Others Crisis Point: Extinction [v0.47] [Anon42]

[Anon42]

I got 2 questions.
Will there be cheats in the game?
Some examples would be God mode, enemy/boss spawner, gallery unlock without having to finish the game, and state selector (normal, slimy, big tits, horny etc..)
And is all npc/not enemy sex player choice, or will there be unskippable story related scenes?

The debug mode currently in the game that the guy below you pointed out is only there for the beta and will not be in the final game, BUT I do like the idea of having some fun cheat unlocks in the final game. I won't promise anything - and if I do add them, they'll be unlockables, not just like, a button you can press to unlock the gallery or anything - but fun ch eats are something I'll definitely keep in mind.

As far as story related scenes go, any scenes Alicia herself engages in will prooobably be up to player consent, but I can't guarantee that. All of them will be thematically consensual, though, even if there end up being some sex scenes you don't have a choice in.

I thought the decision to remove the rape element, in writing, was because people were asking patreon to crackdown on violent sexual artwork and the dev made it labeled as consent sex so that they didnt get sepensed randomly because the ToS or PP just changed and they did apply to them quick enough because they were working on content and not hawking Patreon's Updates Rules or their email.

It was a mixture of necessity and my own desires to change it. I've gone over it many times in this thread before, but the gist is that I always wanted to remove the rape, but did NOT intend to do it because I knew some people preferred it the way it was, and I didn't want to let people down. Originally I was just going to let CPE keep its rape, and then just never include rape in any of my future games. When Patreon's ToS changed to explicitly forbid noncon, though, I felt I had to change the game to avoid risking my livelihood - and it wasn't a particularly painful choice to make, because I already wanted to change it. That was all literally years ago, at this point, and unfortunately some people feel so strongly about it that they'd rather stalk this one game's development for years over it instead of playing the hundreds upon thousands of other porn platformer games that all have rape in them.

 

[Dropbare]

>I won't promise anything - and if I do add them, they'll be unlockables, not just like, a button you can press to unlock the gallery or anything

I don't know why so many developers refuse for players to have easy access to the gallery. It'd be a very easy thing to implement while having nothing to lose. Players just share a 100%/gallery save instead and suddenly any reason you have--if any--is void.

 

[Anon42]

>I won't promise anything - and if I do add them, they'll be unlockables, not just like, a button you can press to unlock the gallery or anything

I don't know why so many developers refuse for players to have easy access to the gallery. It'd be a very easy thing to implement while having nothing to lose. Players just share a 100%/gallery save instead and suddenly any reason you have--if any--is void.

Then share saves dude, lmfao. The hell kind of backwards, idiotic logic is this? I'm under no obligation whatsoever to add an "easy unlock" button because you don't want to play the game. Share saves if you don't want to play it, I really don't mind - I even fixed the issue that was preventing saves from being shared in this last update, so clearly I'm not trying to prevent that - but I'm not putting in MY time and effort to allow you to skip all of the work I put into making the game. What the hell is the point of even having unlockables if you're just going to add a big button to unlock them immediately? And even more importantly, what kind of message does that send to a new player about the quality of the game they're about to play, if there's a big "skip the entire game and just look at the porn" button?

You approach this from the perspective of someone who just wants to look at some porn, rather than a developer - and that's absolutely fine - but quit trying to act like you know for a fact that developers have no legitimate reasoning whatsoever and only refuse to add an instant-unlock to spite you. You clearly know nothing about the psychology of design if you think I have literally nothing to lose by adding a "skip the whole game" button.

 

[mrsearch]

Then share saves dude, lmfao. The hell kind of backwards, idiotic logic is this? I'm under no obligation whatsoever to add an "easy unlock" button because you don't want to play the game. Share saves if you don't want to play it, I really don't mind - I even fixed the issue that was preventing saves from being shared in this last update, so clearly I'm not trying to prevent that - but I'm not putting in MY time and effort to allow you to skip all of the work I put into making the game. What the hell is the point of even having unlockables if you're just going to add a big button to unlock them immediately? And even more importantly, what kind of message does that send to a new player about the quality of the game they're about to play, if there's a big "skip the entire game and just look at the porn" button?

You approach this from the perspective of someone who just wants to look at some porn, rather than a developer - and that's absolutely fine - but quit trying to act like you know for a fact that developers have no legitimate reasoning whatsoever and only refuse to add an instant-unlock to spite you. You clearly know nothing about the psychology of design if you think I have literally nothing to lose by adding a "skip the whole game" button.

Can already see the entitled incoming reply. Good work on the game so far mate. It's genuinely showing promise.

