MoneyMan181

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Orlaith attempting to seduce you is the same as a character shaking their boobs in your face or jiggling their ass at you - not magical enslavement. That's not a natural progression.
We marry half a dozen people after knowing them for like 3 days, complaining about something in this game not having natural progression is supremely silly at this point. Barely any character in this game has anything close to feeling natural. Like I said, numerous things get hand waived away to get to sex.
I think I've been pretty consistent over the entire time I've been here saying that I think that kind of thing is a terrible idea. Characters should not diverge that widely; its why I'm against gender swaps. Make a new character. Brienne should've been a new character, for instance.
A character leaning more into their dominance isn't even close to the same as what happened with Brienne. Brienne would've unironically been a great character if she actually had thoughts and feelings on changing genders while still retaining a good chunk of her old personality. The concept isn't flawed, the execution is.
The most important factor that justifies a piece of content is the enjoyment of said content, whether for the writer or their intended audience or preferably both.
That is not the end all be all for media to exist, but I get what you're saying. I also enjoy the character and Wsan obviously doesn't mind writing that kind of stuff for Kaly, so it's just silly to bring up.
 

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We marry half a dozen people after knowing them for like 3 days, complaining about something in this game not having natural progression is supremely silly at this point. Barely any character in this game has anything close to feeling natural. Like I said, numerous things get hand waived away to get to sex.
That's just speeding up a natural progression, which is something thats just understood in a lot of these kinda games (though I think more scenes implying or showing time spent offscreen over time would be nice and help a lot). Thats very different from progressing into a character that doesn't align with your current character at all.

A character leaning more into their dominance isn't even close to the same as what happened with Brienne. Brienne would've unironically been a great character if she actually had thoughts and feelings on changing genders while still retaining a good chunk of her old personality. The concept isn't flawed, the execution is.
Dominance =/= evil. Liking blowjobs doesn't naturally progress into magically enslaving someone into being a permanent cockslave. I'm not saying it can't be done; I'm saying it shouldn't be. Fits better as two characters.

As for Brienne, I've said the same thing. Genderswapping is fun when you actually engage with the fetish. Wsan didn't do it to engage with the fetish; he did it to skirt the rule of one companion.


That is not the end all be all for media to exist, but I get what you're saying. I also enjoy the character and Wsan obviously doesn't mind writing that kind of stuff for Kaly, so it's just silly to bring up.

Not all media, but content for this kinda game, there's not really much more of importance.
 

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We marry half a dozen people after knowing them for like 3 days, complaining about something in this game not having natural progression is supremely silly at this point. Barely any character in this game has anything close to feeling natural. Like I said, numerous things get hand waived away to get to sex.

A character leaning more into their dominance isn't even close to the same as what happened with Brienne. Brienne would've unironically been a great character if she actually had thoughts and feelings on changing genders while still retaining a good chunk of her old personality. The concept isn't flawed, the execution is.

That is not the end all be all for media to exist, but I get what you're saying. I also enjoy the character and Wsan obviously doesn't mind writing that kind of stuff for Kaly, so it's just silly to bring up.
You ever wonder how common that kind of stuff is in Savarra?, just some magical artifact rewriting your whole being into another person and everyone around you rolling with it?

We know it does happen in other instances, like, the horse stylist, Evergreen's daughters and even Hana for doing a solid for Keros. Even that guy from knot cave had as a backup plan a magical formula to turn guys into bimbo ladies which seems like a huge deviation from whatever project he had in mind, dude just knew the champion would be tempted with the power to fuck with even more people and worked extra hard, so that tells me that things like that, while maybe uncommon, might be a real situation the regular person would have to deal with, like the anal egg thing or being abused by plants, or tricked by "forest spirits" for some of that sweet soul juice they don't have

So while the execution is not great, Savarra is the kind of place where someone becoming another person because of magic is something you just have to accept, the kind of things no one points out despite being weird as fuck. Or maybe they just didn't care about any implication and are lazy, I might be reading too much into it
 

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Dude right, they got this thicc goblin just chilling there doing literally nothing in Hawkthorne
Lady I've been paying for all those clothes and doing quest for shit I care nothing about and you won't let me smash, why!?, instead they gave me some hogoblin rape scene and that futa goblin lady that while cute, ain't the same as the always popular green pocket pussy gobbo combo

She told me all about her kids and family and I pretended to be invested on it thinking, "now she's gonna do the whole, "I'm a lonely woman, so, so lonely. I need you"", but she didn't, because for some weird reason from all the sex pest living in wasteland Hawkthorne, she's just not an option

You're a cruel man, Savin
 

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Paying does make criticism more valid since they are the customers.
Interesting.
From August 1st 2022 to last month, TiTS has lost nearly 1000 subscribers.
From July 1st of the same year to last month CoC2 has lost nearly 800 subscribers.

