Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[OreoLuma]

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Additionally you can turn the regular sheep into sheep girls (or boys, you choose) if you're regularly doing the shearing yourself, because of your weird soul radiation.

What? Can you please explain in more detail? This is really confusing. There are only 2 sheepfolk in the game from what I know.

High stakes eurojank sheep farming simulator. Adding a new farm/tile into the harvest valley over by the already preexisting teleportation point that's rendered useless by saving the mace dragon. You go there and farm all day with your sheep wife and plow her by night. You can also divert the hellhound and frostpupper from the Wayfort to the farm, to live with you and Clementine on the farm to watch the normal sheep.

This isn't gonna work. I want to respect the original author and how they wrote Clementine. Clementine clearly states she doesn't like farming/farming lifestyle in her talk dialogue. That's the issue with writing another character, trying to respect the character and how they are written. Not to mention frostpupper is being written by other people right now and hellhound would be hard to move around. Not trying to be rude and I'm sorry but this breaks Clem's character.

Good shitpost lol

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Keep in mind their is a 100 page limit.

What? Can you please explain in more detail? This is really confusing. There are only 2 sheepfolk in the game from what I know.

This isn't gonna work. I want to respect the original author and how they wrote Clementine. Clementine clearly states she doesn't like farming/farming lifestyle in her talk dialogue. That's the issue with writing another character, trying to respect the character and how they are written. Not to mention frostpupper is being written by other people right now and hellhound would be hard to move around. Not trying to be rude and I'm sorry but this breaks Clem's character.

Since you clearly didn't get it, I'll spell it out:
That reply about turning CoC2 into sheep farming simulator was a joke.

 

[Mrbark1234]

You go there and farm all day with your sheep wife and plow her by night

Were the welsh right all along? Is that the secret to male happiness is a woolly wife

 

[Frostman86]

Had some suspicions about Brint so i decided to check it out. Had my character transform into minotaur, and tested it alongside Elthara content. Despite both being minotaurs, first your character cannot be taller than Brint and second of all Elthara's alternative pregnancy content description only counts if Brint knocked her up. Doesn't matter if you got a minotaur character as well even if he's buff and virile as game allows it. So many characters seem have the "better than you" in their character sheet.

I had some suspicious to how far back this OC glazing has been ingame,so yeah, from the start, it just snowballed over time.
Honestly i at this point i just find it funny how hillariously petty the OC stuff is, the sheer effort put into subtly making the OC's better than player character on many things. Not that i need my character to excel in everything, but the effort put into "better than you" OC's is eyebrow rising and quite funny by now. And this is with game that allows for elaborate character creation and naming.

Very amusing not gonna lie.

 

[Jbuster]

Had some suspicions about Brint so i decided to check it out. Had my character transform into minotaur, and tested it alongside Elthara content. Despite both being minotaurs, first your character cannot be taller than Brint and second of all Elthara's alternative pregnancy content description only counts if Brint knocked her up. Doesn't matter if you got a minotaur character as well even if he's buff and virile as game allows it. So many characters seem have the "better than you" in their character sheet.

I had some suspicious to how far back this OC glazing has been ingame,so yeah, from the start, it just snowballed over time.
Honestly i at this point i just find it funny how hillariously petty the OC stuff is, the sheer effort put into subtly making the OC's better than player character on many things. Not that i need my character to excel in everything, but the effort put into "better than you" OC's is eyebrow rising and quite funny by now. And this is with game that allows for elaborate character creation and naming.

Very amusing not gonna lie.