 

[Anon42]

Well hey, he decided to surprise us - instead of leaving an entitled reply, he left a 1 star review for the game in retaliation instead! Hope you feel like a big man now, Dropbare. Here's a genuine suggestion next time you want to talk to a developer: instead of immediately being rude and negative, try opening a dialogue instead. If you like the idea of a cheat or button to unlock the gallery in a game instead of having to download a save, pitch the idea and ask them if they've considered that, instead of jumping down their throats and ranting about how they have no legitimate reason not to. You're a lot more likely to get positive replies, and maybe even what you want, if you don't immediately jump to rudeness as your opening line.

 

[gemini20xx]

Well hey, he decided to surprise us - instead of leaving an entitled reply, he left a 1 star review for the game in retaliation instead! Hope you feel like a big man now, Dropbare. Here's a genuine suggestion next time you want to talk to a developer: instead of immediately being rude and negative, try opening a dialogue instead. If you like the idea of a cheat or button to unlock the gallery in a game instead of having to download a save, pitch the idea and ask them if they've considered that, instead of jumping down their throats and ranting about how they have no legitimate reason not to. You're a lot more likely to get positive replies, and maybe even what you want, if you don't immediately jump to rudeness as your opening line.

Yeah, pretty shitty way to voice an opinion about it, frankly. I personally don't like it when games have that hidden "click here to get everything" button since clearing the game to get it is essentially the point of getting it, but that's just me.

For anyone who just wants a quick unlock button, take this into account; the Devil May Cry series used to have a code to unlock everything in the game... now they sell it as DLC. That means there are actually people out there willing to buy a game, and then buy something that can unlock everything you can unlock just by playing the game, to make the game easier to play and is not to mention the reason to play the game in the first place.

Does that make sense, or does playing a game to unlock hidden extras and have fun doing it?

 

[Ark Darkfur]

I think some people just exist to be rude.

 

[Syokusyu]

*snip*
That means there are actually people out there willing to buy a game, and then buy something that can unlock everything you can unlock just by playing the game, to make the game easier to play and is not to mention the reason to play the game in the first place.

Does that make sense, or does playing a game to unlock hidden extras and have fun doing it?

I know the dev's stance on the big bad button and this is more of an "in general" thing, but I personally am in favor of a button/cheat like that in every game. Because I don't have the time to invest hours into every porn game I download, so having a quick(er) way to the lewds would be ideal. Which in most cases is cheats or downloading a save.
But that doesn't mean I don't play the game, it just means I can go at my own pace and still get my rocks off when time is short.

Making people pay for cheats is scummy as fuck.
Also, different people play games for different reasons, some people want to challenge themselves, and some just want to be a powerhouse and blaze through mobs effortlessly.
The same can be said about fun, letting people play the way they want to makes more sense than forcing them one way or another.

 

[Anon42]

I know the dev's stance on the big bad button and this is more of an "in general" thing, but I personally am in favor of a button/cheat like that in every game. Because I don't have the time to invest hours into every porn game I download, so having a quick(er) way to the lewds would be ideal. Which in most cases is cheats or downloading a save.
But that doesn't mean I don't play the game, it just means I can go at my own pace and still get my rocks off when time is short.

Making people pay for cheats is scummy as fuck.
Also, different people play games for different reasons, some people want to challenge themselves, and some just want to be a powerhouse and blaze through mobs effortlessly.
The same can be said about fun, letting people play the way they want to makes more sense than forcing them one way or another.

See, the thing is that I agree with almost all of this - the only thing I disagree with is wanting/expecting developers to add it themselves. Games are made to be fun, and I fully believe that people should play ANY game in whatever way makes it the most fun for them, with the only exception being of course that cheating in a multiplayer game is just a shitty thing to do. However, I ALSO believe that a developer is fully within their rights to design their game to be experienced however THEY want it to be, and it should not ever be expected of them to add in functions and cheats that break that intended experience.

If someone wants to play outside of the developer's rules, that's absolutely fine, and I even encourage it! But they have to put the work in, not get mad at the developer for not adding an easy mode or a skip cheat. It goes back to the psychology of it that I mentioned - using a cheat program or downloading a save is FULLY outside of the game itself, it's a detached experience that was clearly not intended. Having the game give you a blatant option to skip all the effort, though? That completely changes the player experience, even if they don't use it. If you've played some of the Mario games that give you the option to skip a level after dying a few times, how annoyed did you feel that it even gave you the option to do that? It's not the exact same as that, but the psychological effect is similar. Even if you unlock everything yourself, it feels like less of an accomplishment because there's a big ol' button that would've just done it for you, and if any of it was hard or annoying to unlock, you probably would have the thought "why am I bothering with this when I could just instantly unlock all of it" at some point during the experience. It's also highly likely to impact your opinion of the game negatively, as I mentioned earlier, since it doesn't exactly give the impression of "this is a high quality game, not just a porn gallery" if there's a button that instantly turns it into a porn gallery by letting you skip the game part, lol.