If any of those lost subscribers voiced an opinion right now today, would those peoples opinions matter?
Is critique something you have to pay into for it to matter?
If you spend more money is your critique more valid?
What about the old monthly donations, offbeatr, and individual writer patreons. If you skipped a month, would you lose your critique pass?
What's the limits of that paid platinum criticism?

Does the value of the dollar to import spent diminish the further away from official channels you get?
Is this the Scientology model of porn game opinions?

Should people amend their reviews, "It wasn't really for me. But as I do not pay a monthly subscription forever I can't leave a review."

Ridiculous.

This attracts a community that likes the same;
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"Oh Alante got added, cool I guess." (Never plays it.)
Hmm... Ac-

Hmm...
Hell we'll include you too
If a fem gets added, it's barely a page or two of discussion.
These people just want to moan and bitch about Savin/Tobs for the nth time.
That's a paddling.
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And let's add this on as well
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Again, all assumptions.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
But, as I said the last time I issued this statement on that desire. I won't be.
 

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Really wonder what the reason is for not letting us de-dick Etheryn to this day, if it's anything other than "MY OC DO NOT TOUCH" and spite.
Don't even need to the most forbidden thing in this world and de-dick. They could just add a vag. Hell they already do 1 time pregnancy. So they could do a 1 time vagina. Make it a quest to find a temp puss, because she wants to have our children. We get a bit of what we want. Savin can continue being Savin once it's over. There is no other reason outside of "I don't wanna" for this. The world they created already allows for the gender flip flop fuckery and body part swap-o-rama. And with how Etheryn had been written. She would absolutely be willing to do it for us if we asked.
 

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My bad, vanilla was the wrong word; I was talking mostly in terms of gender preference. CoC had less M/M or futa than either of the following games.

But a bigger reason for the split is the landscape, I think. CoC was unique back in the day; the Patreon porn machine hadn't started up. These days everyone wanting to write porn for a game is just gonna try and start their own game.



Really wonder what the reason is for not letting us de-dick Etheryn to this day, if it's anything other than "MY OC DO NOT TOUCH" and spite.
The reasons Savin has given is its too much work, and he's not interested. He has 3 characters and Ryn already has a bunch of variables for different states.
 

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Interesting.
From August 1st 2022 to last month, TiTS has lost nearly 1000 subscribers.
From July 1st of the same year to last month CoC2 has lost nearly 800 subscribers.

If any of those lost subscribers voiced an opinion right now today, would those peoples opinions matter?
Is critique something you have to pay into for it to matter?
If you spend more money is your critique more valid?
What about the old monthly donations, offbeatr, and individual writer patreons. If you skipped a month, would you lose your critique pass?
What's the limits of that paid platinum criticism?

Does the value of the dollar to import spent diminish the further away from official channels you get?
Is this the Scientology model of porn game opinions?

Should people amend their reviews, "It wasn't really for me. But as I do not pay a monthly subscription forever I can't leave a review."

Ridiculous.
I feel like people are massively misunderstanding what I'm saying or attaching emotions to my words.

Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void. Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.

For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs? What aspects of them are too similar? Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?
 

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I feel like people are massively misunderstanding what I'm saying or attaching emotions to my words.

Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void. Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.

For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs? What aspects of them are too similar? Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?
Someone posted a screenshot about how they don't care about their polls and just do whatever they want, so I'm pretty sure even their patreons and steam players are yelling into the void with us, which, sounds actually funny. Regardless of that the game is Savin's and his team vision and should stay like that, with polls giving him an outlook of whatever his costumers are into, but focusing in what he wants to do with all of this and hopefully, finishing it

And sure, sometimes it feels like we might complain a little bit too much. You're absolutely right about that

The thing with futa doms, at least for me, is that they tend to overlap too much while there's little on the other side. You have in korh'minos the goblin futa that's into after care, the futadom gladiatrix that fucks non stop, some futa centaur that has nothing going on, a futa marewoman with a harem. You're already traveling with a manipulative futadom if you did Kalysea's quest, and she does similar stuff, and then there's Orliat that can be molded into futa dominance, to name a few. On the other hand, you have Hana, who is a futa but with a more vanilla flavor, and because of that she shines a little more

