Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[GokutheG]

Hmm...

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From how he spoke on it, they kept kicking and reinviting him into the writers channel and finagling with his permissions. On top of a string of passive aggressive comments about his characters. When he quit he stated that his characters were open season for anybody who wanted to do anything with them.

Jeez the more background information you share the more obvious it becomes that the people in charge of these games haven't matured past highschool.

 

[Jstar18H]

I'm looking forward to Meridyx (Me-ride-dicks is a diabolical name) being a Follower, Jstar got me hyped asf.

Funnily enough, the inspiration was "Marry-dicks" or "Marry" for short.

 

[Jooj Cena]

Man, when did it get more fun complaining about the game on forums than playing the game?

 

[MarvintheBee]

Funnily enough, the inspiration was "Marry-dicks" or "Marry" for short.

Meridyx marriage when?
I will put on a ring on that imp and if I have to pull her infront of Sanders, idc.

 

[devilaffect]

-snip-

You quoted a unrelated post, so pardon my confusion. After multiple threads covering the whole Berwyn expansion, I was just fed up with trying to explain that Hugs broke the rules for maintaining a companion. So yes, I said that out of frustration. Could I have phrased it better? Yes. But at that point B was handling Berwyn, Hugs was no longer writing for the game, and no amount of asking the same question a thousand times was going to change that. By no means do I hate Hugs and I rather enjoyed his work, but I can't pretend that he didn't know what he was signing up for. I am perfectly fine with you taking umbrage with my behavior. I'm not going to hide it or pretend like I didn't say it. Hell, I'm pretty sure I was a lot more of an asshole on the old forums. But as long as nobody is able to produce Hugs' outline for Berwyn or something proving that B wasn't being truthful, I have to stand behind that sentiment that it just doesn't matter anymore. I was also somewhat pissed off because at the time it felt like Hugs was using his mental health struggles as a shield.

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I have repeatedly acknowledged that the vast majority of people affected by Tobs weren't the cause of his spite in the first place. I'm asking you to consider the fact this has been a back and forth issue. My absolute take is that Tobs is almost entirely in the wrong for starting the drama, but people are discounting just how much of an effect having a large group of people incessantly hating them can prolong it and cause it to fester. Yes, the devs have many, many faults. As do we all. It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

Yeah, the divinity shit, which I didn't even bring into the conversation, was weird and so was the therapy. But I also can't engage with people and point out where I think they are wrong if I ignore parts of their arguments. I literally got called out for ignoring parts of somebody's post when it was mostly insults. Also, I did start to actually have a productive conversation about what constitutes real, actionable criticism and how I would be happy to help people flesh their ideas out that got derailed.

I would disagree that the Will situation has no relevancy. If one of the main issues is how the devs are all pieces of shit, then I think us getting to the point to where we can at least agree on whether we have enough evidence to actually come to a conclusion for any individual instance is a worthwhile goal.

And yes, both sides are shitty. I have been falsely accused of being a bot and insulted regularly for disagreeing with some of the people here. So how should I be acting? Because I have acknowledged that the Bubs situation was at least more complicated that I realized and would like to see more. I am open to it being proven that B has been lying. I am open to it being proven that the devs as a whole have been abusive to Will and that the Balak screenshot isn't just a one-off of him being frustrated for this being a repeated issue. I have admitted that people who didn't deserve to be insulted were insulted by Tobs. So where does it end? At what point do I stop making concessions because from my point of view the only person who actually attempted to have a meaningful conversation was dolosolo.

Also, the argument that I'm not going after the devs doesn't make any sense. They aren't here and apparently haven't been here for awhile. How am I going to have a conversation with somebody who isn't here? I would however be perfectly open to discussing the merit of my issues with the games, even if I think they aren't quite as extreme as some of the others here.

 

[gz27]

Jesus Christ, I have been ignoring this game for a while because I was waiting for it to get more content, and I come back to just whatever the hell is going on in here.
Anyway, game any good now? Last time I checked it, it was just released so it was barebones

 

[cannon9009]

It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

I literally got called out for ignoring parts of somebody's post when it was mostly insults.

I have been falsely accused of being a bot and insulted regularly for disagreeing with some of the people here. So how should I be acting?

This reads like blatant whataboutism and I don't even know what the fuck is happening. Do you see where that might be an issue?

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Jesus Christ, I have been ignoring this game for a while because I was waiting for it to get more content, and I come back to just whatever the hell is going on in here.
Anyway, game any good now? Last time I checked it, it was just released so it was barebones

Kinda depends what you're looking for, if you want a pretty big collection of erotic fiction in a somewhat cohesive setting then it's not bad. It mostly caters to male/female, female/female and futa/any though so if you're looking for male/male stuff you'll probably be a bit let down.