 

[Lasucrom]

See, the thing is that I agree with almost all of this - the only thing I disagree with is wanting/expecting developers to add it themselves. Games are made to be fun, and I fully believe that people should play ANY game in whatever way makes it the most fun for them, with the only exception being of course that cheating in a multiplayer game is just a shitty thing to do. However, I ALSO believe that a developer is fully within their rights to design their game to be experienced however THEY want it to be, and it should not ever be expected of them to add in functions and cheats that break that intended experience.

If someone wants to play outside of the developer's rules, that's absolutely fine, and I even encourage it! But they have to put the work in, not get mad at the developer for not adding an easy mode or a skip cheat. It goes back to the psychology of it that I mentioned - using a cheat program or downloading a save is FULLY outside of the game itself, it's a detached experience that was clearly not intended. Having the game give you a blatant option to skip all the effort, though? That completely changes the player experience, even if they don't use it. If you've played some of the Mario games that give you the option to skip a level after dying a few times, how annoyed did you feel that it even gave you the option to do that? It's not the exact same as that, but the psychological effect is similar. Even if you unlock everything yourself, it feels like less of an accomplishment because there's a big ol' button that would've just done it for you, and if any of it was hard or annoying to unlock, you probably would have the thought "why am I bothering with this when I could just instantly unlock all of it" at some point during the experience. It's also highly likely to impact your opinion of the game negatively, as I mentioned earlier, since it doesn't exactly give the impression of "this is a high quality game, not just a porn gallery" if there's a button that instantly turns it into a porn gallery by letting you skip the game part, lol.

Happy New Year Anon, hope all your team and you had a great holiday.
I really wish with all my heart, that in the next year you finally put some consensual pregnancy and birth in Crisis Point.

 

[gemini20xx]

Happy New Year Anon, hope all your team and you had a great holiday.
I really wish with all my heart, that in the next year you finally put some consensual pregnancy and birth in Crisis Point.

There already is... kind of, the edovex enemy's cg scene has it, just talk to that scientist guy you save who lets you bang/get banged by the enemies.

 

[Lasucrom]

There already is... kind of, the edovex enemy's cg scene has it, just talk to that scientist guy you save who lets you bang/get banged by the enemies.

Yes, i know, but it need more

 

[MrDefault]

Is this game going to trash bin? How can you make ryona game without a rape? Just asking about future content. I am not complaining.

 

[Anon42]

Is this game going to trash bin? How can you make ryona game without a rape? Just asking about future content. I am not complaining.

The simple answer to that question is that it's not a ryona game. It's a Metroidvania with sexual content, but not ryona, and not rape. The sexual content is weaved into the lore of the game world, and mostly given as a reward for progressing through the game rather than as a "punishment" for losing

 

[StrangerIn]

So I've been sort of passively watching this game through its development from LoK to here and tend to be pretty pleased with how it develops. I've certainly always liked playing the game as a game and taken enemy/game over CGs as a sort of consolation when I played 0.28, but I'm interested to check out the new mechanics that have been added since then. Good job so far to you and your team on refining your art style and keeping the gameplay and progression interesting so far. I still don't quite have the opportunity to become a supporter but this game is definitely on the short list when I do get the chance.

That being said and with all I've read about the changes elicited by patreon, are past versions still going to be available on the Patreon despite the ToS changes? Does the ToS only affect current development or would even having those past releases available some sort of breach of ToS? (And if so, is there actually *any* chance they'd enforce it?) I mostly ask since I'd love to get a copy of the 0.27H1 version at some point for posterity and comparison's sake, but if it's going to be removed before I can get to a point where I can support I'm curious if there are plans to make sure older versions are hosted somewhere else or if they're just going to be lost.

And this doesn't necessarily need to be directed at Anon42, if anyone who is a patron can say if they're still up that's probably a decent indication of the answer by itself.

 

[CrisspyFriess]

So I've been sort of passively watching this game through its development from LoK to here and tend to be pretty pleased with how it develops. I've certainly always liked playing the game as a game and taken enemy/game over CGs as a sort of consolation when I played 0.28, but I'm interested to check out the new mechanics that have been added since then. Good job so far to you and your team on refining your art style and keeping the gameplay and progression interesting so far. I still don't quite have the opportunity to become a supporter but this game is definitely on the short list when I do get the chance.