Savin and co., are constantly rope walking between full ntr/cuckoldry and the sex positive yet creepy approach furries have to sex and relationships, because of that, he'll never go full netorare with the champion actually losing in a meaningful way any of their companions or love interests, instead, this will always be seen as some fun and sexy event that you're happy about even if this happens without your input, because remember, "this is not your history". Negative emotions are solely for certain plots and are never to be introduced as part of the non complex way your character reacts and relate to others, and when this happens, is usually by accident or because of spite for the player. Same thing with cuckoldry, it holds no weight at all. Everyone is or can a slut so there's no jealousy or even the pretense of monogamy (excluding certain characters locked out of the common sluttery due to what I imagine, is the risk of pushing out their paying costumers), instead is, once again, this weird sexual Olympics you're losing in key events despite being the most amazing and sexual creature ever, as they themselves describe

And because the character creation aspect is the main factor to play this game, their OCs are stuck with you, no matter what. The spite will always be there but they can't leave you out, after all, your character might only matters because the futa demon said so, but that's enough for the plot. No one is in only because it would be so great to spend your days there solving family dramas, fetching this and that or being assaulted in this new location full of booty warriors. All their OCs are only interesting because they get to be part of Kasyrra's big adventure with the champion, and even Kasyrra is another demon asshole doing demon stuff without the champion. So, it doesn't matter how much pettiness they put in their work, how much they might resent that their character by themselves are treated as unidimensional caricatures, as long as they want to keep that sweet patreon income, they'll have to include a vehicle for the same player base that wants to have their own adventure, not theirs

Well, I don't necessary hate Kasyrra. I'm more sympathetic to her as an individual as she wishes to regain her humanity and be in possession of a true family, more than likely with our character, which I don't oppose whatsoever. It's just Kasyrra drives a extremely hard bargain for me when her actions result in the torture/corruption of innocents when she underwent the same, if not worse treatment on her home-world. However, I do agree there are bigger fish to fry within CoC2.


I'm not sure if you played Superhuman, but Kasyrra does give me Ella vibes with her expectations of the MC.

Haven't played that one so skimmed through a wiki and got this about Ella being basically crazy and powerful and guiding the MC for her own needs that no one but she knows. If that's the case, then yeah, it fits Kass

Calise might be the best chance for Savin and co., to make people actually care about Kasyrra not only as the writer's explicit fetish, but as a character you'd like to help and know. It made sense for her to swing her dick and fuck that alraune because said alrauce was dying in the cold and mostly ignorant of the world, it made sense for the same to work with the wasps because they are from a small kingdom and mostly ignorant of what lies beyond the woods

Now for the third time it felt stupid because, isn't that city really close to Lumia and a lot of her Valkyries?, even if she was busy with that weird monster they are like, two-three steps away, and this place just collapsed I mean, her dick is magical and stuff but damn, why pretend that other places are safe from her?, she could sneak everywhere and fuck world leaders into submission and then have all the soul energy she desires. Let Tollus main the ship while she does the fucking, it ain't like the gods will try to save the day

It feels like the same world building issues from Harry Potter, overpowered wizard takes over the magical world in the same span of years the pixies from the fairy odd parents took over the magical world, only that one of them actually had a coherent, cohesive idea of what to do and the other was stupid all along, also, muggles never having a tool to deal with this people despite being the reason this very same people decided to hide and be stuck in a period drama, same people btw who can kill with one world and mind control others, and even taking that out, being able to push someone from far away, levitation and invisibility seem like pretty useful tools

And this bring me back to Kasyrra/Calise, I guess I'll need to see how they close things in Khor'minos, if she can truly reach a point at which her dungeon breeding mansion and the other bad things won't be an issue. No drama for the sake of drama, but real growth from her part

I have no funny meme to add, so

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[Walk Cycle]

This is mostly fallout from the Kalysea discussion, but I cannot believe a lot of you people are still invested in CoC2's story. I gave up on Savarra being a decent setting a long time ago when it became apparent that Savin was infected with the "D E E P E S T L O R E" bug and was more interested on writing about places and events that we will never see or even matter in game. For me this game is just a collection of smut of which only 5% I really like, 80% indifferent to, and 15% I despise.

 

[Deleted member 475691]

This is mostly fallout from the Kalysea discussion, but I cannot believe a lot of you people are still invested in CoC2's story.

There are gemstones hiding in the rough (maybe not diamonds but gems of some kind at least), ideas to be mined out of the salt mines, that we could dig out and polish up to make something more worthwhile for ourselves. There's also a lot of lessons in what not to do from a lot of different points of view, how not to be a project lead, how not to write wars, relationships, or protagonists, how not to DM, how not to interact with your players. I'm sure there's also a few ideas with less than wholesome intentions to be drilled out too, like how you can monetize half baked content by getting people to drop cash on commissioning it's continued development, or how to ride on the back of a single game mechanic that gives players the illusion of personal expression through character creation for an otherwise linear game that dictates your thoughts and feelings for you every other page of text.