If you're looking for something with engaging gameplay there's not much to speak of besides simple puzzles and very binary combat (you mostly get oneshot or oneshot them). If you're looking for a complete story then I think they're still under half way with that.

 

[gz27]

Kinda depends what you're looking for, if you want a pretty big collection of erotic fiction in a somewhat cohesive setting then it's not bad. It mostly caters to male/female, female/female and futa/any though so if you're looking for male/male stuff you'll probably be a bit let down.

If you're looking for something with engaging gameplay there's not much to speak of besides simple puzzles and very binary combat (you mostly get oneshot or oneshot them). If you're looking for a complete story then I think they're still under half way with that.

Hmmmm, lack of Male/Male is a bit disappointed tbh, but I'm kinda used to that these days. I guess I'll give it a spin, can live with just one shotting everything

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Jesus Christ, I have been ignoring this game for a while because I was waiting for it to get more content, and I come back to just whatever the hell is going on in here.
Anyway, game any good now? Last time I checked it, it was just released so it was barebones

Game certainly has more content than it had at the beginning. But I wouldn't call it a good game as a whole.
Better approach would be to dissect it into several chunks of content from different writers and engage them separately.

For example, if you don't like being raped/dominated by futas(chicks with dicks) - you'll have to avoid the third of entire character roster in this game. Because there's a whole lot of futas, and almost all of them follow the same exact archetype of mean, domineering asshole.

 

[cannon9009]

Game certainly has more content than it had at the beginning. But I wouldn't call it a good game as a whole.
Better approach would be to dissect it into several chunks of content from different writers and engage them separately.

For example, if you don't like being raped/dominated by futas(chicks with dicks) - you'll have to avoid the third of all characters in this game. Because there's a whole lot of futas, almost all of them follow the same exact archetype of mean, domineering asshole.

To be fair, if I could sexually dominate both males and females, I'd probably turn into a cocky asshole too. Thank god I can't do either... or I might never have seen what's going on in this thread right now!

 

[devilaffect]

This reads like blatant whataboutism and I don't even know what the fuck is happening. Do you see where that might be an issue?

I was directly called out for being bullheaded and combative despite remaining fairly level headed with the vast majority of the people here and only leveled insults to two people who very much insulted me first, which many more have and continue to do. Maybe three if you count HiredGun. Also, I've tried to be pretty clear how I feel about the devs and their relationship. Further expanding upon by clarifying where my stances are coming from and how I'm thinking about it is not whataboutism. This is a limited medium for discussion and I very much might not be expressing my opinions as accurately as I possibly could, but I'm hardly sitting down to write out my thesis and having it proofread, and externally coordinating with peers to make sure my points are coming across. Does that seem reasonable?

Also, what you are doing is much closer to whataboutism considering you had to cut out huge swathes of my response to present a counter-point that wasn't relevant to the conversation. Edit: Which I guess I kinda also just did.

 

[cannon9009]

I was directly called out for being bullheaded and combative despite remaining fairly level headed with the vast majority of the people here and only leveled insults to two people who very much insulted me first.

From what I've read, you started out the gate being bullheaded, against something that looked like a very clear joke.

Also, I've tried to be pretty clear how I feel about the devs and their relationship. Further expanding upon by clarifying where my stances are coming from and how I'm thinking about it is not whataboutism.

Turning the blame to the people shitting on them,

It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

is, you guessed it, whataboutism.

This is a limited medium for discussion

Limited by you starting out of the gate not being very easy to talk to.

and I very much might not be expressing my opinions as accurately as I possibly could

You think?

but I'm sitting down to write out my thesis and have it proofread with external coordination to make sure my points are coming across.

You should do more proofreading. And maybe something to take the edge off.

Also, what you are doing is much closer to whataboutism considering you had to cut out huge swathes of my response

No, calling out whataboutism isn't whataboutism. Who am I even pointing towards with that? Who are you seeing in that strange mind of yours that's being defended with that? The one guy you insulted like 100 posts ago that I don't even know about?

to present a counter-point that wasn't relevant to the conversation.

Yeah, almost like I literally stated in the post that I have zero clue what's happening, and that's why the whataboutism was pointed out, because of how easy it was to point it out despite having zero clue what's happening. Good job for pointing out that I'm jumping into the conversation completely blind, you get an A for effort.

 

[Vyran22]

I hope this dude is getting paid for all his yapping trying to stand in front of people who are, trying to deflect blame off of them by casting it upon faceless and nameless masses who "harass" them.... on the internet.


