Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.35] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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cannon9009 said:
I'm going to say this again. There is no "deflection" happening. I don't know how you're jumping to that conclusion, and at this point it might as well be that since you're dragged this on for this long, but it was literally just "This smells like whataboutism to me, an outside viewer". The "Do you see why this might be a problem" was, more or less, asking you to consider how your responses might look to outside viewers. Because now me, an outside viewer, is getting onto you for this seemingly off-kilter point that should have honestly just been ignored. At this point, it feels more equal standing to literally just reply to the last thing you say and pretend the rest was somehow related. However, you somehow keep failing to regard that this:

is textbook whataboutism. It may not be cut and dry, but the "stating an issue to divert from another" is there. In fact, it's an even more broader logical fallacy, called "tu quoque". Know what that means? "You also". You can pull up definitions all you want, definitions that you somehow aren't able to apply in a broad sense rather than a textbook sense despite fully knowing them, but saying "But the group is also a problem!!!" is, in no small terms, whataboutism.
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Anything can be taken as whataboutism if you take it out of context.
daboss456 said:
well you managed to own up to what you said and hold yourself accountable so I'll give that atleast. And I'll let you in on a little secret. I was also in that thread.
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That's me! and I will also admit that I was pretty frustrated as well. I however do not regret posting this at all. Now let me give you a bit of advice going forward

1. Stop whining. You started this with your passive aggressive bullshit. You should have come prepared for a lot of pushback. constant bitching and moaning about insults and getting called out isn't doing anything to help your case.
2. Stop playing dumb. Nobody here is stupid, we all know damn well that you are not holding the devs to the same standards as everyone else. And no, given that you have no credibility here, no one is just going to take your word for it. Go confront them for their shittyness on their forums or discord in a way we can all verify with the same language and zeal your confronting us with and maybe some people here can buy that you aren't completely full of shit.
3. Stop accusing people of cherry picking, taking things out of context, or arguing in bad faith. No one agreed to have a debate with you. No one is obligated to prove anything to you, or concede anything to you, or even acknowledge you. If you want to convince anyone of anything then EVERYTHING is on you.
4. Focus. Stop arguing about every little thing. You keep letting yourself get pulled every which way in the discussion when you should be focused on getting your point across and nothing else.

If you follow this advice you might start to make some headway.
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1. I referenced being insulted when I got called out for my behavior. I'd say that's fair play.
2. Yes, I hold the devs to a different standard because they are subject to audience as a whole. Can we admit that we as audience members don't have to deal with the amount of scrutiny that comes with being a dev? The bar for expectations for the community as a whole is just don't be a massive dick. People aren't exactly holding themselves to an incredibly high standard here, myself included. I think we can all admit that. I'm here instead of there because in general when the evidence for things that happened in the community has issues with veracity and reliability that is where I have the most experience in. It's ludicrous to think I would collate a bunch of screenshots that they have access to the originals and just go tell the devs that they were being bad. That hasn't gotten anybody anywhere.
3. Nobody is forced to debate me. If they don't feel the need to do so they don't have to. I'm here for the people who actually want talk about it. Yeah, it is on me and I provided evidence for my claims earlier that for the most part they tend to write what patrons want with the caveat of threesomes being written despite not being popular. Nobody else was able to poke any other holes in that. They provided evidence that the devs are abusive to writers and I pointed out major issues with the reliability of those screenshots. Nobody has additional evidence and I can't prove a negative. So what do I do there? We just glossed over it and people called it irrelevant.
4. You're absolutely right, but doing that is just going to open me up to people claiming I didn't address points, which already happened when I ignored most of an insult ridden post.
 
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daboss456 said:
well you managed to own up to what you said and hold yourself accountable so I'll give that atleast. And I'll let you in on a little secret. I was also in that thread.
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That's me! and I will also admit that I was pretty frustrated as well. I however do not regret posting this at all. Now let me give you a bit of advice going forward

1. Stop whining. You started this with your passive aggressive bullshit. You should have come prepared for a lot of pushback. constant bitching and moaning about insults and getting called out isn't doing anything to help your case.
2. Stop playing dumb. Nobody here is stupid, we all know damn well that you are not holding the devs to the same standards as everyone else. And no, given that you have no credibility here, no one is just going to take your word for it. Go confront them for their shittyness on their forums or discord in a way we can all verify with the same language and zeal your confronting us with and maybe some people here can buy that you aren't completely full of shit.
3. Stop accusing people of cherry picking, taking things out of context, or arguing in bad faith. No one agreed to have a debate with you. No one is obligated to prove anything to you, or concede anything to you, or even acknowledge you. If you want to convince anyone of anything then EVERYTHING is on you.
4. Focus. Stop arguing about every little thing. You keep letting yourself get pulled every which way in the discussion when you should be focused on getting your point across and nothing else.

If you follow this advice you might start to make some headway.
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Tht was you the entire time?:D Smol world, I agree with the point tht B ruined Berwyn tho I would lay it at the feet of straight folks like myself. B was being an ass and took liberties with a character that he didn't like. He ignored clear instructions an took discrepancies with Bubs wording to justify his BS.
 
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Sacred_Lamb said:
Tht was you the entire time?:D Smol world, I agree with the point tht B ruined Berwyn tho I would lay it at the feet of straight folks like myself. B was being an ass and took liberties with a character that he didn't like. He ignored clear instructions an took discrepancies with Bubs wording to justify his BS.
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yea, Started lurkin here a little before That whole thing went down. This is the most that I've ever really posted on this site. It's kinda surprising how much overlap exists between there and here.
 
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PixelLewd said:
Like ok I'll add AND state the obvious that there were likely haters even back then, everyone who makes content attracts at least one hater as we know. But I severely doubt he had anywhere near the levels of animosity he gets now back then.

And no, I don't count whatever criticisms existed related to how "Mucho Texto" there is/was/will be in his works count as hate
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I wouldn't say he was poorly received more so than any writer prior to Cassidy. My point was more so that he doesn't really have any incentive to not be an asshole anymore. Even if he did change and stopped rage baiting, I would be very surprised if there wasn't a significant number of people who still hated him for his previous spite projects.
 
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devilaffect said:
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I don't give enough of a shit to entertain you any longer. You came out the gate saying shit like
devilaffect said:
Are there aspects where it could probably be spent better? Maybe, but I'm not prone to trust the ideas of people who completely ignore even the most basic and obvious aspects of running a business.
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devilaffect said:
She was written well before the deadline. Try again when you know what you are talking about instead of parroting demonstrably false statements.
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devilaffect said:
I'm glad we established that you have nothing of substance to say.
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And then wonder why people are insulting you? Fuck off. You came here to argue and that's it. Congratulations, you just succeeded in cementing people's negative views, the complete opposite of what you "wanted".
 
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MoneyMan181 said:
I don't give enough of a shit to entertain you any longer. You came out the gate saying shit like



And then wonder why people are insulting you? Fuck off. You came here to argue and that's it. Congratulations, you just succeeded in cementing people's negative views, the complete opposite of what you "wanted".
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You're right. I handled this poorly from the start and I let early poor impressions of one or two people worm their way into my interactions with other people and I am sorry. I had a stated goal and I did not live up to the values that I try to instill. I will try to avoid letting my irritation get to me in the future.

Edit: If anything I say brushes you the wrong or seems off to you I will endeavor to do my best to clarify. I know that the vast majority of people here are here because they care or at least cared about the game at some point and that's what matters.
 
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