Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

I think expanding on their nonsexual attributes would be the quickest and easiest way to further differentiate many characters. Characters need more development, that's one of the biggest shortfalls in the game really.

Orlaith and Co are stuck in the forest. What have they seen? How do they interact with the other forest denizen? Can we introduce them?

They also have shory tidbits where you explain your adventures to them. That's boring. Why not expand on that? Maybe some stories you could tell them after major events of places they'll never get to go to.

Of course, this could lead to an expansion where Champ and Grainne figure a way to get her out of the forest temporarily - maybe in that potted plant version they floated on the forums - but that would be more of an expansion.


But yeah, spending a but more time on developing relationships in a nonsexual manner is something Wsan doesn't usually do...more Alypias territory.

Evelyn is probably his best character in that way - she feels pretty fleshed out.

 

[Curon]

Is that pipeline in the room with us right now?
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Yes and it looks like a bad dragon thing sir

 

[Meatshield236]

I think expanding on their nonsexual attributes would be the quickest and easiest way to further differentiate many characters. Characters need more development, that's one of the biggest shortfalls in the game really.

Orlaith and Co are stuck in the forest. What have they seen? How do they interact with the other forest denizen? Can we introduce them?

They also have shory tidbits where you explain your adventures to them. That's boring. Why not expand on that? Maybe some stories you could tell them after major events of places they'll never get to go to.

Of course, this could lead to an expansion where Champ and Grainne figure a way to get her out of the forest temporarily - maybe in that potted plant version they floated on the forums - but that would be more of an expansion.


But yeah, spending a but more time on developing relationships in a nonsexual manner is something Wsan doesn't usually do...more Alypias territory.

Evelyn is probably his best character in that way - she feels pretty fleshed out.

Agreed, the way a lot of characters are written (especially the side characters) right now is that their sexual characteristics are their main form of characterization. They get a bit of history, some light characterization, and then it's on to pound town. Even the characters that get more details are primarily defined by their sexuality.

Which, on the one hand, it's a porn game, it's what people are here for. But it's also a text-based porn game, so they have ample room to flesh out these characters. They just... don't. So when I see people complaining about "yet another futa dom," I personally see it as less of a complaint about the fetish, and more a complaint about samey characters. The flavor might be slightly different, but they all lead to the same end.

 

[Nidabutt]

Shy girlfailure who is a massive creep and yandere. Tries to subtly manipulate and exert control over the PC which could potentially accumulate into a bad end.

Oh I actually quite like this one! I think that would have made for a more interesting personality for Kaly than what I went with tbh, her seclusion and lack of social interaction making her act a little strangely like that, plus being unable to properly get off as a taur... It's definitely giving me ideas... Even if they might not make it into CoC2 sadly.

 

[Nidabutt]

To add onto this discussion, since we're on the topic of character stories, I'm actually rather stumped with which direction I want to go with Kalysea. Originally I was quite settled on something cozy with the PC, but I'm wondering if that's a little boring.

Does anyone have any particular ideas as to where her story could lead?

 

[Skandranon]

To add onto this discussion, since we're on the topic of character stories, I'm actually rather stumped with which direction I want to go with Kalysea. Originally I was quite settled on something cozy with the PC, but I'm wondering if that's a little boring.

Does anyone have any particular ideas as to where her story could lead?

What story? Like from scratch as in a different path, or from where she is after collaring the PC?

 

[Nidabutt]

What story? Like from scratch as in a different path, or from where she is after collaring the PC?

She hasn't yet collared the PC, though that was something on the list of options for future content.

A branching path is an interesting idea I've been considering, for example a dilemma where you can potentially reveal something about her intentions and send her away, turning her into a hostile or neutral character with different interactions. I mean hell, it could even go the personality route MoneyMan suggested in his post, with her becoming more desperate and dropping her usual confidence, perhaps revealing that to be a front she used to make herself seem more appealing as a dominant. Just ideas for now though, as always character development is a pain when the character already has a bunch of content, due to rewriting.

I am mainly focused on after the cock ring is made, as that means her follower content is available. It would feel like a huge waste to simply dump all of that with whatever new story content comes up, even if it's a 'toggleable' mode based on your choices interacting with her. (E.g. she's a hostile encounter, after beating her you can offer a place back in the party.)

 

[MarvintheBee]

To add onto this discussion, since we're on the topic of character stories, I'm actually rather stumped with which direction I want to go with Kalysea. Originally I was quite settled on something cozy with the PC, but I'm wondering if that's a little boring.