I'd hate to think he was doing it for free

 

[devilaffect]

From what I've read, you started out the gate being bullheaded, against something that looked like a very clear joke.

It started out with an outright lie that Will had project after project denied while he was a staff writer, which is just untrue. That does not seem like a joke to me.

Turning the blame to the people shitting on them,

Correcting actual inaccuracies, including my own that have been brought up is not shitting on people. I would never say them bringing the Bubble situation to my attention is me being shit on. Trying to point out holes in people's logic is not shitting on them. When I try to convince them to be more critical of a snippet of a conversation that obviously had some amount of lead up, may have been a progression of events, and may have been purposefully cut short without additional context is not me trying to shit on somebody. What I want is to put aside any preconceived notion that somebody is 100% good or bad when examining the evidence for what it is by identifying it's weaknesses and how it ties into other direct pieces of evidence.

is, you guessed it, whataboutism.

whataboutism, the

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practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.

I didn't make a counteraccusation, I didn't ask a question, and it's not a different issue all together. It's a clarification as to why I'm at least somewhat charitable to Tobs. Having large groups of people hate you for a long period isn't going to give you a reason to back down. Even when the minority is at fault.

Limited by you starting out of the gate not being very easy to talk to.

What do you think I could do better?

You should do more proofreading. And maybe something to take the edge off.

I'm far from screaming at my monitor. I would have walked away the first day if any of this was actually bothering me.

No, calling out whataboutism isn't whataboutism. Who am I even pointing towards with that? Who are you seeing in that strange mind of yours that's being defended with that? The one guy you insulted like 100 posts ago that I don't even know about?

It literally is if you use it to pivot away from every other point.

Yeah, almost like I literally stated in the post that I have zero clue what's happening, and that's why the whataboutism was pointed out, because of how easy it was to point it out despite having zero clue what's happening. Good job for pointing out that I'm jumping into the conversation completely blind, you get an A for effort.

You can't point out whataboutism if you don't know what the actual argument is...

 

[cannon9009]

It started out with an outright lie that Will had project after project denied while he was a staff writer, which is just untrue. That does not seem like a joke to me.

responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.

It's easy to sit here as a collective and feel vindicated that there's a group of likeminded individuals who feel slighted in the same way and shit all over them. But a group of faceless people coming at you is a lot scarier than any one writer just being an outright asshole.

I made the text bigger. I hope that helps you.

What do you think I could do better?

See reply 1 for an example of what not to do.

I'm far from screaming at my monitor. I would have walked away the first day if any of this was actually bothering me.

Walking away would have been way, way, waaaay better than digging a giant hole in front of us.

It literally is if you use it to pivot away from every other point.

You literally know the definition of whataboutism, what "point" am I pivoting from? And where am I going with it? And what am I saying that's raising an issue that I feel like is more important than anything else? All I did was say "This sounds like whataboutism", a completely random and offhand statement that I wanted to bring up because it seemed relevant. If that's somehow me pivoting from a point or issue that I'm not even paying attention to, I guess I've somehow been in this conversation longer than I thought. Whoops!

You can't point out whataboutism if you don't know what the actual argument is...

Uh, no, you definitely can. Considering the main whataboutism I'm hanging on to is more or less able to be sniffed out in a single sentence... It's always important to make your argument look good to people who are outside of the discussion!

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

YOOOO! Not going to lie I haven't had this much fun reading a thread, this is legit better than what's being put out barring some gem community writers (they know themselves ). From NPCs getting cooked to guest appearances from community Legends. This is too fun

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Damn, didn't expect the CoC2 drama Lore to run tht deep, its like they're stuck in highschool or something. Just always looking to one-up each other or needling the other in the mundane but stinging way tht hurts. 10 years of development and it seem Sav n Co have learned nothing on how to be professional.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

yet

Honestly, it'd probably be the one dickgirl/girl transformation I'd be down with. tho his character was lame to begin with.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

A lot of things have been outright abandoned over the years.


Hmm...
This doesn't work unless you're willing to hold both sides to the same standard. Stating, "Both sides have issues," and then proceeding to only label the issues of a single group while glossing over the issues provided by the other isn't arbitration. This isn't going to work.

Note that I'm going to be reposting lots of things we've already discussed in the past, including screenshots.

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He doesn't care.
This isn't a platform where a person weighs the sins of their soul against the writers of a furry porn game.

It moments like this that makes me love this dude. Gives his option, states facts when they're relevant. Drop Receipts like Bombs!