Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.13] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[MarvintheBee]

Having trouble triggering the 7.45 Karithea scene. Have all the qualifiers described in the patch notes checked off, but still no dice. Any help?

Did you try turning it on and off again? /jk

Idk, drop your save and maybe someone can take a look at it?

 

[fey67]

As Jbuster mentioned, the only way right now is to start a fight with spider queen and surrender. If Cait is presented in your team - she will offer her not-so-little butt to the queen and some time later anal-birth some driders.

that sucks i hope a different way is added soon she's my favorite

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Groovy beats will defeat the demons.

Champ moonwalks, demons blow up from the sheer groove.

Why is Uterus depressed...

It was forced to read ten pages of Tobs' drivel.

I just noticed the ratings, after a few months or so of letting this game marinate, for (unsurprisingly) almost little to no progress to the actual plot. How did it get so low?

Would've been lower if people didn't sabotage it by giving five stars and a half-assed review or a "I dunno why people don't like it" right after the last three are people explaining what they don't like it it.

It's late stage Roman Empire meets Mad Max 3 with a sexy twist, because only you, the champion, can breed these people into a new, better future

The withered remains of an empire, struggling under a morale issue brought by leadership's incompetence and a "chicks with dicks" problems.

So Savin's OC was Carmen all along, eh.

 

[Nidabutt]

And unprompted, the PC can being forced into anal and to take so much cum up the ass they vomit it out [even higher wtf! this shit 100% should be opt into only, I'm i playing tits? because no one else in this game even has close the that extremes. A peak "my special OC moment"].

While I think in hindsight it would be nice to toggle certain scenes on and off for Kaly so you can tailor her scenes exactly to your tastes (since she has random scenes with overworld travel and sleeping with), the reason for the anal scene is because of the position. The PC is on their back, ass up in the air getting plowed by a centaur, the weight of the thrusts are directly compressing their stomach so there's very little room for the cum to gather - causing it to ooze out from their mouth (since the other end is rather plugged up.)

TLDR: It's not due to the quantity of cum, it's the pressure from the pose + thrusts forcing it out.

 

[SirWalrus]

Did you try turning it on and off again? /jk

Idk, drop your save and maybe someone can take a look at it?

Here's what I'm working with.
(I usually lurk on this site, apologies in advance if I fuck up.)
View attachment CoC2_Irene_546.zip

 

[Nidabutt]

Demon invasion but you spend most of your time fighting non corrupted people.

I also feel like this comment is a good time to put forward my thoughts beind Kaly's actions and motivations, though my response can also loosely apply to many other characters. In the real world 'bad people' aren't demons, most actually believe their actions serve a just cause, or that their behaviour is permissible due to the moral framework of their organization/culture.

In Kaly's case, she's spent most of her life in nature, the traditional norms of society don't apply to her. Most importantly, she's a druid. The defence and preservation of nature is her cause, the primary drive behind her actions. When Kaly initially hears of the PC, she sees an opportunity to earn their trust, then pluck their power - much like how 'civilized folk' might raise an animal for slaughter. To Kaly it's very easy to justify the sacrifice of one person's freedom to see nature remain free from demonic influence (though it's left somewhat ambiguous as to whether it's already too late due to her behaviour.) The intent is what separates her from the demons, much like how in war both sides methods can be in stark similarity, but the flag differs.

Her methods don't seem much better than the demons. Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong. I'm personally a much bigger fan of muddy grey morality than black and white morality, hence why I'm actually very happy with how Wsan portrayed Kaly. Originally she was going to be a hostile encounter but Wsan encouraged a more neutral route in the interest of having a different kind of dynamic to most NPCs.

 

[Jbuster]

Champ moonwalks, demons blow up from the sheer groove.

Winning against every overpowered enemy through tease damage in two turns


My current PC is wolf girl Atila, got some magic baddies under her banner while all the others overpowered OC's are being cucked from their relevance and this time, there's no imperial princess to mess with the war effort and no pope to stop her

that sucks i hope a different way is added soon she's my favorite

They almost never let you add the freaky ones, I so wanted to keep that frost futa pup from the forest but they won't let me. I have the fire one but not the ice one, and there's no reason for that. I have a big fortress, I should have more big pets and a dragon too, but she's dead and gave her powers to someone else who won't do anything fun with them

Savin is a cruel man

While I think in hindsight it would be nice to toggle certain scenes on and off for Kaly so you can tailor her scenes exactly to your tastes (since she has random scenes with overworld travel and sleeping with), the reason for the anal scene is because of the position. The PC is on their back, ass up in the air getting plowed by a centaur, the weight of the thrusts are directly compressing their stomach so there's very little room for the cum to gather - causing it to ooze out from their mouth (since the other end is rather plugged up.)