Does anyone have any particular ideas as to where her story could lead?

I don't know if we are the right crowd to ask.

Didn't Wsan mention he wanted to work on her next?

But anyway, "cozy" would be boring, already got a lot of that. I always had more sinister vibes from her.
Maybe have her pull other party members into her influence, (in reason obviosly).


But like I said don't know if we are the right crowd. No idea what Dom lovers enjoy.

 

[Nidabutt]

I don't know if we are the right crowd to ask.

Didn't Wsan mention he wanted to work on her next?

But anyway, "cozy" would be boring, already got a lot of that. I always had more sinister vibes from her.
Maybe have her pull other party members into her influence, (in reason obviosly).


But like I said don't know if we are the right crowd. No idea what Dom lovers enjoy.

Yes he's planning to work on her soon but it's going to be a paid commission in this case, after he finishes his work on Mayternity. We've got a lot of ideas for things, but we haven't discussed them to settle on one yet. I'm trying to see if there's any interesting last minute ideas that might steal the show, or just help narrow them down.

It's difficult because there's so many interesting options and it's hard to pin down exactly which selection to go for.

 

[Ilovekatz19]

dropping her usual confidence, perhaps revealing that to be a front she used to make herself seem more appealing as a dominant.

Something causing her facade to break sounds interesting, the only question is what is the cause. The best I can come up with is maybe something from her past popping up, her master and/or village could be a good place kick off of for that.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Which, on the one hand, it's a porn game, it's what people are here for. But it's also a text-based porn game, so they have ample room to flesh out these characters. They just... don't. So when I see people complaining about "yet another futa dom," I personally see it as less of a complaint about the fetish, and more a complaint about samey characters. The flavor might be slightly different, but they all lead to the same end.

From the few that I bothered to interact with to a certain point, they were usually fairly predictable. Like, give it three paragraphs, they would spout something like "oh, and my cock is huge" and I'd have my character excuse himself.

Call them a conundrum for a reason, after all.

 

[Skandranon]

She hasn't yet collared the PC, though that was something on the list of options for future content.

I meant her cock ring, dunno why I said a PC collar.

Honestly it....feels like kind of an end state to me already?

I dunno, it would feel weird developing into a cozy relationship from here.

Maybe have her run into one of Wsans other doms. The dynamic there could be interesting.

And no, I'm not just suggesting this in a desperate ploy to get more Orlaith.


Although...

 

[Nidabutt]

Maybe have her run into one of Wsans other doms. The dynamic there could be interesting.

I do get a lot of people suggesting this, so it's definitely worth bringing up when I chat about it all with Wsan.

 

[Alterism]

So whining about futa doesn't exist because......... A specific futa wasn't namedropped enough?
Huh? Yes, the complains are sometimes more nuanced than that. Obviously i'm not talking about all critique of the game.

I hate to be pointed. But just this once I will.

You outright stated

That's not even what irks me the most.
It's that if a futa gets added/gets more content, it's 10 pages of seething.
If a fem gets added, it's barely a page or two of discussion.
These people just want to moan and bitch about Savin/Tobs for the nth time.

Which is directly not true. It's verifiably not true.

Fem characters get as much conversation and some of them get as much or much more seething. Cait hate could be extracted from this thread and immortalized as a short story. How many times has this thread circled to Kiyoko or Brienne. There's people who throw tomatoes at Elthara. There's been pages on pages on pages about Eubicha.

So no it's not that this statement is false because i'm insinuating that............ A specific futa wasn't namedropped enough.

 

[Jbuster]

Yes he's planning to work on her soon but it's going to be a paid commission in this case, after he finishes his work on Mayternity. We've got a lot of ideas for things, but we haven't discussed them to settle on one yet. I'm trying to see if there's any interesting last minute ideas that might steal the show, or just help narrow them down.

It's difficult because there's so many interesting options and it's hard to pin down exactly which selection to go for.

