period isn't going to give you a reason to back down. Even when the minority is at fault.

Ok, I was just gonna keep sitting on my bum enjoying popcorn while y'all barked at each other, but I keep seeing you say this and I just HAVE to ask and point to it.

WHOMST THE FUCK was hating on Tobs prior to his spite projects?!?!?!

Like seriously WHO?!?!? TOBS was a literal nobody far as I can tell until COC2 with his Kitsunes and then the Kinu drama. I don't think even whatever he may have made for FOE or TiTS got him much attention before then.

So again I ask, WHO THE FUCK are these large groups of people you say were hating on him for so long that it somehow justifies any of the spite projects he's made?!?!?!

 

[daboss456]

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well you managed to own up to what you said and hold yourself accountable so I'll give that atleast. And I'll let you in on a little secret. I was also in that thread.

That's me! and I will also admit that I was pretty frustrated as well. I however do not regret posting this at all. Now let me give you a bit of advice going forward

1. Stop whining. You started this with your passive aggressive bullshit. You should have come prepared for a lot of pushback. constant bitching and moaning about insults and getting called out isn't doing anything to help your case.
2. Stop playing dumb. Nobody here is stupid, we all know damn well that you are not holding the devs to the same standards as everyone else. And no, given that you have no credibility here, no one is just going to take your word for it. Go confront them for their shittyness on their forums or discord in a way we can all verify with the same language and zeal your confronting us with and maybe some people here can buy that you aren't completely full of shit.
3. Stop accusing people of cherry picking, taking things out of context, or arguing in bad faith. No one agreed to have a debate with you. No one is obligated to prove anything to you, or concede anything to you, or even acknowledge you. If you want to convince anyone of anything then EVERYTHING is on you.
4. Focus. Stop arguing about every little thing. You keep letting yourself get pulled every which way in the discussion when you should be focused on getting your point across and nothing else.

If you follow this advice you might start to make some headway.

 

[PixelLewd]

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Like ok I'll add AND state the obvious that there were likely haters even back then, everyone who makes content attracts at least one hater as we know. But I severely doubt he had anywhere near the levels of animosity he gets now back then.

And no, I don't count whatever criticisms existed related to how "Mucho Texto" there is/was/will be in his works count as hate

 

[Ranma]

I will go down in history as a legend. At first, I mainly just wanted to mess with them, but I thought maybe if I just spam comments and annoy them I will get something, and so I kept at it dedication is key and well here we are I got what I wanted, and now I am a legend immortalised like Rome.

As the story goes, Savin and Co.™ continued to answer to Nimbus Commando / HiredGun's repeated requests with:




Until, Savin seemingly having had enough, finally decided to respond, by throwing a massive tantrum.
Which Nimbus Commando / HiredGun took in stride by thinking to himself:

 

[cannon9009]

That's me!

Damn, you got good taste in profile pictures then. Fladdykin is good art.