TLDR: It's not due to the quantity of cum, it's the pressure from the pose + thrusts forcing it out.

Something something horse fuck mechanics


But still is nice someone took the time to write that scene in a logical, reasonable way

 

[ice-age]

damn i just want olivia to be released in the wayfort already

 

[icecreamman99]

I also feel like this comment is a good time to put forward my thoughts beind Kaly's actions and motivations, though my response can also loosely apply to many other characters. In the real world 'bad people' aren't demons, most actually believe their actions serve a just cause, or that their behaviour is permissible due to the moral framework of their organization/culture.

In Kaly's case, she's spent most of her life in nature, the traditional norms of society don't apply to her. Most importantly, she's a druid. The defence and preservation of nature is her cause, the primary drive behind her actions. When Kaly initially hears of the PC, she sees an opportunity to earn their trust, then pluck their power - much like how 'civilized folk' might raise an animal for slaughter. To Kaly it's very easy to justify the sacrifice of one person's freedom to see nature remain free from demonic influence (though it's left somewhat ambiguous as to whether it's already too late due to her behaviour.) The intent is what separates her from the demons, much like how in war both sides methods can be in stark similarity, but the flag differs.

Her methods don't seem much better than the demons. Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong. I'm personally a much bigger fan of muddy grey morality than black and white morality, hence why I'm actually very happy with how Wsan portrayed Kaly. Originally she was going to be a hostile encounter but Wsan encouraged a more neutral route in the interest of having a different kind of dynamic to most NPCs.

I wasn't talking about Kalysea there. And if those are their motivations that's fine but their actions would be no different from a demons except PC becoming a demon themselves. And Kalysea motivations own would but the PC should still be able to call them out on it. But the game has a tone and design issue where they have not defined what corruption is and yet you spend more time fighting and interacting people that take the same actions demons.

Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong.

What? please explain because i will show many points prove otherwise.
-Demons being rapist and pillagers.
-At this time only 2-3 npc that demons and/or corrupted aren't hostile or taking hostile actions against others, so 90+% fighting you as their first interaction.
-Demons corrupting centaurs making them rapist and pillagers.
-Demons corrupting the winter city making people the into demons and corrupting others
-Demons armies attacking KM [and some how being a problem]
-Demons turning people into imp broodmothers for more soldiers [lol, lamo. These imps aren't even special in anyway unlike other settings yet their empire is losing to them, KM is a joke]
-Just demons always attack trying to rape or force sex upon the PC.

You might of spent way to long in a porn mindset because even in setting coc2 people that try attack and rape PC should go to jail, be enslaved, or be killed. The PC is weird for letting them go but you know coc2 and tits game design vs their own setting and lore.

Also not much to any "muddy grey morality" here.

 

[icecreamman99]

While I think in hindsight it would be nice to toggle certain scenes on and off for Kaly so you can tailor her scenes exactly to your tastes (since she has random scenes with overworld travel and sleeping with), the reason for the anal scene is because of the position. The PC is on their back, ass up in the air getting plowed by a centaur, the weight of the thrusts are directly compressing their stomach so there's very little room for the cum to gather - causing it to ooze out from their mouth (since the other end is rather plugged up.)

TLDR: It's not due to the quantity of cum, it's the pressure from the pose + thrusts forcing it out.

Yes and that is ridiculous and extreme for this game even with a opt-in it still would be extreme but better handled. That's even going far for tits not it hasn't been done there [i think].
Kalysea has the problem some others have that is PC can be submissive but not okay with everything even more so when it jumps blowjobs, swallowing, cock and ball worship to eating sweaty horse ass on the road, made to eat cum from a bowl severed for a meal, and having cum go in the PC's ass and come out of their mouth. All of this extreme for this game and unprompted.

Kalysea could just use an opt-in where the player asks or is asked to be treated like that.
Give the PC opt-in where ask to get destroyed and be used as their cum dump or however they please.
Or have the PC opt-in like Brienne; where Kalysea asks or tries to convince the PC to become that for them. And the PC just needs to say yes once or say yes in a talk option if they said no before, then the PC would be locked in.