Even after being soured on the game itself, if you're feeling creative in the moment, your mind might start to rewrite things to patch up holes in the narrative and isolate what it is about many of the characters that might be rubbing you the wrong way so those aspects can be excised and replaced with more appealing interactions and quirks. Some of them might be walking storm clouds of knee jerk negativity for you by this point, I personally struggle with appreciating a number of characters even with mental rewrites to make them more appealing to my exact tastes- all I can think of them as is a special snowflake OC, and I feel better just outright replacing them.

I can recognize that the game just isn't fun right now and the characters bother me more often than they charm me, even while still giving the setting and ideas enough thought to write out my own forbidden 'power fantasies' in which I get to femdom someone else for a change. Go full bratty mesugaki on Kass, call her a baka and stomp on her horse dick until she has a maso-orgasm and devolves into a demonic pay pig or something equally silly, save the day in the smuggest fashion. Actually win against some of the unbeatable OCs instead of being narrated into submission, the ones that usually wear plot armor and get written to be 'immediately and absolutely breathtakingly attractive to me and everyone around me' by very proud authors. Or maybe just have an actual lover that isn't tagging along or interacting with me just for access to Cait's prosti-priestess pussy, Brint's horsedick, or Arona's dom dicking sessions.

Everyone's mileage may vary on whether that makes me a selfish character assassinating bigot, or someone that likes to have fun when playing games, but it doesn't cost me anything to daydream, and I don't have to give Savin's gang a dime of support in order to write my own fanfics or learn from their mistakes, so it's not something I feel the need to give up on outright.

 

[GS21]

There are gemstones hiding in the rough (maybe not diamonds but gems of some kind at least), ideas to be mined out of the salt mines, that we could dig out and polish up to make something more worthwhile for ourselves. There's also a lot of lessons in what not to do from a lot of different points of view, how not to be a project lead, how not to write wars, relationships, or protagonists, how not to DM, how not to interact with your players. I'm sure there's also a few ideas with less than wholesome intentions to be drilled out too, like how you can monetize half baked content by getting people to drop cash on commissioning it's continued development, or how to ride on the back of a single game mechanic that gives players the illusion of personal expression through character creation for an otherwise linear game that dictates your thoughts and feelings for you every other page of text.

Even after being soured on the game itself, if you're feeling creative in the moment, your mind might start to rewrite things to patch up holes in the narrative and isolate what it is about many of the characters that might be rubbing you the wrong way so those aspects can be excised and replaced with more appealing interactions and quirks. Some of them might be walking storm clouds of knee jerk negativity for you by this point, I personally struggle with appreciating a number of characters even with mental rewrites to make them more appealing to my exact tastes- all I can think of them as is a special snowflake OC, and I feel better just outright replacing them.

I can recognize that the game just isn't fun right now and the characters bother me more often than they charm me, even while still giving the setting and ideas enough thought to write out my own forbidden 'power fantasies' in which I get to femdom someone else for a change. Go full bratty mesugaki on Kass, call her a baka and stomp on her horse dick until she has a maso-orgasm and devolves into a demonic pay pig or something equally silly, save the day in the smuggest fashion. Actually win against some of the unbeatable OCs instead of being narrated into submission, the ones that usually wear plot armor and get written to be 'immediately and absolutely breathtakingly attractive to me and everyone around me' by very proud authors. Or maybe just have an actual lover that isn't tagging along or interacting with me just for access to Cait's prosti-priestess pussy, Brint's horsedick, or Arona's dom dicking sessions.

Everyone's mileage may vary on whether that makes me a selfish character assassinating bigot, or someone that likes to have fun when playing games, but it doesn't cost me anything to daydream, and I don't have to give Savin's gang a dime of support in order to write my own fanfics or learn from their mistakes, so it's not something I feel the need to give up on outright.