Dunno, maybe something related to taking off the cock ring for a specifict quest?, it would be something both she and the champion would be against of because that's her weapon against demons and the champion is really into it, but let's say, for example, somehow a demon managed to taint the thing, and now they must cleanse it before this evil extends to Kalysea herself

Should the champion fail that corruption would turn her into a demon, and she would be needy, forceful and insecure. Everything she wasn't before when she actually was in control of herself, maybe she could stay as a neutral npc you can visit at her old hut with the same sex scenes but in a more somber tone, now that she doesn't have a soul and lost her abilities as a druid

On the other hand if the champion fix it in time, they could have a more deep and meaningful relationship, give another meaning to the ring itself and while it wouldn't be cozy and cute, it could be a little bit more equal, at least Kalysea would try and I don't know, the new, purified ring could give your party some bonus because, love is the most powerful force ever, yeah because of that

Dunno, I hope this helped in some way

 

[Nidabutt]

Dunno, maybe something related to taking off the cock ring for a specifict quest?, it would be something both she and the champion would be against of because that's her weapon against demons and the champion is really into it, but let's say, for example, somehow a demon managed to taint the thing, and now they must cleanse it before this evil extends to Kalysea herself

Should the champion fail that corruption would turn her into a demon, and she would be needy, forceful and insecure. Everything she wasn't before when she actually was in control of herself, maybe she could stay as a neutral npc you can visit at her old hut with the same sex scenes but in a more somber tone, now that she doesn't have a soul and lost her abilities as a druid

On the other hand if the champion fix it in time, they could have a more deep and meaningful relationship, give another meaning to the ring itself and while it wouldn't be cozy and cute, it could be a little bit more equal, at least Kalysea would try and I don't know, the new, purified ring could give your party some bonus because, love is the most powerful force ever, yeah because of that

Dunno, I hope this helped in some way

Ah, see the problem is that if her story moves her beyond being a 'follower', then all her current content basically evaporates. Most people would simply play the story out once then reload and continue to play her follower content. That's the difficult part, it has to fit in with that really. :/

 

[Jbuster]

Ah, see the problem is that if her story moves her beyond being a 'follower', then all her current content basically evaporates. Most people would simply play the story out once then reload and continue to play her follower content. That's the difficult part, it has to fit in with that really. :/

Got it, could the same be done without losing her then?, as in, lightly altering some interactions depending on how much power the ring exerts over her?, maybe it wouldn't have to be something demonic because there's a bunch of magical stuff that's equally dangerous, like the rimecore or whatever it's name was, also, someone posted about having her interact with other domes, that sounds like a fun idea, as in, there's a bunch of them gushing over the champion so it would be nice to have her acting proud of having such a good sub, should the player be into it

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

That's not even what irks me the most.
It's that if a futa gets added/gets more content, it's 10 pages of seething.
If a fem gets added, it's barely a page or two of discussion.
These people just want to moan and bitch about Savin/Tobs for the nth time.

This just in, people shit talk the things they don't like. While not paying as much attention to things they don't particularly care about. Holy fuck, I'm gonna win an Nobel Peace Prize for this discovery.... wait a minute. Guys I think.... I think we just got more breaking news. A twofer!

This just in, we like to shit talk and troll in this thread for the funsies. Like where have y'all people been? I thought we all had an understanding of what this is? That we just fucking around for the most part in here. I mean we have our super cereal moments. But ain't no way you seeing all the jokes, gifs, and fuckery, but not catchin on.

Or maybe it's just me .... I assume everyone is doing what I'm doing. Laughing and having a gay old time while stirring shit.

 

[Skandranon]

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This just in, people shit talk the things they don't like. While not paying as much attention to things they don't particularly care about. Holy fuck, I'm gonna win an Nobel Peace Prize for this discovery.... wait a minute. Guys I think.... I think we just got more breaking news. A twofer!

This just in, we like to shit talk and troll in this thread for the funsies. Like where have y'all people been? I thought we all had an understanding of what this is? That we just fucking around for the most part in here. I mean we have our super cereal moments. But ain't no way you seeing all the jokes, gifs, and fuckery, but not catchin on.

Or maybe it's just me .... I assume everyone is doing what I'm doing. Laughing and having a gay old time while stirring shit.

Ehhh....you say that, but I've seen personal threats of physical violence to the devs on like three separate occasions as well as suggestions to dox them or mass report their Patreon.


In my experience, constant negativity starts to spiral if unchecked past the point of 'fun'.

 

[Jbuster]

Ehhh....you say that, but I've seen personal threats of physical violence to the devs on like three separate occasions as well as suggestions to dox them or mass report their Patreon.


In my experience, constant negativity starts to spiral if unchecked past the point of 'fun'.

Wait wait wait, someone here actually wanted to fist fight Savin because of this game?, like, "I'm right outside of you house come out, bitch"?, can't imagine that, that's too crazy

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No but seriously, I hope no one here reach that point, just jokes guys