 

[icecreamman99]

I also feel like this comment is a good time to put forward my thoughts beind Kaly's actions and motivations, though my response can also loosely apply to many other characters. In the real world 'bad people' aren't demons, most actually believe their actions serve a just cause, or that their behaviour is permissible due to the moral framework of their organization/culture.

In Kaly's case, she's spent most of her life in nature, the traditional norms of society don't apply to her. Most importantly, she's a druid. The defence and preservation of nature is her cause, the primary drive behind her actions. When Kaly initially hears of the PC, she sees an opportunity to earn their trust, then pluck their power - much like how 'civilized folk' might raise an animal for slaughter. To Kaly it's very easy to justify the sacrifice of one person's freedom to see nature remain free from demonic influence (though it's left somewhat ambiguous as to whether it's already too late due to her behaviour.) The intent is what separates her from the demons, much like how in war both sides methods can be in stark similarity, but the flag differs.

Her methods don't seem much better than the demons. Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong. I'm personally a much bigger fan of muddy grey morality than black and white morality, hence why I'm actually very happy with how Wsan portrayed Kaly. Originally she was going to be a hostile encounter but Wsan encouraged a more neutral route in the interest of having a different kind of dynamic to most NPCs.

My random thought use or ignore if you want.
If you want Kalysea to be doing things based on all that stuff and be morally grey, you could just have selfish interest towards the player but enables to player to "save the world"/beat the demons.
Kalysea could control, make use of, or do whatever to the PC for whatever reasons but they are properly enabling/helping the beat the demons and the PC agreed or convinced into it. So net positive result for the greater good but largest gain for Kalysea.

 

[Deleted member 475691]

Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong. I'm personally a much bigger fan of muddy grey morality than black and white morality, hence why I'm actually very happy with how Wsan portrayed Kaly.

Imps, left unchecked, rape anything with fertile holes to breed more imps which leads to seemingly endless hordes of them if they aren't culled as much as possible. CoC1, you could find imps everywhere and they were often forming gangs and doing things like kidnapping, drugging, poisoning crops and water, etc. No matter how many of them you defeat or kill, there's always more imps because the world is drowning in imps by that point.
Demons spread their corruption one way or another, regardless of their personal intentions, (or what they claim their intentions are.) No matter how sympathetic and kind the primary antagonist tries to make herself out to be, every race and region she comes in contact with becomes sexually aggressive, territorial, and dangerous to even the natives practically overnight. There's a cult weaponizing the spread of her corruption in the name of power, there's an elven ruler that's trying to turn their entire ancient kingdom into obedient sex toys with that corruption. It's not a question of morality, it's survival and practicality, trying to fight back against a spreading plague of horny-amoral-rape-disease that everyone, the gods, the demons, the residents, and history, all suggest is incurable once contracted. It's like a zombie outbreak, but the zombies are sprouting horns and horse dicks before raping everyone they catch, rather than eating them.

The argument that Kaly is morally grey for joining in on weaponizing and benefiting from nonconsensual bitch-breaking doesn't mean all that much. Her actions put people at risk, she seems perfectly comfortable with that, she's effectively no better than a monster that could end up targeting anyone that happens to end up crossing her path at any time. Sure, survival of the fittest is very much in line with 'nature', but in the name of survival, you'd kill her if you came across her in a game like Morrowind turning people into mindless thralls with musk-magic or whatever and the locals would thank you for saving them from the threat she posed before calling you an n'wah. In most settings, she's just a monster to kill, it's only in lewd games with porn logic that she's a misunderstood waifu who should be appreciated and protected because the genre itself is corrupting the players and their view of the world, normalizing brainwashing and raping folks as something you can justify and rationalize with the right context.

Even just in the most primitive and natural sense, "She is targeting me, she is an enemy, I should defend myself." But CoC2 is an OC glorifying money milking machine, the players are always powerless when a super-duper-special OC is involved. Robbed of agency, and easily upstaged, made a fool of, or deprived of very basic choices whenever an OC is in frame.

That rubs people paying attention the wrong way. I'm a submissive, masochistic even- but this game really sucks all the fun out of it when nothing is ever a personal choice in the narrative. It's all just so blunt and absolute. I'm told how much I adore and admire each individual OC or waifu before they've said or done anything to win me over, the only temptation they've put forth for me to fall for is 'she has a fat horse dick'- her and half the damn region, what makes her special? She smells more than the others? I suddenly have that fetish in-universe? When did that happen?