Sometimes you need a Leslie Nilsen acting as the serious character to make everyone else around look a little more special, and when you disregard that because you have a type and repeat it in different ways, well, I feel like that takes from things as a whole, makes them duller. None of those futa doms are bad character per se, but they are unlucky of not being that special in their own setting

I might be wrong, but I don't think we have one subby futa of consequence (frost puppy is there but she's lacking), not counting the PC, and those who have the option are more of the switch kind. They'll let your champion top in certain conditions

Females npc, there are several so even when they overlap, it kind of gets gloss over, and male npc are few and some of them are lucky to have a bunch of content as Berwyn

I like Nikol, he's cute
 

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Damn, CoC 1 barely had any futa dom content now that i'm thinking about it and typing it out. Wonder what caused the shift for the sequel.
Others already put it better but I'll make the joke: look at the thing on the thread title, right after the version number.

...Because paying someone does not automatically make what you say true and vice versa? If I use someone else's Netflix account to watch something, does that mean my opinion doesn't matter because I wasn't paying to watch it? If I read a book at the public library, does it mean my thoughts on it are immediately null and void because I didn't pay for the book?
I felt like that we didn't matter on that regard because "their obligations are tied to the paying audience". I'd say that'd be fair - if people want to pay for what they're getting even if what they're getting is like a soccer ball made of patched pieces of cloth and a damn rubber dick someone glued right on the middle, then fair game. Otherwise, they would've rioted or dropped support.

Shame? Yeah, but it ain't our party to dance at. That said...

Thank god that they listen to their paying customers :sneaky:
Probably why they keep releasing threesome despite nobody wanting them.
Or that's why all corruption content gets cut, despite 5 times the people wanting that.
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The only real way to get the content you want, is commissioning it. And almost none of the staff writers take them.
Except Wsan? Idk.
Love ya, dude, because it also allows me to develop from my point. We're no longer at the point where people who pay to keep the lights on get the chance to talk.

We're at the point where you need to actively pay over the counter for shit. Patreon's just for the lights not to get turned off so people don't trip over a rogue sleeping futa that's scheduled to drop at v0.8.143.

What a result, damn. Even more reason to finish the damn thing quick.
 
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This is simply talking out of your keester.

There are one hundred and sixty five different posts mentioning Alante. I've talked about and defended liking Hana across several plus sized posts. I don't even like dickgirls. But, Savin made an actual character. In the same way that I don't like males but I liked Berwyn, I like Hana.

As for Alante, the vast majority of the regulars played her content and formed strong opinions about it. Unfortunately that doesn't fit the criticism of the nature of the critique that happens here. Things all the way down to Brienne's house had detractors. Did you know that?

Do you think futa/dickgirl = instant whinging?
There's not even a page worth of discussion discussing Tarah.
There's more nuance in criticism being levied than pure sexual configuration.

All of this brings me back here

If you want to talk about the nature of discussion in the thread. Actually read it.
The only thing you're right about is that people throw direct shade detached from the game at the authors way too often.
So whining about futa doesn't exist because......... A specific futa wasn't namedropped enough?
Huh? Yes, the complains are sometimes more nuanced than that. Obviously i'm not talking about all critique of the game.
 

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Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void.
I mean... yeah? This has been discussed in the thread before and everybody already knows this. Nobody is sitting here expecting a dev to come to a third party forum where they're insulted every other page.
Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.
It's the internet, this kind of thing is just going to happen. If somebody wants to waste their time doing that, let them.
For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs?
Shy girlfailure who is a massive creep and yandere. Tries to subtly manipulate and exert control over the PC which could potentially accumulate into a bad end.

Just a plain jane that was raised in an environment/community that hates or stigmatizes futas. Help her overcome her insecurities and she could potentially dom/switch when she gains confidence.

Similar to idea above, have one start out with romance and be pretty vanilla at first but she shyly proposes being dominant in bed. Could get more depraved the more you give in.

Detachable dullahan cock. Stealth sex galore. Nuff said.
What aspects of them are too similar?
Unabashedly confident in themselves 24/7, bringing up the power dynamics much more than vanilla female content, hyper focused on the dick and not domming in other ways, typically muscular or big bodied, treating you like just a cocksleeve, etc.
Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?
Without giving them full blown expansions or rewriting/deleting the characters? No, not really that I can think of. Especially if you're of Skan's opinion of not portraying different versions of the same character through optional content.
 
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