That being said and with all I've read about the changes elicited by patreon, are past versions still going to be available on the Patreon despite the ToS changes? Does the ToS only affect current development or would even having those past releases available some sort of breach of ToS? (And if so, is there actually *any* chance they'd enforce it?) I mostly ask since I'd love to get a copy of the 0.27H1 version at some point for posterity and comparison's sake, but if it's going to be removed before I can get to a point where I can support I'm curious if there are plans to make sure older versions are hosted somewhere else or if they're just going to be lost.

And this doesn't necessarily need to be directed at Anon42, if anyone who is a patron can say if they're still up that's probably a decent indication of the answer by itself.

There's going to be a good soul out there who will save all of us from our insanity if the old demos are gone, but thankfully people do upload on pornhub, and many other sites to use and that's a good thing, but some when abandoned gets lost entirely and its really difficult to find it, its like searching for a samsung phone in a stack of Iphones

 

[Anon42]

That being said and with all I've read about the changes elicited by patreon, are past versions still going to be available on the Patreon despite the ToS changes? Does the ToS only affect current development or would even having those past releases available some sort of breach of ToS? (And if so, is there actually *any* chance they'd enforce it?) I mostly ask since I'd love to get a copy of the 0.27H1 version at some point for posterity and comparison's sake, but if it's going to be removed before I can get to a point where I can support I'm curious if there are plans to make sure older versions are hosted somewhere else or if they're just going to be lost.

The old versions are still available on Patreon right now, but I won't hesitate to remove them if Patreon has any issues with it. That said, it's extremely easy to find a copy of v0.27h1 on the internet, and I have no interest in trying to remove pirated content as long as the person uploading them isn't profiting off of it.

As for the "No more Rape" topic you can't just define it by simple terms or a Female being sexually forced into mating without her consent, what do you mean by "Rape"? there's no more lewd scenes?

There's a lot of patreon content creators out there that has very brutal, hard on content for rape, some even has gore and somewhat disturbing with bulges and seeing them get pummeled down just for the sensation of being a Sadist.

Played the current version of the game (only tested it, not really used to a side scrolling metrovania like games, its a hard puzzle for me) if no more Rape by means of redoing all of the scenes and removing all the current scenes and replacing them with something that doesn't appear to be "Rape" then i don't think there will be any purpose for many to actually pledge, but rather people who are staying for the gameplay will.

Not sure why you think I "can't define it by simple terms", it's honestly as simple as it sounds. There's no more rape, and that's all. It's literally as simple as you described it yourself - "female (or male) being sexually forced into mating without their consent". That scenario does not happen in Crisis Point anymore. Sexual content is still in the game, and will never be removed, because Crisis Point is a porn game. We removed rape literally years ago, if we were going to suddenly remove all sexual content, or rework every single scene in the game, we would've done that by now. We've already made every change we plan to make in regards to making certain scenes less rape-y, that was all done a long time ago. Crisis Point has never had hardcore non-con like you described it - even back when it had "rape" it was all more dub-con than non-con, so all of the changes we had to make were very minor.

 

[KillEAK86]

For godsake stop complaining about it its just a game just be quiet and enjoy it rape or no rape the game is fine as it is and by the way she is doing it for Science and keep up the good work game dev =)

 

[CrisspyFriess]

Ooops, my post got deleted, said something bad (forgot what it was)

For godsake stop complaining about it its just a game just be quiet and enjoy it rape or no rape the game is fine as it is and by the way she is doing it for Science and keep up the good work game dev =)

It might not be me who you pointing out on people who complained but if i was i will say am really not complaining about the game and that it really is good its just that i had confusions between removing the "rape" from the game being the same as removing the intended "content" because sexual content, if by all means any character involved in any sexual activities, and its an action game, all the current lewd scenes on the latest demo that i've seen for me is all but rape content considering base on the dialogues made by the main character, all of which definitely sounds as if she didn't want to be caught, and was persuaded to mate, using the word "Forced" will surely sound like she was being raped but ofc instead of resisting till the end, she succumbed to it, leaning to the fact that she did wanted to do sexual activities with the said enemy or character that caught her on the Game Over sequence when she reaches her limit on being knocked down and teared upon of her apparel.

I'm sorry if i somehow disagree to Anon42 at some point because that's my point of view, i haven't literally seen that 0.27H1 version of the game from before your Team removed the "Rape".

And yes, my opinion conflicts, i'm like a 2 sided coin that definitely defeats the purpose of my own argument by doing it on my own Thank you verymuch to whoever reads this you are awesome.

 

[jaderde]

i hope you have plans making ending CG for the Bosses