My tastes aren't important. My consent is never important. I don't get a voice in anything in this game. When playing CoC2, I'm just a vehicle for the individual OCs and waifus to push their own stories and show off. There is no amount of in-universe hard work, willpower, or preparation that can protect me from the narrator deciding things for me. The developers are not on the player's side, many of them are outright antagonistic to the playerbase for one reason or another. They're only slightly more loyal to the people throwing money and free labor their way, so the OCs are given more power than the player could ever hope to over how every encounter shakes out.

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TLDR, it's not about which side has the moral highground, this isn't a question of which side is 'more justified' in their actions. It's a fight for survival, and she's behaving in a way that marks her as another dangerous corruptive enemy to be slain- not a waifu to be treasured or romanced. In any other game, she'd be killed shortly after it became clear she was targeting the player character, and her lack-of-pants looted for whatever junk she had on hand when she ragdolled. Because that keeps the player and the rest of the civilized inhabitants of the region safe from evil musk-magicians.

 

[Quintilus]

Hawkethorne is a backwater, and was basically a ruin until about 20 years before the story started. iirc both the minotaurs and frost elves became more isolationalist after the gods war. Especially the elves, who have barely left the area around their city for hundreds of years according to Etheryn. The mercanaries you fight in the foothills were hired by Carmen and were supposed to be peace keepers but went rogue. Carmen's castle, the temple from the intro, Sander's church, and the wayfort are all leftovers from the empire days I think.

Yeah, the whole area is the leftovers of a bunch of older conflicts. The big human empire got fucked when the monster girls (& bois) people were created and made their own kingdoms, then when those kingdoms were kind of stable and running the godswar nuked what they had created into oblivion, and in a third minor wave, Hawkethorne was almost ended by Gweyr in the "no child left behind" incident

It's late stage Roman Empire meets Mad Max 3 with a sexy twist, because only you, the champion, can breed these people into a new, better future

I'm trying to salvage the background, to make something that will put 'original' to shame, but it have way too much gaps and holes to make something that will hold one piece.
Like, the fact that the city have zero walls and towers. They were built from American grade dry walls, but the castle and the temple from the kiln bricks and portland cement?
And the presence of the relatively 'advanced' civilization just behind the corner without any signs of it outside of the said 'corner'. It's like....imagine high tech civilization with iPhones exists only in the US and right outside of the borders, in Canada for example, it's stone age without network connection, Twitter, KFC and ATM. It just doesn't looks and feels right.

Prolly that's just me spending way too much time reading about the history of Rome and fantasy stories from the actually good authors.

 

[Jbuster]

I'm trying to salvage the background, to make something that will put 'original' to shame, but it have way too much gaps and holes to make something that will hold one piece.
Like, the fact that the city have zero walls and towers. They were built from American grade dry walls, but the castle and the temple from the kiln bricks and portland cement?
And the presence of the relatively 'advanced' civilization just behind the corner without any signs of it outside of the said 'corner'. It's like....imagine high tech civilization with iPhones exists only in the US and right outside of the borders, in Canada for example, it's stone age without network connection, Twitter, KFC and ATM. It just doesn't looks and feels right.

Prolly that's just me spending way too much time reading about the history of Rome and fantasy stories from the actually good authors.

I see it more as this particular place being fucked over and over again while almost every other location was spared, as in, Big Human Empire ruling all over these parts, then, the rise of the monster kind and now we are at late stage, barbarians taking over and pushing the empire back, now the barbarians doesn't stay like that, and they get to some kind of middle ages, this doesn't last because at their peak, with a strong alliance of humans, wolf people, kitsunes, etc, they get nuked by ethereal space beings who can't be destroyed by nothing they had, instead, exterior gods who happen to be the same kind of ethereal beings take over, and slowly they rebuild what they can, but are too damaged to be effective

There are pockets of civilization here and there, using what was left of the empire and then from these kingdoms and the empire, but your local population is still pretty much composed of poor people who moved there because they had little to no choice. Big elf kingdom in lockdown since they had their own schism, kitsune colonies being the de facto dumpster for the unwanted, Carmen the sex vampire unwilling to even try and help these people and some wasted heroes that were basically done for when one of them was unable to stop the local cult leader