No, it's not unfair to want to feel like the main character when you're supposed to be playing as one. And I don't see the issue in exploring the "dreaded power fantasy", since it's a singleplayer role playing game.
The devs just happened to fuck that concept up so bad with their self insert OCs running rampant that it gets incredibly annoying trying to mentally fill in holes or outright block out entire characters, so you're not alone in that belief. As a result what was initially an endeavor to fix the occasional typo has blown out into a full-on crusade of slowly rewriting the game. Taking matters into one's own hands if you will since I doubt anyone has any expectations left of Savin and his goons.

 

[Walk Cycle]

[I think the game still has some good bits and can be salvaged, so I read the story to think of better alternatives for the bad parts. This game can also be a lesson on what not to do in game development and handling a community]

That's understandable, but I can't imagine expending this effort with a porn game. I have reached a point where I only occasionally check this place and the changelogs to see if they have something interesting and just ignore the rest.

Spoiler: semi-related rambling

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[GoldenEyeDrake]

Haven't played that one so skimmed through a wiki and got this about Ella being basically crazy and powerful and guiding the MC for her own needs that no one but she knows. If that's the case, then yeah, it fits Kass

Calise might be the best chance for Savin and co., to make people actually care about Kasyrra not only as the writer's explicit fetish, but as a character you'd like to help and know. It made sense for her to swing her dick and fuck that alraune because said alrauce was dying in the cold and mostly ignorant of the world, it made sense for the same to work with the wasps because they are from a small kingdom and mostly ignorant of what lies beyond the woods

Now for the third time it felt stupid because, isn't that city really close to Lumia and a lot of her Valkyries?, even if she was busy with that weird monster they are like, two-three steps away, and this place just collapsed I mean, her dick is magical and stuff but damn, why pretend that other places are safe from her?, she could sneak everywhere and fuck world leaders into submission and then have all the soul energy she desires. Let Tollus main the ship while she does the fucking, it ain't like the gods will try to save the day

It feels like the same world building issues from Harry Potter, overpowered wizard takes over the magical world in the same span of years the pixies from the fairy odd parents took over the magical world, only that one of them actually had a coherent, cohesive idea of what to do and the other was stupid all along, also, muggles never having a tool to deal with this people despite being the reason this very same people decided to hide and be stuck in a period drama, same people btw who can kill with one world and mind control others, and even taking that out, being able to push someone from far away, levitation and invisibility seem like pretty useful tools

And this bring me back to Kasyrra/Calise, I guess I'll need to see how they close things in Khor'minos, if she can truly reach a point at which her dungeon breeding mansion and the other bad things won't be an issue. No drama for the sake of drama, but real growth from her part

I have no funny meme to add, so

Yea, Ella is similar to Kasyrra, but trust me, she is a far better written character, and I would highly recommend Superhuman. I would give you reasons as to why, but I don't want the moderators to take down my comment.
Anyway, back to Kasyrra/Calise, I honestly don't see Savin and Co reversing their poor handling of Calise by the time Khor'minos ends as they would have to admit they have failed with a significantly important character, and not just a random OC that's going to be abandoned soon. You would think the guilt would be strong enough alone, but CoC2 has been in development for almost a decade now and has failed how many times with prior OCs?
Yes, I remember Etheryn criticizing Lumia for her inaction with the Winter City/boreal elves, when you bring her to Light's Keep amongst your party. If I have remembered correctly, the boreal elves long ago denounced their faith in their old gods for Lumia's favor (for enhanced fertility/virility of their people??), so it's disappointing to say the least that Kasyrra was given free reign to commit close to a complete genocide of the boreal elves. In addition, this would basically undone the work of Lumia and set a bad precedent for followers of her faith, both future and current.
Savin and Co should've thought of a more legitimate reason for Kasyrra's plans. Even if she is powerful enough to go undetected and possibly challenge the gods 1v1, it still doesn't make sense for Lumia to have Etheryn and her people suffer for as long and painful as they did being so close to Lumia herself as you have mentioned.

