Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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CorruptionOfChampionsII-0.7.35

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[sea47r]

But "consistency"? Now that's a a wholly new complaint more present in modern times than it ever was during CoC1's prime day.

Maybe you just werent actually reading the content you said you did(even though you mentioned corrupt jojo) but to simply say, it just isn't as good as other parts of the game. The formatting is weird and amateurish (suppose most of the people were amateur, huh), proper motive and reasoning isn't there, and as mentioned before, the PC can and will act OOC alot of the time.

When corruption content was added, it was wanted. People read, it, liked it, and made large amounts of posts, suggestions, etc because they like it.

Dont think i said it was ever *unwanted* the fact that it *was* wanted is half the damn reason so much shit was added to the first game

All my posts on the concepts were saying is that *I* thought the corruption in COC1 was very poorly done and shows some of the same lack of player agency many complain about in this game. All of those options you list lack any sort of nuance once the player character hits a certain level of corruption, now they are just willing to take over Whitney's farm or turn JoJo into a slave. That's probably what I would say my issue with any of the content is there's no slope. There is no slippery slope. It's on and off.

Again, i dont dislike corruption content, another thing i never said. I dont like that it's mostly not good and if the small bits of content within 2 that fits the bill would show the general quality of more corruption, i would just rather not have it

*edit: You're totally right about The Dark Master's work

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Fen still manages tits. Savin was a writer for a time and maybe offered input but Fen still holds full control.

Spoiler: Tits development hell because why not

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Bro, you keep blindly showing off those messages from Savin as if they are infallible truth. Should I remind you what a backstabbing snake Savin is? He's obviously throwing shade and slander at Fen, Will and everyone else.
Also, so fucking ironic seeing him talking about TiTS being in development hell; meanwhile just take one look at what state CoC2 is in.

Thinking on it, the situation looks strikingly similar to what happened with FOE. Savin has been sabotaging that one until it crumbled and died. And now he's doing the same to TiTS.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Spoiler: Mega squishsquish

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If you didn't like corruption, that's cool.
But that stance wasn't exactly in-line during the times when people were still asking for and writing it.

I was never around nor interested in this content while it was in its infancy, God forgive how far I've fallen, but its interesting how the drama tends to rhyme with these projects.
Personally loved the Corruption routes and while I do think that they needed a bit more fine tunning in terms of writing, they scratch that villain itch I get when a play as a good guy for too long. If you're playing an rpg and you are only allowed to be some flavor of "good guy", then good n evil don't matter and neither do your choices.
Tho I do think that the Corrupt PC of Coc1 is superior in the fact tht the player gets to control to a certain extent why they make these choices; if you played into Corruption things really feel like the PC is steadily going down a dark path, it isn't just boost a meter and the personality flips unlike Coc2. Content like Jojo n Kelt reflect this since both require you to go out of your way to corrupt them.
I don't mind the upsetting portions either since it ultimately gives the experience peaks and valleys in the enjoyment and drama and replayability. Remember drama is ultimately is what makes a lot entertainment entertaining.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Dont think i said it was ever *unwanted* the fact that it *was* wanted is half the damn reason so much shit was added to the first game

All my posts on the concepts were saying is that *I* thought the corruption in COC1 was very poorly done and shows some of the same lack of player agency many complain about in this game. All of those options you list lack any sort of nuance once the player character hits a certain level of corruption, now they are just willing to take over Whitney's farm or turn JoJo into a slave. That's probably what I would say my issue with any of the content is there's no slope. There is no slippery slope. It's on and off.

gonna hard disagree with there, as they did try to lock certain options in on the levels of Corruption but I do agree that barring Kelt, most of the options lack character motivation; Why does the PC want so much control? Why do they want to do these thing? Villains have a reason as to why they behave the way they do, and the writers had ample story beats n bits to make a corrupt run have reason. Coc2 Devs doesn't have the excuse of being amateurs or inexperienced, they just suck.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Can we give a clap to TOBs for finally having the PC have actual commentary :')) I thought it was some mental condition tht didn't allow him to let the PC have dialog that isn't summarize in overly wordy text

 

[thecatcameback]

Has anyone done the scenes with B's busty female Imp yet? Curious what everyone thought about her.

Can we give a clap to TOBs for finally having the PC have actual commentary :')) I thought it was some mental condition tht didn't allow him to let the PC have dialog that isn't summarize in overly wordy text

TOBs wrote a new thing?

 

[GokutheG]

I don't understand why the Wayfort couldn't be a second base alongside the Frost Hound.

Savin said he didn't think of that until after they set the foundational coding and it'd be too much work to shift things.

It was also supposed to be the base for a corrupt champion and we all know how corruption has been handled in this game.

 

[Kalkrion]

If you want content you'll like, open a google doc and write it. That's what all the community writers wpended up doing. What I ended up doing.

How did that end up for William again? Oh yeah, all of the content he liked and wanted got denied, shafted, and then buried. William was by no means perfect, but he did not deserve the consistent treatment he was receiving from his "coworkers".

I'm not saying that I wouldn't write, but the atmosphere in that environment is disgusting and only serves to stifle any form of creativity that is not directly desired by Savin.