Khor-minos wouldn't bother, there's nothing there for them

Only reason Jazirra or whatever it's name is cares about is because the champion is roaming around and willing to help one of them

Lumia feels like the one with a mayor focus because she happens to be close, as she happens to be there most of the time unlike Keros who still has a power seat at anime land

Gods pretty much admitted this is a minor issue for them, despite a mayor city in risk of being taken over

There's some places with tribes doing well enough, but these are simple folks that are far away from worse things, because other places were just obliterated like Daliza's homeland, that place is done for, wasted froze land full of monsters, and Atugia's tribe, pretty much dead

The setting is a mess and in a way, it fits. When I wrote that you as the PC are the best hope of these people it was half joking but, in every other way is true. Your presence is the most beneficial factor this wasteland have at the moment. Even the time you spend killing imps and pushing random fighters means someone else gets to be safe from them, because no one else was doing it except that fox lady... damn

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong.

...Well, yeah, because that's how one handles demons. It's how pure characters relate to each other that would probably shine a light at their morale. That's like being pissed at someone for stomping a cockroach.

I get that's just how your OC is but sheesh.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I also feel like this comment is a good time to put forward my thoughts beind Kaly's actions and motivations, though my response can also loosely apply to many other characters. In the real world 'bad people' aren't demons, most actually believe their actions serve a just cause, or that their behaviour is permissible due to the moral framework of their organization/culture.

In Kaly's case, she's spent most of her life in nature, the traditional norms of society don't apply to her. Most importantly, she's a druid. The defence and preservation of nature is her cause, the primary drive behind her actions. When Kaly initially hears of the PC, she sees an opportunity to earn their trust, then pluck their power - much like how 'civilized folk' might raise an animal for slaughter. To Kaly it's very easy to justify the sacrifice of one person's freedom to see nature remain free from demonic influence (though it's left somewhat ambiguous as to whether it's already too late due to her behaviour.) The intent is what separates her from the demons, much like how in war both sides methods can be in stark similarity, but the flag differs.

You just described a literal CoC1 demon that only cares about fulfilling their own obssessive desires and raping other people into submission. Great job, lmao.

MY final judgement on Kalysea:

Her methods don't seem much better than the demons. Yet, 'pure' characters (including the PC) often slaughter demons like animals, even if they are of little actual threat. That's how Kaly view things, and why she does what she does, right or wrong. I'm personally a much bigger fan of muddy grey morality than black and white morality, hence why I'm actually very happy with how Wsan portrayed Kaly. Originally she was going to be a hostile encounter but Wsan encouraged a more neutral route in the interest of having a different kind of dynamic to most NPCs.

There's no gray morality. Demons are infesting the land and raping everyone, while Champ and other pure characters are trying to defend themselves and their homeland. And I'm not even getting into what demons do in their bad ends, often outright just killing Champ, but sometimes doing even worse.
And on a smaller, personal scale, all demons are posing a threat. The only demon who doesn't outright attack Champ on sight is Farrah, and even she uses any underhanded tactic she can to turn more people into demons - "Te he, silly me! I turned Jae'lyn into a demon and now her soul is forever gone, but that's no biggie."
And shut up about that "slaughter like animals" bullshit. Option to kill anyone only unlocks after THEY attack you and threaten to turn you into their fuck toy/next dinner. It's never an option if there's no hostile attack/battle initiated by their side, most evidently with Farrah where Champ just shoos her away even despite how obvious that she's actively going around corrupting people.

I guess when someone tries to rob you on the street you should just roll over and die, because you don't seem much better than the robber who robs you.

 

[72 man]

dam have not seen one guy being btfo so hard in a long time.

 

[Deleted member 728308]

You just described a literal CoC1 demon that only cares about fulfilling their own obssessive desires and raping other people into submission. Great job, lmao.

MY final judgement on Kalysea:
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There's no gray morality. Demons are infesting the land and raping everyone, while Champ and other pure characters are trying to defend themselves and their homeland. And I'm not even getting into what demons do in their bad ends, often outright just killing Champ, but sometimes doing even worse.
And on a smaller, personal scale, all demons are posing a threat. The only demon who doesn't outright attack Champ on sight is Farrah, and even she uses any underhanded tactic she can to turn more people into demons - "Te he, silly me! I turned Jae'lyn into a demon and now her soul is forever gone, but that's no biggie."
And shut up about that "slaughter like animals" bullshit. Option to kill anyone only unlocks after THEY attack you and threaten to turn you into their fuck toy/next dinner. It's never an option if there's no hostile attack/battle initiated by their side, most evidently with Farrah where Champ just shoos her away even despite how obvious that she's actively going around corrupting people.

