Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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arcader000

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Yeppers34 said:
I can respect the attempt to bridge the gap between here the the forum but I just don't think that's really possible anymore. Maybe that's just me being a cynic but I feel both here and there are pretty set in their ways.
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That's an understatement if I've ever seen it lmfao.
 
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dolosolo said:
do you talk with the devs like you do here ? are you their ambassador ? are you trying to be the f95 ambassador ? do you have any idea how fruitless it is to try to convince "shitty" people their animosty for "shitty" people is irrational ? i think you already said you enjoy a good debate so youre just gonna be here until youre tired ? same as the rest of us ? you might just be here for yourself man
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A handful of times and if at all possible, I think aiming to do both would be the most beneficial. I have even floated the idea of applying as a mod to have a little more pull with the devs. They've been pretty responsive to my ideas so far on the forums. And I do enjoy arguing, but I enjoy seeing something completed even more. And at the end of the day I don't think any person can say they are into anything without it being some degree for themselves.

dolosolo said:
rant rq, thematically the game is a far cry from early tits and coc1, we are all enjoying the longer scenes. but i dont find the new thematic tone to be as open to interpetation as coc1 and early tits. characters and even the pc, neeed to be percieved a certain way because reasons, and i dont like this stlyistic choice. it feels forced. and because someone cant pinpoint the precise technical reason that quality feels lower doesnt mean their opinion can be written off with no merit, it just means that person could use some help explaining themselves, which is what i think you should be doing, if you actually want to form a bridge
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And that is a fair argument if I'm understanding it correctly. In certain aspects such as the tone, I do prefer that there is actually a goal and it not just being open for any writer because I feel it can create a more cohesive product at the end of the day. That's not to say I think that you are in any way wrong to feel the way you do because it is in fact a far departure from the previous games. Would it be fair for me to say that I think it would make more sense to continue with what they have and see how it pans out at the end, rather than go back to what they have already done? To me, it makes more sense to continue with this path until the end then consider whether or not it was the right decision to make. If it's bad now, it would likely be worse for the game to have a massive shift in the middle of the second act. There's always a chance at another game and making changes to how it functions, but that doesn't happen when the arguments don't tend to be structured in any sort of way and the devs have to interpret for the poster.

As for the precision, I think that is the exact issue when it comes to most complaints. I'm am certainly willing to help somebody flesh out their thoughts if they need help, but on the flip-side people can't expect devs to figure out what somebody is trying to say because it was too vague. It would be like trying to describe a color when you don't even know what color it is.

dolosolo said:
this dude was so passionate with his opinions he got his own character and noone remembers what his points even were?(do they?) thats sad as hell. to say he deserved this degree of ridicule instead of a simple ban makes me wonder, do you like to teach people lessons ? is this excusion you putting the belt to ass ?
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That is a very fair point. I may have a bias towards fewer harsher punishments due to my upbringing. You only get spanked with a wicker rug beater a couple of times before you learn to think before you act. Thankfully, my kids are better behaved than I was so I've never had to go beyond taking things away. Also, he didn't really have points. He just kept demanding content that catered to him and was a dick when he was told he was going about it wrong. Again, a disproportionate response, but constant frustration of that behavior does build up over time and he just may have been the one to bare the brunt of it.
 
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devilaffect said:
but that doesn't mean they are outright abandoned.
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A lot of things have been outright abandoned over the years.

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Just so we're clear -snip-
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Hmm...
This doesn't work unless you're willing to hold both sides to the same standard. Stating, "Both sides have issues," and then proceeding to only label the issues of a single group while glossing over the issues provided by the other isn't arbitration. This isn't going to work.

Note that I'm going to be reposting lots of things we've already discussed in the past, including screenshots.

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devilaffect said:
His ass walked around like he owned the whole place and hopefully he has had a moment of introspection since then.
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He doesn't care.
This isn't a platform where a person weighs the sins of their soul against the writers of a furry porn game.
 
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devilaffect said:
A specific spite project, yes. With the context I have from my personal experiences with HiredGun I would say it was deserved. His ass walked around like he owned the whole place and hopefully he has had a moment of introspection since then. For the other projects, I would say I lean more towards their actions being understandable. Once again, these projects aren't written in a vacuum and there was always lead up to them being made. I don't think it's crazy to ask you to consider the fact that there is some level of nuance to this and that group think has played some degree in exacerbating a situation that probably could have been prevented by both sides being a bit more cognizant of what they're doing. People are a lot more likely to change for the better if you at least attempt to understand where they were coming from prior to breaking out the pitchforks and torches. At the end of the day you can't expect the other person to take the first step when you aren't willing to do the same.
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Alright, fellow, about that. Fucking everyone that isn't a part of Savin's little Discord server (possibly some of it as well, you never know) and somehow was made aware that that little quest was a spite project over some random guy on his comment section eons ago including said random guy found that fucking hilarious. In trying to own someone on their own expensive passion project, the people who came up with that shit just managed to blow time on something utterly pointless that represents well one of the gripes that people have with CoC 2, the shittiness of the lead.