 

[Bloep]

How did that end up for William again? Oh yeah, all of the content he liked and wanted got denied, shafted, and then buried. William was by no means perfect, but he did not deserve the consistent treatment he was receiving from his "coworkers".

I'm not saying that I wouldn't write, but the atmosphere in that environment is disgusting and only serves to stifle any form of creativity that is not directly desired by Savin.

Most of William's stuff got added though, right? I'm a bit out of the loop to be fair, but did anything he submitted get outright rejected aside from the Sophora stuff?
But yeah, the impression i'm getting of the Fenoxo and Savin work environments is that it's very unprofessional, wouldn't wanna work for them either.
Wonder who, if any, they have for HR.

 

[devilaffect]

How did that end up for William again? Oh yeah, all of the content he liked and wanted got denied, shafted, and then buried. William was by no means perfect, but he did not deserve the consistent treatment he was receiving from his "coworkers".

I'm not saying that I wouldn't write, but the atmosphere in that environment is disgusting and only serves to stifle any form of creativity that is not directly desired by Savin.

His only project that got denied was the Sephora expansion, which was also reviewed by Nonesuch. Who I might remind you isn't an employee of Fen or Savin. Fen publicly stated that he was willing to work with Will on getting the expansion into a more workable state at a later date. Before anybody brings it up, Einen didn't get denied as she was never finished and Will had missed the longstanding deadline for companions.

Will was struggling for a long time to remain productive enough to actually finish any of his projects, which were way beyond the scope of basically what any writer was attempting regularly. There's a reason why very few writers attempt to put out novel sized characters with any sort of regularity. It just isn't a feasible pace to maintain and I'm not sure why people think it would be when it just isn't the case with mainstream writing. I wish the best for Will and sincerely hope gets his writing spark back, but he definitely wasn't cut out for writing as a job instead of as just a passion.

 

[Biostar]

missed the longstanding deadline for companions

This will always be such a funny concept to me. As if this game has any standing on initiating deadlines with their workflow.

 

[devilaffect]

Most of William's stuff got added though, right? I'm a bit out of the loop to be fair, but did anything he submitted get outright rejected aside from the Sophora stuff?
But yeah, the impression i'm getting of the Fenoxo and Savin work environments is that it's very unprofessional, wouldn't wanna work for them either.
Wonder who, if any, they have for HR.

They are nowhere near large enough to have anybody for HR. Unless there's been major shifts behind the scenes in employment, there's around 10 people between both games. Off the top of my head CoC2 has Savin, Wsan, Tobs, Drake, Balak and Moira. TiTS has Fen, Adj, and Gedan. Then there's maybe Leek, donkey, and Jacques.

While I would definitely agree TiTS has had a major management problem for the past few years, I really don't think that's the case for CoC2. Anything could always be run better in some way, but when it's already better run than well over 90% of the games on here it's hard to justify any major changes. People really need to keep in mind that it is a passion project built around a medium where sheer output isn't an objectively positive metric of production. There will be issues when you have a bunch of different writers and having their styles clash, but that is the price you pay for getting more content on a regular basis that isn't just generic four sentence sex scenes that look like they belong in unnamed text game from over a decade ago.

 

[desmosome]

Hmm.... I think I just realized Demon viv was a thing, or I forgot all about it. Was it always possible for her to be a demon, or did they add that in later?

 

[GokutheG]

Hmm.... I think I just realized Demon viv was a thing, or I forgot all about it. Was it always possible for her to be a demon, or did they add that in later?

Added after she became a companion I believe.

 

[desmosome]

Added after she became a companion I believe.

Damn, so if we got her when she first came out, the demon route is closed forever?

 

[Tsubuhaza]

People really need to keep in mind that it is a passion project built around a medium where sheer output isn't an objectively positive metric of production.

Fucking expensive passion project, eh.

 

[devilaffect]

This will always be such a funny concept to me. As if this game has any standing on initiating deadlines with their workflow.

You mean with updates nearly every week? It's easily one of the most regularly updated games on here. You might argue that the updates aren't always of the same size or quality, but that doesn't account for work that goes on behind the scenes. I'm really failing to understand the point you were trying to make here like there is any sort of ground to stand on when it comes to Savin's team breaking deadlines or being wildly inconsistent in a medium that already isn't measured in gross production. I for one would not like to go back to the days of maybe we'll get an update this month.

It was a simple choice that Savin made well over a year in advance to reduce the amount of futureproofing and retroactive changes that would need to be done for companions.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Damn, so if we got her when she first came out, the demon route is closed forever?

You could turn her into a demon with her recruitment quest. So if she is already a companion, you lost your chance I guess.

 

[devilaffect]

Fucking expensive passion project, eh.

That money really doesn't go that far when you realize that they pay Patreon a cut, then the income as a business gets taxed, and then they pay taxes on their personal income. Are they likely living more comfortably than your average artist? Probably, but living better than paycheck to paycheck isn't really something to aspire to. Do you guys even think about the fact that the money is being divided between multiple people or the fact that there are fees and the upkeep costs to maintain the equipment they use for their jobs. Savin and Fen aren't just hoarding tens of thousand of dollars each month. Are there aspects where it could probably be spent better? Maybe, but I'm not prone to trust the ideas of people who completely ignore even the most basic and obvious aspects of running a business.