I guess when someone tries to rob you on the street you should just roll over and die, because you don't seem much better than the robber who robs you.

the writing team and the echo chamber are full of bottom, voyeur or futa enjoyer, they would love to write the mc being preg, used, enslaved, used like a fleshlight (looking at you arona) etc etc. but god forbid male protagonist do anything similar to any of their OC's, best you can do is some lovey dovey gentle dom, mutual satisfaction, etc etc otome writing style

 

[Nidabutt]

You just described a literal CoC1 demon that only cares about fulfilling their own obssessive desires and raping other people into submission. Great job, lmao.

There's no gray morality. Demons are infesting the land and raping everyone, while Champ and other pure characters are trying to defend themselves and their homeland. And I'm not even getting into what demons do in their bad ends, often outright just killing Champ, but sometimes doing even worse.
And on a smaller, personal scale, all demons are posing a threat. The only demon who doesn't outright attack Champ on sight is Farrah, and even she uses any underhanded tactic she can to turn more people into demons - "Te he, silly me! I turned Jae'lyn into a demon and now her soul is forever gone, but that's no biggie."
And shut up about that "slaughter like animals" bullshit. Option to kill anyone only unlocks after THEY attack you and threaten to turn you into their fuck toy/next dinner. It's never an option if there's no hostile attack/battle initiated by their side, most evidently with Farrah where Champ just shoos her away even despite how obvious that she's actively going around corrupting people.

I guess when someone tries to rob you on the street you should just roll over and die, because you don't seem much better than the robber who robs you.

(A lot of comments to reply to but this comment can tie a lot of the responses into one post.)

Personally, I don't think it's a good thing to genocide an entire group of people who have been victims of demons, having had their souls stolen (imps not included of course, fuck those guys.) You are forgetting that most of those demons use to be normal people whom are being influenced by corruption and did not willingly transform into demons. Kalysea's methods are not 'wholesome and good' at all, but are morally gray in contrast to the extermination of thousands (or probably many more). We know demons and non-demons can coexist as proven by the wayfort content, so therefore murder is a convenience to the PC, not a justified solution. A truly 'good' solution (integration and peace) would be very challenging to accomplish on a larger scale and is probably off the table for our PC.

Kalysea's storyline isn't finished yet so this content isn't public and may be subject to change as Wsan is still unsure on the implications of coersion I am rather keen on including in her content, but I'll share it here. The context will probably help get across why I hold the opinions that I do.

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I am curious what people think with that currently behind the scenes context added in though.

Also once again reiterating I am more than happy for people to write or commission an alternative route with sub Kalysea, it's just not something I'll spend money on since I exclusively play a sub fem champ. Kalysea is not canonically an ultra powerful OC who is meant to just walk over the PC, it's just I am only comming sub content and a sub storyline as a result. If I had infinite money I'd absolutely commission a dom route so that dom players can enjoy her too.

 

[Jbuster]

You just described a literal CoC1 demon that only cares about fulfilling their own obssessive desires and raping other people into submission. Great job, lmao.

MY final judgement on Kalysea:
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There's no gray morality. Demons are infesting the land and raping everyone, while Champ and other pure characters are trying to defend themselves and their homeland. And I'm not even getting into what demons do in their bad ends, often outright just killing Champ, but sometimes doing even worse.
And on a smaller, personal scale, all demons are posing a threat. The only demon who doesn't outright attack Champ on sight is Farrah, and even she uses any underhanded tactic she can to turn more people into demons - "Te he, silly me! I turned Jae'lyn into a demon and now her soul is forever gone, but that's no biggie."
And shut up about that "slaughter like animals" bullshit. Option to kill anyone only unlocks after THEY attack you and threaten to turn you into their fuck toy/next dinner. It's never an option if there's no hostile attack/battle initiated by their side, most evidently with Farrah where Champ just shoos her away even despite how obvious that she's actively going around corrupting people.

I guess when someone tries to rob you on the street you should just roll over and die, because you don't seem much better than the robber who robs you.

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In conclusion, I don't dislike her and she plays right in what the writing teams wants, nothing to be done till they day modding this becomes easy and accesible or they stop fucking up, whatever happens first