Even with the context, it still comes off as Savin being a little bitch who couldn't take a fucking kindling of heat, blowing too much time on something that was essentially pointless the moment the target of it all just shrugged off and moved on. Why? Because that's what little bitches do.

In wrestling terms, they worked themselves into a shoot. In soccer terms, they tried to score an own goal and hit the bar instead. In bitch terms, they pulled a Savin.
 
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Alterism said:
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The screenshots you posted of Hugs prove absolutely nothing other than Hugs disagreed with how Berwyn was handled. He didn't prove that the quote was incorrect or altered in any sort of way. He should have easily been able to disprove what B said with a screenshot and didn't do so. So where is the proof that B lied? This leaves us with a direct quote, which Hugs didn't even attempt to actually refute in a he said she said where one side is understandably disgruntled and possibly has a bone to pick. I'm not going to just assume that B is a bad guy to fit your narrative with nothing to back it up. Just like I don't think Hugs is actually a bad person, but just reacted poorly in a moment of weakness. Is it possible? Yes, but only Hugs can prove that was how it went down and he didn't.

Him being gone for 8 months with no warning is by no means whatsoever okay, especially for a person who has done it before. The rules for writing companions are very clear about having to be active in the community. You don't always have to be writing specifically for your companion, but you do need to be reachable to some degree. I don't think it's crazy to expect you to at least attempt to learn the basics of the rules for companions before you levy accusations of the rules not being evenly applied.

Yeah, Balak looks like a dick right there and Savin should have stepped in earlier, but Will self admittedly just wasn't doing his job. If my work was incumbent on others completing theirs, I would be incredibly frustrated as well. You guys just seem to completely gloss over this like none of these people are human beings with faults. People get frustrated with coworkers all the time especially when something is a repeated issue. Most employers would have just fired Will outright and your screenshot just proves that they gave him at least two years to get his act together. It doesn't mean that they are beyond reproach, but they are far from evil for expecting people to do their work on time.

The first Bubble post looks like banter that may have gone too far more than anything and I would be interested to see what happened in the four hour gap. I would also say this is markedly different since they would assumedly have some sort of friendly working relationship and there's a stark contrast between that and random people who don't actually know any of them. We have no idea what their dynamics looked like outside of this and whether or not this is a repeated issue. If that's the case and it was genuinely bothering Bubble then this is problematic. Context is important and this one just doesn't have a whole lot. I would be interested to see if there was more of this floating around.

Franks literally wrote a character just to piss people off. I wouldn't take the word of somebody who wrote a xenophobic character to stir controversy at face value. Savin having a lot more creative control over what gets into his game likely contributed to any emnity between them.

I think the main problem here is a lot of the problems on the dev side happen behind closed doors so it's really hard to say whether these screenshots in particular are giving an accurate picture. Always be wary of singular cherry picked screenshots of chat logs where the main point is just to make a person look worse. The Balak screenshot is much better evidence as it proves that he was an asshole towards Will at some point, but not that it was a repeated incident. Especially so when it ends when Savin realized it was an issue and broke it up. And yeah, I'm defending the devs here because why would I defend you guys to yourselves. That would be weird. Overall I would mainly like to see more context and I hope other's will feel the same when looking at singular screenshots.
 
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Biostar said:
I don't fucking care! Have some actual maturity and don't dedicate time to spite people who had nothing to do with it. They are not victims, they're grown ass adults.
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It's hardly spiteful to ask people to reconsider their preconceived notions and how they take in information that they are presented when it's sparse and lacking context. I would also argue that you can't be the victim while slinging around insults on the internet. Doubly so when you say they are so repugnant and proceed to be just as bad as them.
 
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dolosolo said:
do you talk with the devs like you do here ? are you their ambassador ? are you trying to be the f95 ambassador ? do you have any idea how fruitless it is to try to convince "shitty" people their animosty for "shitty" people is irrational ? i think you already said you enjoy a good debate so youre just gonna be here until youre tired ? same as the rest of us ? you might just be here for yourself man
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so to answer you're question no he does not talk to the devs the same he talks to literally everyone else. Since he was so kind as to tell us his username on the forums I went ahead and looked him up.
1738025013208.png went back through ten pages all the way to 2017. he has never once called the devs shitty people or even disagreed with them on anything. he has done a lot of bootlicking over there though, I'm sure they apprieciate that.

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this one really caught my eye. seems relevent right about now.
 
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