This is mostly fallout from the Kalysea discussion, but I cannot believe a lot of you people are still invested in CoC2's story. I gave up on Savarra being a decent setting a long time ago when it became apparent that Savin was infected with the "D E E P E S T L O R E" bug and was more interested on writing about places and events that we will never see or even matter in game. For me this game is just a collection of smut of which only 5% I really like, 80% indifferent to, and 15% I despise.

I wouldn't say I'm invested anymore into CoC2. I only recently played CoC2 to refresh my memory as I haven't touched this game (bought through Steam) in 4 years. The many grievances I've encountered in these threads, since I've been on F95zone about Savin and Co's handling was/is somewhat depressing to witness. Only this past week did I decide to dive back into this project to be as open-minded and fair as possible. I won't lie and deny me skimming through some of the fat (It's a lot of fat), but I have a somewhat decent understanding of the game. At this point, I'm just waiting for the game to die already as I cannot pull the life support nor take over the project to salvage myself.

 

[icecreamman99]

Sorry to bug about this again, but it's still not working.

I dug up an old save just before the 'Feast For Heroes'

*Male MC*

(made sure to talk/sleep with Ylvid first)

-Went to the Feast, taking Arona [sub] along
-got Arona to talk to the King
-then the second option with them about working together

-finish Feast
-goto Kervus Camp with Arona [sub] in party - no changes
-leave her in the camp, come back - no changes

-If someone could give me a step-by-step for how to get through the Feast, & what to do afterwards to get the new Ylvid content, I'd be grateful.

saw your post, i'm just going to send you a save in like 1-2h

 

[MarvintheBee]

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Thoughts on Clementine marriage expac? What content would you all like to see?

Proposing on a beautifull sunset with a beautiful ring.
Bridal carrying to and from the altar.
Hot breeding sex to consummate the marriage.
Invite her family? If I remember correctly they are pretty far away but it would kinda cute if clementine could show them what she has made of herself

 

[MoneyMan181]

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Thoughts on Clementine marriage expac? What content would you all like to see?

Have us actually get closer to the character emotionally by going on dates and/or spending time with her instead of having another throw-away marriage to add to our Pokéharem.

 

[namelessone22]

saw your post, i'm just going to send you a save in like 1-2h

Much appreciated

 

[icecreamman99]

Much appreciated

 

[icecreamman99]

Have us actually get closer to the get character emotionally by going on dates and/or spending time with her instead of having another throw-away marriage to add to our Pokéharem.

I wish, I would love have a proper harem relationships and do what tits' Jim Thimric[?] and tell characters that their going to be a new addition.

 

[Biostar]

Thoughts on Clementine marriage expac? What content would you all like to see?

Have us actually get closer to the character emotionally by going on dates

Addendum: Actual dates, not what this team and Tobs thinks they are.

 

[oralboros]

Anyone have a new Steam Beta key?

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

Addendum: Actual dates, not what this team and Tobs thinks they are.

Yes, please dear God don't make them ten thousand page lore dumps. Make them actual romance building. Don't shove in random characters like have Cait show up to slut things up or our "bro" Brint coming over to cuck us. Keep the focus on the Champ and Clem. If I see Clem have a "threesome" with the focus on >You, I will honest to God throw up.

Have some damn progress please! Not just, "Wow that was a great first date, let's get married and have kids now!" I know we're probably not going to see a character like Orb Kiyoko again, but I'm on my hands and knees begging, GIVE ME A DEVELOPING ROMANCE THAT EVOLVES WITH TIME!

 

[procrastinator101]

Yes, please dear God don't make them ten thousand page lore dumps. Make them actual romance building. Don't shove in random characters like have Cait show up to slut things up or our "bro" Brint coming over to cuck us. Keep the focus on the Champ and Clem. If I see Clem have a "threesome" with the focus on >You, I will honest to God throw up.

Have some damn progress please! Not just, "Wow that was a great first date, let's get married and have kids now!" I know we're probably not going to see a character like Orb Kiyoko again, but I'm on my hands and knees begging, GIVE ME A DEVELOPING ROMANCE THAT EVOLVES WITH TIME!

Actual romance? Sorry bucko, we don't do that here. It's instant marriage or slut work, take it or leave it!